“The hype over the unreleased iPhone has actually increased over the past month despite the fact that nobody has seen or used the device. This, if nothing else, proves the power of branding and especially the power of brand loyalty,” John C. Dvorak blathers for MarketWatch.
“It’s the loyalists who keep promoting this device as if it is going to be anything other than another phone is a crowded market. And it’s exactly the crowded market aspect of this which analysts seem to be ignoring,” the bloated gasbag vents.
The blowhard babbles, “The problem here is that while Apple can play the fashion game as well as any company, there is no evidence that they can play it fast enough. These phones go in an out of style so fast that unless Apple has half a dozen variants in the pipeline, its phone, even if immediately successful, will be passé within 3 months.”
“What Apple risks here is its reputation as a hot company that can do no wrong. If it’s smart it will call the iPhone a ‘reference design’ and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else’s marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures,” the admitted hit whore prattles.
The Round Mound of Unsound expounds, “It should do that immediately before it’s too late. Samsung might be a candidate. Otherwise I’d advise people to cover their eyes. You are not going to like what you’ll see.”
Full article – Think Before You Click™ – here.
MacDailyNews Take: Whatever, John. Have you no shame? MarketWatch should pull the plug on John C. Dvorak if they value their integrity.
Obviously, to everyone but Dvorak, Apple’s iPhone is a blank slate that is extremely malleable; Apple can change the software, and hence the device already in people’s hands, at will. So much for it becoming passé.
Dvorak admits to baiting Apple Mac users for hits:
Direct link to YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAWDYaWAVQQ
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Readers too numerous to mention for the heads up.]
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MDN, Don’t feed th trolls. if you don’t post it, readers won’t feel compelled to follow the link. You get enough hits without Dvorak’s bullsh*t.
AH! Wrong Again! iPhone is wireless!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, my… ha ha ha ha ha. I can’t…. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…. what a dipshit.
Dvorak is a troll, forget his article, forget him. Someone should just flush him
Clearly a troll.
All the phone bosses have said they expect smart phone demand to explode over the next few years.
And phone design? Look how long it takes for new versions of the RAZR to emerge, and they still look the same as they did 3 years ago.
“This, if nothing else, proves the power of branding and especially the power of brand loyalty,”
or it proves bloggers and analysyts cant shutup about it hmmmm, taking the easy option to get site hits, such as this very article
Those that can do.
Those that can’t become analysts.
Those that can’t even analyze become fat trolls.
@ Thurman
I agree.
How many others agree?
Maybe MDN will pay attention.
I believe if Samsung sold the iPhone it would not be nearly as successful as Apple.
Just to add through my tears/laughter:
I don’t think anyone is exactly ready for what iPhone portends to be. This is a small computer with a great deal of possibility. It is also very easy to use– easy in the sense that when you use this sort of thing, you want to keep using it.
Holy shit is iPhone gonna’ clean up. I don’t mean to be vulgar, but it just hit me that this is going to be very big. I’ve been on the fence for a while, but no more. iPhone is a new platform and it’s going to clean house.
Ballmer is going to squirt a brick. Pass the Xbox-lax. It’s going to hurt.
Someone should just stick a lit cigarette in his eye.
mw: “money”
as in: Microsoft is losing money on its endeavors in smartphones, while Apple will make a lot of money off iPhone.
Dvorak – take out the VA, (he should attend the psych ward at the VA), and you have D-O-R-K.
So Dvorak’s reasoning that cell phones go in and out of style in a few months time is solid. But Apple is the kind of company that can change the way markets work. For example, the iPod and the iTunes store have both done this. Is it too far fetched to think that Apple can do change the cell phone market in a similar way?
The same logic that applies to licensing OS X applies here. While apple could probably make a bundle of cash licensing the touch screen interface, without tight integration between hardware and software, the whole thing will spiral downwards into mediocrity.
On the other hand, Apple is going to have a hard time keeping up with new generations of air interfaces as they roll out. I suspect the reason the iPhone is 2.5G is that the chipsets are sufficiently commodized that they can be integrated by any device manufacturer. Until the same is true of 3G and 4G, not to mention WiMax and whatever the whitespace standard turns out to be )(802.22?), Apple will be playing catch up in that regard.
Thank GOD Dvorak came out against the iPhone! Can you imagine the bad Karma if he’d actually liked it? If he said “iPhone is Sooper!” then that would be the death-knell. Who’s going to iCal this article and bring it up next year when Apple is still having trouble meeting demand for the iPhone?
He’s still missing the point, the iPhone isn’t the RAZR of the day!! The entire iPhone UI can change with SOFTWARE updates. To keep up with whatever someone else comes up with, they just release a free download with new features.
Sorry John I don’t think so. 1 million AT&T customers are already asking about it before its even released so making up FUD about how it won’t sell is non-sense.
I know its the cool thing to do to ridicule Dvorak, and while its true Dvorak tends to put a negative slant on almost everything Apple does, he does have a pretty good feel for the pulse of the tech industry. He may say things we don’t want to hear, but he brings up valid points from time to time.
The only bad publicity, is no publicity.
The Round Mound of Unsound expounds…
Pure genius!
Who in the hell is behind MDN?! Inquiring minds want to know.
He really is good at pushing flawed logic down people’s throats, isn’t he?
They called him a “hit whore.”
HA!
He’s looking for hits again. Sad really.
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if he turned out to be right!
dvorass knows what he is writing is false…it is on purpose…anyone with a functional synapse–even him–realizes iPHONE will succeed.
ONE THING I DON’T UNDERSTAND IS WHY DO MDN EVEN GIVE THE LINK????
FORGET THE THINK BEFORE YOU CLICK THING, JUST DON’T GIVE A LINK ALTOGTHER.
These phones go in an out of style so fast that unless Apple has half a dozen variants in the pipeline, its phone, even if immediately successful, will be passé within 3 months.”
Razor, Razor, Razor. Even though alot of people admit they’re crap Moto just keeps on selling them and there are only a couple of versions and they are basically the same.
iphone will go nuts I just hope makes enough of them so that there is no waiting list.
the bloated gasbag vents
This should be the title for all this clown’s articles. Don’t click the link! It just helps this clown out.
People upgrade their phones so often because phones are shitty and they often get them free with their contracts. If someone launched something people liked then they’d likely stick to it.
Digg this article!
http://digg.com/apple/The_Round_Mound_of_Unsound_John_Dvorak_unleashes_Apple_iPhone_troll
When will the universe pull the plug on Dvorak?
A new one.
DCOTP=don’t click on the prick!™
Besides, he doesn’t understand that people won’t be changing phones every three months anymore.
The problem with trying to refute idiots like Dvorak and Thurrott is that should their negative opinion about a product turn out to be true, they’ll say see, I told you so. If the product turns out to be a success, they’ll say, or at least think, is that buyers are deluded. There really is no point worrying about, or responding to, these people. You’re not going to change their opinion by responding on their web sites, and you’re “preaching to the choir” on this site. As such, why waste time and energy discussing negative forecasts?
MDN!
Why do you play HIS game. He admits he’s just out to goad the Mac community.
He doesn’t believe anything he says, and he ADMITS IT, for crying out loud!
Why do you give him a platform!
john,
you write:- “Sorry John I don’t think so”
Why do you take him seriously? He admits himself he’s not serious.
We know he’s writing rubbish and he knows it too.
It’s the posters who react who are the suckers, not Dvorak.
“These phones go in an out of style so fast that unless Apple has half a dozen variants in the pipeline, its phone, even if immediately successful, will be passé within 3 months.”
the iPhone runs a variant of Mac OS X. EVER HEARD OF SOFTWARE UPDATES, DVORAK?
retard.
Dvorak may be a blow hard, but he’s accidentally hit on the one thing that’s giving Apple a huge edge over the competition. He, and the cell phone makers, think that the iPhone is about style. It has style, but it’s really about function. When they get around to realizing that, they’ll think that function equals features. When they see that matching the iPhone feature for feature doesn’t help them, they may finally realize that the user experience determines the value of function.
More likely, they’ll blame it on Apple’s ‘zealous’ fan base while they scratch their heads wondering what they can do about it. Just like with the iPod, they’ll be baffled when iPhone users outnumber Mac users, but they still won’t understand what Apple’s real advantage is.
They’re so used to selling shoddy products that they just can’t recognize quality when they see it. Quality from the hardware through the softare, is why Apple can sell ‘similar’ products at higher prices, and people will gladly come back for more, but these guys just refuse to see it. That is Apple’s biggest advantage.
dear john, don’t hate the player… hate the game.
“Hit Whore”
I like it!
Somebody should update his Wikipedia entry and update it with this new name.
To the “Just Ignore Him and He’ll Go Away” crowd:
To use an extreme example: they tried that with Hitler. It didn’t work.
Dvorak already has a platform: MarketWatch, PC Mag, and others.
What MDN is doing is right. Shine a spotlight on him and others like him.
If you’re angry, you should be angry at MarketWatch and others that employ Dvorak for his slimy tactics.
Write to MarketWatch and complain: http://www.marketwatch.com/support/feedback.asp
I’m sure he also pontificates that the zenzui plug should also be pulled.
Dvorak is priceless.
He provides excellent entertainment, those that take him too seriously, need to loosen up a little.
He is an entertainer, he ranges from mildly amusing to downright hilarious.
We need more people like him!
Go Johnny Go. Johnny B Good!!
“pass it to some suckers to build with someone else’s marketing budget”.
That’s part of the point, Apple will subcontract manufacture but Apple doesn’t need no marketing budget, those dollars go into designing better kit and Steve does the marketing, someone estimated a $400 million value already.
On the other hand Microsoft allocated $500 million to the launch of Vista. They’re offering discounts already according to El Reg http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/03/28/ms_vista_shipments_claims/
Holy crap did someone compare Dvorak to Hitler?!! That was awesome.
not clicking
MarketWatch et al should pull the plug on Dvorak.
Kinda amazing that any serious publication would have anything to do with this kook…
Journo,
sorry mate, I think you’re being just plain silly. The comparison with Hitler isn’t just extreme, it’s absurd.
If you take time to look at the video, he admits to saying one thing and then the opposite, just to goad the Mac community, and people like you and MDN fall into his trap, despite the fact that he says he is setting one. Pretty dumb.
We don’t believe that he’ll go away if MDN ignores him. If MDN ignores him, he just won’t be there. For me anyway. Because I’m confronted with him HERE and very seldom on the other sites I visit.
this guys repeat performance is really boring.
If you’re angry, you should be angry at MarketWatch and others that employ Dvorak for his slimy tactics.
Are there any advertisers on his page? I’m not giving him a hit just to see.
If there are, will someone please post & name them here? I for one will make a point not to even consider those vendors. Some nasty emails would be in order too…
My email to newsroom@marketwatch.com
I read articles in MarketWatch fairly regularly and have had a high regard of what I read here. Until today.
I don’t claim to know a lot about most subjects I read about here so I take what I read as information I can trust. But today I see you have posted an article from John Dvorak about his opinions on Apple’s iPhone. Now, no one but Apple knows much about the iPhone, but what Dvorak is saying isn’t about details of the iPhone but rather how he feels it will perform in the marketplace. I don’t know much about that either. But what I DO know is that Dvorak will say anything that will fire up the Mac faithful for the sole purpose of getting hits on his web site. And yours too it would seem. What he says doesn’t have to make any sense or be logical or be insightful. It just has to stir up emotions to get people to click his link so he can sustain his advertising revenue. If you think I’m wrong here then all you have to do is visit this link and hear him say it for himself.
This email isn’t to criticize Dvorak for trying to make a living although his technique is morally questionable. It is to criticize YOU, for giving someone a platform for their own agenda without regard to the truthfulness of what is being written. Even Dvorak doesn’t believe what he says. He makes stuff up. He says so himself. You say that MarketWatch is “…a leading provider of business news, financial information and analytical tools.” Shame on you for allowing someone to use your commentary space to troll for hits.
And now, here is a question (that will not be answered). Since we know (from his own mouth) that Dvorak makes up stuff to get hits, and you guys give him space to do so, just how many OTHER writers do you employ that do exactly the same? I don’t know the answer to this, so the best bet is for me to take what I read in MarketWatch with a big, big grain of salt. I think I’ll be reluctant to come here to read in the future, and if I do I probably won’t believe it.
Richard
Winston-Salem, North Carolina
and moreover …. MDN writes :-
“MarketWatch should pull the plug on John C. Dvorak if they value their integrity.”
Has nobody noticed how absurd that sentence is. MDN is advising other people to do exactly what MDN doesn’t do itself:
PULL THE PLUG ON HIM YOURSELF MDN and value your own integrity!
How can anyone take John Dvorak seriously when this is the same “man” who when the first Mac came out “contrasted the Mac with the new version of IBM’s computer, the AT (now long forgotten), and called the latter “a man’s computer designed by men for men” (quote from Steven Levy’s book Insanely Great)!!!
What a dunce, dunce, dunce…how could he possibly have anything valuable to say about the iPhone!!!
Well that’s just great. MarketWatch newsroom seems to be closed for the day. Either that or that pesky Windows email server is acting up again. Just got this in mail:
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients failed.
NewsRoom@marketwatch.com
Reporting-MTA: dns;NYCE2KMB01.win.dowjones.net
Received-From-MTA: dns;SECE2KFE01.win.dowjones.net
Arrival-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:03:11 -0400
Final-Recipient: rfc822;NewsRoom@marketwatch.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.2.2
X-Display-Name: Newsroom
DON’T CLICK THE LINK TO HIS PAGE!!
. …we can start ignoring this prick anytime now.
Like the wino downtown smelling of urine John C. Dvorak is an embarassment to the society he lives in.
Marketwatch shows ignorance by keeping such a dilettante writing for them. He’s more suited for an “Enquirer” type news organization.
I’m not in the ranks of “Protectors of Apple”, but this guy is WRONG for Marketwatch.
Consider someone from the ranks of InfoWorld or ComputerWorld, someone who would be an asset to Marketwatch, not just an ass. (submitted to marketwatch.com)
” will be passé within 3 months”
Like the RAZR. Oh, wait a second….
@Toby
Yes I wholeheartedly agree. MDN, lets have a moratorium on this idiot. If the Apple community stop reading his nonsense he will find his hits drop off and his column may be dropped. Hallelujah…
> The hype over the unreleased iPhone has actually increased over the past month
That’s right JD. Now you’re saying, because Apple has been getting amazingly positive (mostly) FREE advertising worth millions of dollars, that’s actually a bad thing. Because people (not just he media) are talking about iPhone too much, that’s a bad thing. Even the few negative-spin articles are more free ads for iPhone, because everyone knows your game by now. So keep up the good work, JD. When your gig is up, maybe you can get a new job in Backwards World, where white is black and good is bad.
He hears that 1 million people inquired about the iPhone. His pudgy fingers couldn’t help typing an invitation.
Leave him alone.
thanks for clicking mofos! I live in a basement and don’t get out much. I think Leo Laporte is going to drop me, but he’s such a nice guy.
Tell us what you REALLY think about D-Whore-ak.
MDN is doing us all a favor by telling us what’s going through his evil little mind without our having to check it out ourselves- one click instead of thousands on his pathetic little site.
Dvorak’s got his enlarged head so far up his arse he thinks the world is Zune brown…
That notwithstanding,
If brand loyalty is such an important thing, why has the Zune been such a colossal disaster? Could 300 million+ Windows users possibly be so disloyal to Micro$oftopoly that they chose the iPod over ‘Played Fer Sure’ devices, the Zune, the Wii and the PS3?
If the Apple brand is so strong, how is it that only a little over 20 million people are using Mac OS X computers 6 years after the fact?
Exactly what I thought. The argument, like the author is bogus.
Come on people. How many of us are complete idiots and click on the link….even when there is a warning beside it. Has anyone here done it? I suspect the number is extremely low.
Personally I love reading MDN’s take on him. Its a great humor piece and I hope they keep posting him. He is an idiot and if anyone believes him, well they are probably mentally challenged and own a PC as their only computer.
Go John go. I am sure you can come up with an article even stupider than this one. I look forward to reading it.
BFD.
The sad part is that MDN keeps reporting what this luzer sez.
I thought Mac users were smart, but some of you obviously can’t tell the difference between publishing an idiot’s troll bait and critiquing/condeming it.
For the truly dense:
1. MarketWatch diminishes their credibility by publishing the idiot Dvorak.
2. MacDailyNews correctly calls him on his idiocy – as any good blog should.
You idiots must be recent switchers or you’re sixth graders.
I work for MarketWatch and have posted here before. I will not reveal my name (for many reasons). I am a Mac Zealot and only work on Macs, and have done so since 1987 (Mac II – desktop publishing). I use windoze for testing purposes only.
Anyway, my main point for posting here is to let MDN readers know that even people inside MarketWatch – including myself of course – think JCD is a complete has-been hack-of-a-writer who lacks common sense and integrity. He is pathetic. I am seriously embarrassed when I tell people I work for Dow Jones/MarketWatch and they bring up JCD.
He’s a hack trolling for hits. That’s it. Give him what he wants and his employment at MarketWatch will continue. Stop giving him what he wants and, in order to keep generating the hits needed for ad views, he will have no choice but to modify his tactic. If you want him to stop his juvenile ramblings of absolute nothingness, save for baiting people to write him saying as much, than be the bigger person (not physically though… eyouch!) and stop playing right into his hands.
And yes, MDN, this also means you. What benefit is it to you and your readers to report on his diarrhea-of-the-mouth? Is it that your ad revenues increase and you love to see all the comments? If this is true then you, MDN, are no better than JCD. If I am incorrect in this assumption then I humbly submit my apology. But if I am right, then shame on you MDN, and I will ask you to kindly cease and desist posting on his ramblings here. And, by doing so, I will then click on your ads as often as I can to help pay your bills, as I am sure many others will as well.
———————–
My MDN Word: reported. (No I am not making it up!)
As in: JCD has continually reported his own ramblings, which, when Mac related, are never based on fact, only his perverted sense of popularity and smugness.
Huge flaw in his logic here. He says phones go in and out of style so fast that Apple can’t keep up. That is absolutely untrue. The RAZR has been the most popular phone for like 3 years now. Sorry, but Apple can keep up with a market where the most popular style has been consistent for 3 years.
I most definitely do think before I click (another words, I don’t click on links to his ilk).
But this was worth reading just for the wonderful and relentless insults heaped upon his deserving head. Even though it will just fuel the fire – then again, fools pay no attention to their folly anyway. *sigh*
“…there is no evidence that they can play it fast enough.”
Just like there was no evidence that anyone would ever want to use a mouse, eh NutSack?
This guy WANTS you to hate him. He WANTS to be wrong. And he’s setting himself up to be the wrongest he’s ever been, because he knows as well as we do what the iPhone will become.
So good on ya, mate! Give me a call in June from your new iPhone. I KNOW you’ll have one.
-c
@ Embarrassed MarketWatch Employee
(If that’s your REAL name..)
Thanks for the insight. Can’t say it’s news to me, but nice to have the validation. I’d like to defend MDN, however, since they report on this story, I don’t have to click through and read it, playing into John’s game as you say. And sometimes (like today) they’re just damn funny.
If John didn’t think the iPhone was going to be huge, he would not write a word about it. He’s parroted every gripe that every Windows Shit-Seller has come up with, and ham-handedly to boot. This very article should be proof enough that the mobile industry is about to be turned on its head and kicked in its ass. They know this, though they’re putting on a brave face.
Onward and upward, folks. The future arrives very, very soon.
-c
Dvorak is not a cork soaker or a cack sacker or a cick sicker.
Dvorak is the Real McCoy.
Bats in the belfry ! What a ding dong!
Dvorak is an assclown!
If this fat pig had a clue? When Steve Job (who makes a few more dollars) then the tubby Dvorak Assclown stated at MacWorld that the user interface is fully updatable, the buttons or entire interface can be changed to suit any new products in the future.
Will Apple make second, third and forth generations, ofcouse just like the ipod. Each generation will build on the last. Why is this so difficult to understand?
But of course in July Dvorak the Assclown will change his view and say that the iphone is the best thing since the jelly doughnut with sprinkles.
Dvorak you’re a total moron, but then again you already knew that you fat slob!
Hey MDN, why do you guys even give this clown a forum? Just ignore him and his stupidity!
Who cares what Dvorak says? If he had any talent, he’d have a real job.
“I know its the cool thing to do to ridicule Dvorak, and while its true Dvorak tends to put a negative slant on almost everything Apple does, he does have a pretty good feel for the pulse of the tech industry. He may say things we don’t want to hear, but he brings up valid points from time to time.”
really?
“The new Apple computer also comes with an experimental pointing device called a mouse. There is no evidence that people will want to use these things.”
guess what ‘pulse of the industry’ guy said that…..
magic word, island. no man is an island, but Dvorak sounds like he has been alone on one for 4 decades….
There’s a lot of misquotes from so-called analysts, tech experts, and reporters. I’ve heard MarketWatch make sweeping statements about Apple. Still I’ve seen a big change in their tone in the last few years. Some crap still comes out but after what Apple have done since the iMac / iPod / OSX, only a complete idiot would bet against them.
With regards to the iPhone, this is truly the start of the next generation of iPods. With an OS X base to the unit anything is possible. The mobile SOCs will become faster, smaller and cheaper. The advantage the Apple has in designing both hardware and software is beginning to really show and no other tech company can compete at this time.
He’s right that phones go in and out of style very fast, but Apple didn’t sit on its laurels on the iPod, demonstrating aggressiveness with the early iPod mini replacement. So yes, expect enough variants eventually. The only thing the iPhone can’t do is small-screen / small form factor.
As for the phone itself, it’s not merely a phone but also an extension of your Mac or iPod. On that vein, the mining has only begun.
“If (Apple is) smart it will call the iPhone a ‘reference design’ and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else’s marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures”
Isn’t that what MicroShaft does?
How about the list going around of Apple “faillures” that includes the Motorola ROKR? HUH?????
Yes, Apple needs to give someone else the iPhone…and that someone else is ME!
I think Jacksprat was spot on, countering the heart of Dvorak’s argument, when he (Jack) stressed that iPhones are half software. There’s a pattern here, in the Trojan Horses of iTunes and Quicktime. Of course these were taylored to work best on Macs, but they were also ported, and have back-doored themselves into being industry standards.They have revolutionized the video and music industries.
Couple in the power of OSX, the fact that all of them work seamlessly together, . . . and the fact that they are all being constantly improved, and you now have a juggernaut. iPod, AppleTV, iMac, and iPhone aren’t static. They are all powered by Apple software, and software upgrades make them dynamic.
No wonder MS can’t get a good shot at them, . . . the target is moving . . . to “where the puck will be.”
Well of course they should pull the plug on the iPhone….as soon as it’s fully charged. That way you can walk around with it.
Jeese!
john c dvorak is an ass.
and those who reacted to his remarks and took his bait
are a bigger ass.
and that includes you, mdn.
PCMag should pull the plug on Dvorak
It’s one thing to troll for hits on your site, it’s another to simply be a dumbass.
iPhone has an incredibly simple design – a rectangular box, a few buttons for volume and power, and a large screen. Everything on it can be changed with a software update – the keyboard design, the applications, any function (like 3G compatibility), GPS, etc. No other phone on the market can do that.
If iPhone is such a looming disaster, why is the head of AT&T as giddy as a schoolgirl to introduce it at special events; why are other mobile phone makers sick and tired of talking about iPhone; and why are new phones, hacks and new interfaces being designed to specifically copy iPhone?
I think senility is setting in on Dvorak.
Jackass of the week, no doubt…
Dvorak is one of those wierd types who is driven by the contrarian impulse. If the vast majority of people think something is true, he will find some way to validate to himself why they can’t possibly be right. He’s actually not a dumb guy (which is why he’s been able to survive in this game for so long), and not following the herd isn’t a bad way to go in my book. The herd sometimes goes along just because everyone else (or someone they think is authoritative) says its a good idea. We’ve all seen that. The problem is that sometimes the herd is actually right, and any individual has to use their brain to figure out ‘when is when’.
“What Apple risks here is its reputation as a hot company that can do no wrong. If it’s smart it will call the iPhone a ‘reference design’ and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else’s marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures…” so says Dvorak.
Well yeah, that’s always a risk. What kills me is how he thinks iPhone is that kind of product. It clearly is capable of doing things that current phones can’t – things that people WANT phones to do – and in a stylish and easy-to-use way. That’s a huge leg up! The only caveat we know of is being stuck with AT&T as the carrier, but that’s not unheard of in today’s US cell phine industry no matter what handset you use. In some areas we can’t know HOW the iPhone might do – the battery might turn out to suck bad, or reliability might turn into a major problem. Yet since no one has any inkling on those things yet, any assessment has to be made on what we do know. And on that front iPhone is definitely on the right track.
Apple would have to make some really dumb mistakes to have iPhone fail. And if Dvorak’s own personality quirk weren’t getting in the way, he would see that as clearly as everyone else.
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I find it amusing that people rant about how he is just trolling for hits and yet see no difference between what he is doing and what MDN is doing. Just posting anything by him or Thurott is sure to get lots and lots of activity here – exactly what is wanted.
Dvorak is no bigger a hit whore than MDN is.
“It’s the loyalists who keep promoting this device as if it is going to be anything other than another phone is a crowded market. And it’s exactly the crowded market aspect of this which analysts seem to be ignoring,”
That’s strange, I don’t see any Apple branded phones in the market place and the touch screen phones are rare too, I don’t even see too many phones that are able to sync everything with your computer. Is Dorkw getting old and blind?
Dork is a smart man, even without the va. MDN should publish this, that is the way it works. MDN is better for not being afraid to publish morons.
I will not buy an iPhone. But, after reading Dorks material, perhaps I will just to prove him right. Then again, maybe that is his intention, like before, get people to do the opposite……maybe he has shares…..
What I truly do know but never will be able to understand, my mistake, is why people like him and Enderle make money (even a little) with their crap. Why does anyone hire these guys?
I have worked with Windows and now for years with Windows (work, you know it) and Mac and I have tried Linux countless times. I don’t hate MS and even Windows has a few things that I would like te see in OSX (Parts of the FInder are really not handy for me). Honestly, WIndows come on “all” computers and that is why people use it. Linux is, even for me, just that much too much of a hassle to be bothered, but I even had it single boot on my Macbook Pro. OSX is the only os that makes sense today.
I do not own or want an iPod, don’t need it. I do not use a Mighty Mouse (anymore) I found in not handy (unable to lift it). I would buy a Mighty Mouse if it were a little more like a conventional mouse, but it is not, so I have a Logitech. That is no need to shout out to the world for Apple to stop making them, that gives me no credit.
In the piece of nothing that the Dork wrote, I can not discover a single piece of information, positive or negative, that is useful in any other way than for laughs….
After reading this, I know the same is true for my contribution….
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“bloated gasbag vents”
“the blowhard babbles”
MDN, I love your verbage. More, more!!
Dvorak is just a bitter middle aged man who will die a lonley death in his hovel.
He suffers from middle aged man syndrome, bitter, twisted and narrow-minded due to his life experiences and because of his 3 ex-wive’s screwing him up during the divorces.
A very sad and pitiful person…
The iPhone will be usccessful AND there isnt a thing that Dvorak and Turdrot and all the other Redmond obsessed scumbags can say that is gonna change that.
Guys, a word of advice… get with the programme and embrace innovation. It’s companies like Apple that are moving human society forward through groundbreaking technology and software.
Without companys like Apple around everyone would still be using an abacus to work out computing equations.
Embrace innovation guys = there isnt anything you can do or say to stop it!
“The problem with trying to refute idiots like Dvorak and Thurrott …”
Not fair to bracket him with Paul Thurrott.
There’s no side with Dvorak. It’s all in fun.
Thurrott’s a different animal. He regularly runs Apple and Apple products down, and he does the same with any other companies who are competing in any space with Microsoft. He’s had some nasty things to say about Google, for example. (As we know MS would like to take Google’s search business.) Thurrott also regularly _defends_ Microsoft and Microsoft products. He also likes to imply that anyone who prefers something different, or who balks at his inaccurate and slanted comments, is some kind of lunatic and extremist.
But just in case anyone points out his one-sidedness, he dabbles a bit with competing products, so that he can say: look up my blog; I used such-and-such, and I said I liked such-and-such about it. Recently, he’s been talking about Ubuntu Linux on his blog. You can be pretty sure he’ll be careful to say a few nice things while tipping you the wink that it’s really not up to the job. What Alexander Pope called “damning with faint praise”. He can then then quote selectively from the posts when he’s called out as a Microsoft shill.
It’s a calculated thing with Thurrott, and there’s a purpose behind it.
That’s not John C. Dvorak at all. It’s all just a bit of fun with him. He’s certainly not in Redmond’s pocket. He just enjoys baiting Apple fans (and plenty of others, too) because he gets a good response. He’s also looking for page hits.
hes a red-headed step child, this is what happens folks.
Seriously though it just adds to the joy of being a mac fan. The guy has to use windows all day anyway, thats surely punishment enough.
This is interesting, and kinda funny. That email I sent to Marketwatch, the one that bounced back with the reason stated as “failed” (see my posts above). I sent it again, but this time I removed the link in my email and replaced it with just the text of the link (so now you can’t click on the link in email to go there but have to copy/paste the url into a browser), and it went through. What this tells me is that MarketWatch has taken some extreme steps to protect itself from malware. It trashes any incoming email with a link in it. Isn’t it a shame that Microsoft’s susceptibility to viruses/malware has resulted in the net being LESS functional for a lot of people? In my case my email had to be reduced in functionality and resent, not because of a virus but just due to the threat of one.
So why is MDN giving this Borat or whatever guy any spave here?
“These phones go in an out of style so fast that unless Apple has half a dozen variants in the pipeline, its phone, even if immediately successful, will be passé within 3 months”
Um, who on EARTH would take style tips from this guy? Look at that get-up he’s wearing in the video!! BTW, The iPod (I’m not talking mini, nano or shuffle here) has remained, for the most part, unchanged since it’s debut in ’01. Apple ESTABLISHES style for electronic devices, and competitors scramble to keep up. Just how many cheap knock-offs of the iPhone do you think are already in the pipe (LG Prada?!)?
MDN MW “wish” as in “iWish iHad an iPhone right now!”
Why do you bother dealing with his nonsense? You and he are boring.
He forgot that this is Apple he is talking about. With Apple there is a new norm, a new standard, another envelope pushed, a next generation of fad, another time the world will be changed.
This validates my decision to get an iphone as soon as it’s released. This guy must be on the M$ payroll.
And publishers should pull the plug on his ignorant column!
MDN is just as, if not more guilty than, this Dvorak loser.
I stopped clicking on The Dvorak/Enderle doo doo that MDN posts months ago. I got curious and checked on this one to see if peeps were bitching at MDN about their own hit baiting and lo and behold they are. We should all bitch about MDN’s hit baiting tactics in non Dvorak/Enderle postings. That way MDN won’t have their own hits that make them think people are interested in what idiots have to say about Apple.
Early on it was kind of fun to see how stupid the idiots were, but that has completely worn off.
None of us are here to listen to what these dipshorts have to say.
Maybe we should all just go look somewhere else for our DMN.
MDN stop posting articles about these idiots!
MDN can’t pull the plug on him, look how many posts they got on this ONE article. They’re hit whores too!
Wow, been awhile since three pages, and NO politics (cool) but I guess this weasel knows what he is doing.
Probably laughing himself right off the toilet about now…
Dvorak, that is
We shud just lock up dvorak in a cell on Alcatraz with a Macbook Pro and throw away the keys into the san francisico bay. See how he deals with the torture of only have to use a mac. Oh one more thing, there is no wireless on Alcatraz. muah ha ha ha ha ha!
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even engadget called this one…
Dvorak really screwed himself when he confessed his troll bait and switch tactics last year.
I’ll never read an article by this boob again.
It’s too bad he shows up on TwiT so often.
Since when has Dvorak ever been right about anything?
Who’s trolling for whom?
MDN is probably a greater source of hits to Enderle, Dvorak, etc., than anyone else.
Methink thou dost protest too much, MDN.
i want to give my powerbook away, the immaturity of mac users disgusts me
I kind of feel sorry for him (Dvorak). He desperately tries to get attention but at the same time he makes fool of himself.
Please, try to understand him. It is not easy to be a “computer expert” when the world is changing so fast and you miss the good ole days of DOS and XT.
‘i want to give my powerbook away, the immaturity of mac users disgusts me’
Yes, that would be the adult thing to do….
“i want to give my powerbook away, the immaturity of mac users disgusts me”
do you want my adress?
magic word, “products” as in, “those are products i will happily take off your hands for you.”
Crap goes out of style really fast. 1991 S 600 SEL makes most modern cars look cheap.
Gimmicks fade, real thing doesn’t…
God should pull the plug on Dvorak!
To the “Just Ignore Him and He’ll Go Away” crowd:
To use an extreme example: they tried that with Hitler. It didn’t work.
I am hereby invoking Godwin’s Law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Thou I think thte analogy is apt…
Someone should pull the plug from Dvorak’s computer so that he can stop typing crap nonsense……..
Someone should pull the plug from Dvorak’s computer so that he can stop typing crap nonsense……..
Someone should pull the plug from Dvorak’s computer so that he can stop typing crap nonsense……..
Someone should pull the plug from Dvorak’s computer so that he can stop typing crap nonsense……..
He’s just smart, he knows how to wind people up, get his name out there and make money. He’s already said Apple will switch to Windows, everyone jumps up and down, he smiles and rubs his hands.
He’s found an easy target with Apple people, he’d vanish if everyone stopped listening and commenting (Yes, I know I’m commenting).
Just ignore him, he’s clearly not Hitler.