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Jan 09, 09 - 05:19 pm Comment from: clinicaltechmaster

Android will lose.
Too many different phones = too many different user problems.

Jan 09, 09 - 05:21 pm Comment from: ron

Andoid - the Vista of Smart phones.

Jan 09, 09 - 05:34 pm Comment from: ron

ron - the Android who can't check his spelling.

Because Dvorak has always been dead nuts right about all his iPhone predictions...

I'd rather have the Pre than any Android device on the market right now.

In fact if I didn't already have an iPhone and wasn't looking forward to the 3rdGen with 32gb of flash, I'd probably be excited about the Pre. Then again no iPhone = no Pre.

Jan 09, 09 - 05:49 pm Comment from: stryfe137

i can't belive your using dvorak as a quote to prove your point. mdn show some measure of respect for palm. they did something special. whether they succeed or not time will tell. i'm an apple fanboy but you're taking this to a sickening level. apple should buy palm but they won't.

Jan 09, 09 - 06:11 pm Comment from: HMCIV

Palm loses their differentiation by switching to Android. They didn't do themselves any favors when they added Windows Mobile to their Treos.

Okay, I have to shoot myself now. I agree with Dvorak. :o

stryfe137,

What part of the following didn't you grasp?

"Maybe - maybe - Palm can displace one or more of the other iPhone knockoff artists. if so, more power to them - if they finally start treating Mac users like they exist again."

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/19672/

MacDailyNews Take: "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes?"

Why would a blind squirrel want to find John C Dorak??

Doesn't make sense at all!


John

Dvorak again? He is out of touch, I'm sorry. His comments are often meaningless, meant to incite and taunt, and he is an anachronism. Android will not be catching on. It is inferior. RIM and Palm will go under for good. The iPhone is the most "open" of any platform right now and more open is what the public and the market yearns for. Plus, no apps = no successful platform. iPhone apps are compiled Obj-C, run fast as can be, and there is nothing like it. Java phones are too doggy and Java is not a good development environment. 1995 called and they want their phones back Android, Palm and Blackberry/Crackberry. Boy, that Storm is something!

Jan 09, 09 - 06:24 pm Comment from: Jubei

"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes?"

Ahahaha yeah you got that right.

Jan 09, 09 - 06:43 pm Comment from: ericdano

The BEST move Palm could do is make it's OS open source, or at least license it for REAL cheap. That is the only why they will make it.

um... FIFY "Even a blind nut can find a squirrel sometimes."

Android will never equal Mac OS X on the iPhone, but Google doesn't need Android to survive. Android to Google is probably like AppleTV is to Apple – a hobby.

Palm NEEDS Pre to survive. And it won't be enough.

Blackberry stumbled with the Storm. (The Wave is a better unit.)
Palm shows signs of getting back in the race with the Pre.

If whoever the number two turns out to be also has exclusive or semi-exclusive carrier deals, it may get the carriers to innovate a bit more, too.

Jan 09, 09 - 07:25 pm Comment from: KingMel

Even a blind squirrel finds its own nuts sometimes...

Jan 09, 09 - 07:35 pm Comment from: jjjj

apple shouldn't buy palm, motorola should.

Nobody is mentioning it...so I will:

PATENTS. PATENTS. PATENTS.

Cupertino will surely be suing Palm/Rubenstein immediately upon the Pre's as-of-now vaporous launch.

Additionally, did y'all watch the Pre's launch video? How much more UN-intuitive can UI get????

the palm pre seems to be an amazing phone (though it is ugly) and even a blind squirrel can see that (mdn obviously not and is so out of touch on this one). the funny thing is though that it was developed by almost only former apple employees. so it seems that the palm pre is the living proof the steve jobs has successfully implanted a culture of excellence into apple as a whole thus contradicting all the pundits that apple is nothing without steve. if even former employees can push the boundaries outside of apple just look ahead what apple will do in the future (even withouth the man if he should one sad day not be among us anymore).

I know no one cares, but squirrels hide nuts. They use their sense of smell to find them again.

A blind squirrel would have a enhanced sense of smell and find more nuts than a sighted squirrel.

However, a blind squirrel would be eaten by a raptor or a mammal higher up the food chain long before it got to eat all those nuts it found.

Jan 09, 09 - 08:14 pm Comment from: Jubei

The Pre is being hyped way up for some reason. Its just another copy of the iPhone UI. The odd thing is, the phone itself is rather bland. It looks like an HTC. It's shorter. Its much fatter. Its also rather clunky with a slide out mechanical keyboard. Nice try but too late Palm.

Palm has had bad phones in recent years but I do hope this one does work

What Palm needs to do is license the OS to other smartphone hardware companies but become a major stake holder in those hardware companies. That will open them up to all the carriers everywhere Google will be. I see this as the only solution where they will not fail. A device is only as good as it's services and wireless carrier. In the US, Palm's selection of wireless provider Sprint is a really shaky gamble. Palm will need Verizon or AT&T;if they are going to survive to weather this economic storm.

"Palm’s Pre just another iPhone copycat"

Vera Dvorak said that?!

If Dvorak says Palm is going to fall then I better start buying some Palm stock!!!!!

Jan 10, 09 - 02:18 am Comment from: Zeke

@Al:

The quote originally spoke of a "blind HOG", not a "blind squirrel". It makes more sense that way, in a Deliverance sort of way.

Too many people think every new smartphone has to be a real iPhone killer or it will fail.

Not so.

The Palm Pre only has to come in third place to be a success. And the way the others are going, that's not an unreasonable expectation.

Rerality Check seems to almost always get things wrong, anyone else notice.

To say that 'Apple needs strong competition to innovate' has to be the most untrue statement I've heard in years.

Apple's iPod was born with no competition. It defined a product that didn't exist!

The iPhone was born of competition with who exactly? It also redefined mobile handheld telephony and computing before anyone had anything like it. THERE WAS NO COMPETITION!

Reality Check, think before you spout. Idiot.

Palm ought to be bought by RIM, if anyone.

Seems to me the Pre is a better copy of the iPhone than the Storm.

the pre excels the iphone in many respects: multitasking, copy & paste, internet-integration, search, camera. and is on par on almost anything else (maybe not the look of the hardware). this one seems to be BETTER than the iphone and this coming from the biggest apple-fan in germany. i hope by sommer with the iphone 3 apple has somthing up its sleeve to fight this.

@IONLYUSEOSX

"A device is only as good as it's services and wireless carrier. In the US, Palm's selection of wireless provider Sprint is a really shaky gamble. Palm will need Verizon or AT&T;if they are going to survive to weather this economic storm."

Er, your claim about needing an AT&T;is dubious.... AT&T;has just as bad a quality rating as Sprint in both Consumer Reports & JD Powers studies in all 6 regions of the country....

The GOOD news for Palm is, in spite of this, Sprint's 3G network has WAY more coverage than AT&T;'s, so their 3G services are more reliable....

I think Apple more than anyone needs to learn this.. "a phone is only as good as the network it's on"

I just dropped my iPhone (I use it as an expensive Touch now) & went back to Verizon... AT&T;'s network around NYC has gotten so bad that you get their exclusive robo-voice technology more often then you should, and their network engineers are so incompetent, that they can even keep calls from dropping on major interstates around the city!

It had gotten to the point where it was way too embarrassing to conduct business on my iPhone w/ the voice quality problems & dropped calls... I was actually waiting to get to a landline phone to make business calls! If someone would call me on my cell I would have to tell them that I would call them back in whatever # of minutes it would be before I got to a landline phone!

HEY APPLE - CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

MW=leave, as in "AT&T;is so horrible, that I have to leave'

Jan 10, 09 - 11:03 am Comment from: GizmoDan

Has Dvorak even touched a Pre? What a lot of hot air.

I'm not saying it will do well, but isn't this too early to know anything? Oh, I forgot. Dvorak doesn't need to know anything to speak.

If Dvorak is slamming the Pree, then it is probably a good phone and maybe Apple should take is seriously.

Hugh Jass

Boy are you right on. As much as i LOVE my iPhone, I am seriously tempted to ditch the phone for a better carrier and get an iPod touch. I hate to carry around multiple devices, but I need a phone that is going to work. Central Phoenix here (5th largest city in the US) and ask anybody. They'll all tell you the same thing. Dropped calls is the iPhone's most prominent feature.

Funny how MDN thinks Dvorak is right this time. Everybody else praises Pre. BB Storm is awful, but Palm's wonder phone seems to be quite good.

Jan 10, 09 - 04:07 pm Comment from: Crabs

So did anyone else hear that Verizon bought Alltel? Not exactly on topic, but interesting nonetheless...

Jan 10, 09 - 11:33 pm Comment from: shen

"Reality Check seems to almost always get things wrong, anyone else notice."

That is Dvorak's MDN name.... didn't you know?

@ Hugh Jass

Hugh I feel your pain. I would experience dropped calls in Boston on a daily basis using AT&T;and my iPhone. Mostly when driving in the city. The reception has gotten a lot better there over the last few years but there are still a lot of dead spots in my opinion. I have noticed a huge difference in reception quality after moving out to CA living in the bay area. Much different experience using the AT&T;service.

As for Sprint and the Palm Pre, I was not faulting Sprint for weak reception or poor customer service. I am more concerned about the financial status of that organization. They have been losing sizable revenue and wireless customers and are bogged down with $18 billion in debt. On the positive side they have spent a lot building out their network over the last few years and they appear to be picking up more data customers. I do hope they make it because the more competition in the market place the better for consumers. The Palm Pre has a good chance to kick start Sprint's customer base. If I were Palm though, I would have tried for Verizon or AT&T;or multiple carriers first and it is possible they did in fact try that route before going to Sprint. Just like Apple supposedly tried for Verizon first but could not make a deal with them.

Best of luck to Palm. The company has been in a coma for a while especially when they made the deal offering Windows Mobile powered smart phones. Hopefully Jon Rubinstein is helping Palm wake up from that coma.

How is a slide out keyboard a copy of the iphone? Or a web based OS? Or multiple apps running at the same time? Or a touch area that extends beyond the screen? Or a flash for its THREE megapixel camera? I feel that palm looked at the iphone and innovated to make something better. My Treo 650P was a touchscreen....does that mean the iPhone copied that?