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Perhaps Apple used this strategy to test the iPhone, now the iPhone 2 should be avaiable everywhere where the competition is.

May 22, 08 - 10:04 am Comment from: MaLvado

He must be using that stat of all Nokia phones sold... smart-phone or not...even the free ones giving away under contracts.

Entirely misleading...

Mr. Semmoto, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

May 22, 08 - 10:12 am Comment from: Spark

Inscrutible

May 22, 08 - 10:15 am Comment from: dd

Once again, the competition is simply in denial. Denial or full copycat... that's their only "weapons" of choice.

May 22, 08 - 10:16 am Comment from: jjjj

let me guess, eAccess was rebuffed by Apple?

May 22, 08 - 10:18 am Comment from: Woody

I love the smell of ignorant naysayers in the morning.




NOT.

well, to piss on the parade. apple going with exclusive deals seriously limited the number of handets they could have sold. at least here in germany, being tied to t-mobile prevented a lot of people i know from buying one. the same seems to be true for other markets including the u.s. so yes in my mind, he is right, that was a mistake. (though saying the iphone being a total failure is idiotique at best)

And don´t forget, MDN, the iPhone has 100% of the Apple phone market, plus it is the only - totally exclusive - phone sold via Apple Stores.

hmmmm....

and in Q1 2008, Nokia financial report stated that "Nokia's North American market share has plunged from 20% to 7% in two years."
http://tinyurl.com/4af3ze

what does that make Nokia's effort in US?

Well, ignorants are a very large business everywhere...
You can sell them cheap things at very high prices, you do not need a complex marketing plan. Just take a look at MS windows market....

May 22, 08 - 10:31 am Comment from: hagar57

The guy has so much insight, he'll join the Enderle Group, before long, making a threesome with Rob and his wife.

May 22, 08 - 10:33 am Comment from: Ampar

"I love the smell of ignorant naysayers in the morning."

Ammonia and cheap booze?

May 22, 08 - 10:37 am Comment from: silverwarloc

@MDN:

Please, don't forget to iCal this fool.

Sachio Semmoto goes in ical

Nokia are a phone company, that's their focus, they have existing infrastructure, a wide range of devices and an existing market. The iPhone is a first attempt from a company who are totally new to the market. Whatever shortcomings the first version has are ones that can be easily rectified over time but are overshadowed by the things it excels at. The iPhone is by no stretch of the imaginations a failure. At worst, at the very worst it is a solid foundation for success.

May 22, 08 - 10:41 am Comment from: Harvey

Give the guy some slack. He is obviously a recent arrival on our planet and hasn't gotten his bearings yet. We don't want him to get a bad initial impression of earthlings.

May 22, 08 - 10:43 am Comment from: DLMeyer

Normally I wince a bit at MDN's Take when they are reporting some nay-sayer's anti-Apple comments. Over the top, vitriolic, puerile ... these are just some of the terms that have applied in the past. Not this time. With the exception of one "bozo", this one nails the answer to the miscreant's forehead.
OK, Apple's iPhone is NOT #1 in the US, never mind the world, and is not even trying for that spot. Well ... maybe in its modest, profitable niche. But Windows Mobile has been out there for longer, and has multiple models - most costing less - and is sold by experienced phone companies around the world, and ... it's an also-ran? Palm - well-known, long standing, and at 1/3 the market share?
This man must think Apple is in competition with the throw-away phones like I use, rather than business-class phones. Doesn't understand? Doesn't care?

MDN: Except for calling him a 'bozo' that was a great, great take. Well written, thought out, and backed up with the Reuter's article. Those are the comments I love to see!

Well done!

iCal this article...I promise it will get pulled from it's resting place a year from now...maybe earlier.
Welcome to the Laura Goldman fan club, Mr. Semmoto. Just what will you do when the iPhone is released in Japan? Call Nokia and get them to make 200 more versions. It's all about the User Interface, sir.

AT&T;and t-mobile are the only two GSM operators in the USA. while I would prefer an unlocked phone so i can travel and just swap sim cards the fact is the USA is so far behind everyone else it will take 5 more years after europe gets 4G before the USA will anyways.

We are really just getting 3G now.

Semmoto is on CRACK!!!

May 22, 08 - 10:57 am Comment from: 84 Mac Guy

Phone call for Mr. Semmoto. It is Mr. Reality calling. He says he needs to have a talk with you.

Semmoto-son, put the sword to your stomach and push as hard as you can. Your place in history will be determined by quotes of an "ignorant" man predicting the failure of the mobile device that eventually captures almost the entire market.

The iPhone is an utterly failure, see how few has been sold compared to all the cans of coke in the same amount of time !

(hmmm... I tried to be funny, but I´m not very good at being ironic)

How do they say it.... puff puff ....pass!

Good luck in getting that meeting with Steve! Insult someone’s decision, tell them they are wrong, and say you would have done it differently without giving the actual answer. For a country where saving face is important I am fairly dumbfounded by such a bold statement. Very classy.

I wouldn´t call it a total failure (with the exception of the German market which is an abysmal failure), perhaps more of a "yawning success".
Apple is too slow to bring out new product.

May 22, 08 - 11:07 am Comment from: DLMeyer

I should have pointed out that there are dangers and lessons to be learned when entering an entirely new market. You need to get all your ducks in a row before jumping in with both feet. Apple's OS was not QUITE ready on opening day and they were still ramping up production. What if, and it's possible, the pent-up demand was all there WAS!
Sure, Apple could have landed running and never looked back. Sure, Apple could have captured more revenue from the "broken" phones attached to other networks. "Sure this" and "Sure that" and, but "what if". Apple is in the market now. Caution is a much smaller concern. The OS is fixed and about to get a shot in the arm. They have a product and a history and there's no place to go but up. RIM-be-damned!

@MDN
You analysis is to coin a phrase shit. Quote"Besides the imminent arrival of iPhone in Japan (fear is a strong motivator for generating stupid quotes from bit players), we do know that, back in February, Reuters reported that eAccess had announced a sales deal with Taiwan's High Tech Computer (HTC), which is yet another iPhone lookalike-not-actalike outfit that preys upon the ignorant."
Bit player with HTC! My god they sell more in a month than Apple will sell in a year. Nokia the leader sells more in a week.
And lookalike, give me a fucking break, Iphone is goodlooking and all, but your conciet is showing.

Again, how does one define success. By numbers alone? The iPhone certainly could have sold more phones if they have gone unlocked. In fact, they could have sold lots more phones if they lowered the price.

But the last time I looked the goal was to be the one making the most money, not the one supporting a butt load of cheap phones. Apple is making money on the hardware and they are making money on the exclusive agreements. Not to mention some nice intangibles like dominating mindshare, having a two year head start on phone design and wresting power from the carriers.

I would rather sell one hundred thousand iPhones with a margin of $100 dollars than a million phones with a margin of $1.

May 22, 08 - 11:19 am Comment from: McIntosh

@ Jay -- Bravo on perfectly appropriating that Billy Madison quote.

It's never surprising to hear competitors try to talk down good product. In a world where so many appear to be hell-bent on a race to the bottom, that a company like Apple can maintain its lofty standards AND still grow in the face of mass ignorance is a wonderful thing to see.

This guy needs a reality check.

AT&T;(and Verizon and Alltel, too) have committed to LTE technology for their 700 MHz 4G networks, which will start rolling out in late 2009/early 2010. So it's a given that the 4G iPhone will be LTE-based (and probably on multiple carriers, too).

@MacIntosh "It's never surprising to hear competitors try to talk down good product. In a world where so many appear to be hell-bent on a race to the bottom, that a company like Apple can maintain its lofty standards AND still grow in the face of mass ignorance is a wonderful thing to see."
And who the hell are you to say Im ignorant or anybody else is?
Man the conceit and arrogance in here is laughable. You guys have no clue who you are or who your talking too.
Give it up.

May 22, 08 - 11:32 am Comment from: HMCIV

The iPhone IS a total failure. How the heck can you use it to do anything without a mouse!?!

And where am I supposed to plug in my XBox or my HD DVD player?

@ DLMeyer
As the MDN all powerful, all knowing schlep writes, and I quote, Bit Players.
Not hard to figure that one out Einstein.
Numbers were braoched and responded too.

May 22, 08 - 11:35 am Comment from: HMCIV

BTW, what if Steve HAD made deals with all the wireless carriers. How fraked would Nokia and RIM be?

People are so ignorant. Nokia used to be sales leader in US back in the late 90's, but their market share has dropped from > 30% to < 10% in 10 years or so.

If I state that Nokia has been a total failure in US and iPhone in Germany (and perhaps a bit in Europe overall thusfar), I'd say I am not that far off..

Jay, is my name. What I've just wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever written. At no point in my rambling, incoherent response was I even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone is now dumber for having read to it, including myself. I award myself no points, and may God have mercy on my soul.

You need to specifically list your own reasons how or why Mr. Semmoto's thoughts are unworthy of intelligent thought processes. That is, if you can demonstrate your own superior intellect with objective insight, logic, and persuasion. Can you do this - point by point? Well, can you? Or are you simply mimicking the intellectual insipidness that often pollutes MDN?

Compare iPhone with Nokia in the US market? Big mistake.

Nokia's US market share has gone from 28% in 2002 down to 7% last year.

Says everything you need to know....

May 22, 08 - 11:50 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Crash

You're ignorant.

THERE, I SAID IT!!!

May 22, 08 - 11:50 am Comment from: OBill-Wan Kenobi

Oh boy...let's see, go to bigcharts and look up NOK and AAPL. Look at the spread in their respective volume, almost 10,000,000! Check out their 52 week pps trends.

Ok, now click on this link:
http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/overview.asp?symbol=9427.T

Check out that pps nosedive since last May. Egad!

I think I'll stick with Apple.

This guy uses Hillary math.

May 22, 08 - 11:56 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

Here's the angry letter Mr. Crash knew he was bound to receive. First things first: Crash's criticisms of my letters have never successfully disproved a single fact I ever presented. Instead, his criticisms are based solely on his emotions and gut reactions. Well, I refuse to get caught up in Crash's "I think … I believe … I feel" game. I recently heard him tell a bunch of people that my bitterness at him is merely the latent projection of libidinal energy stemming from self-induced anguish. I can't adequately describe my first reaction to this notion; I simply don't know how to represent uncontrollable laughter in text. If I am doomed to endure Crash's despotic tyranny in all its plenitude then Crash will obviously incite racial hatred faster than you can say "anthropogeographical". His catch-phrases are perpetuated by an ethos of continuous reform, the demand that one strive permanently and painfully for something that not only does not exist but is alien to the human condition.

May 22, 08 - 11:58 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

Sure, Crash may have a right to spread hatred, animosity, and divisiveness but we certainly don't have to stand idly by while he exercises that right. If he has any children, I recommend that Crash teach them about love, trust, cooperation, community, reason, negotiation, and compromise rather than violence, paranoia, and fear. On a completely different tack, he has -- not once, but several times -- been able to lobotomize everyone caught thinking an independent thought without anyone stopping him. How long can that go on? As long as his homophobic jeremiads are kept on life support. That's why we have to pull the plug on them and rise to the challenge of thwarting his rebarbative plans.

"Nokia are a phone company, that's their focus, they have existing infrastructure, a wide range of devices and an existing market."

Hey, moron, how stupid can you be with the English language? Would you write "I are a person." or "My car are a BMW." To wit, moron, is Nokia more than one company any more than Apple is more than one company?

<r>rhetorical question</r>

May 22, 08 - 12:00 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

Crash must sense his own irremediable inferiority. That's why he is so desperate to replace love and understanding with clericalism and interdenominationalism; it's the only way for him to distinguish himself from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if Crash also realized that anyone -- you or I or a Martian just arrived in a flying saucer -- who wants to comment on his canards should realize that his victims have been speaking out for years. Unfortunately, their voices have long been silenced by the roar and thunder of Crash's spokesmen, who loudly proclaim that Crash has the mandate of Heaven to create an unwelcome climate for those of us who are striving to expose his malversation. Regardless of those illogical proclamations, the truth is that we need to look beyond the most immediate and visible problems with him. We need to look at what is behind these problems and understand that it strikes me as amusing that he complains about people who do nothing but complain. Well, news flash! Crash does nothing but complain. Let me end by citing my standard hate-mail response form letter:

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. One question, though: Do you actually want Mr. Crash to create new (and reinforce existing) prejudices and misconceptions? Because that's what'll happen if we don't compile readers' remarks and suggestions and use them to lay out some ideas and interpretations that hold the potential for insight.

Part of the problem here is perspective. Many folks are obsessed with numbers as a measure of success. From a numbers perspective alone, and the number of raw sales in Europe and the US, the iPhone was modestly successful. But I don't think Apple/Jobs ever sought more than that. It was the first attempt at a new market. If total sales volume was what Apple was going for (with any of their products besides the Shuffle), they would have made it cheaper, and not locked it to one carrier initially, and they would have offered a CDMA and a 3G version to begin with. Apple is not dumb, they know that 3G is faster... but guess what? AT&T;is the only company with a significant 3G coverage map, and that is only as of 06.08 - next month!

Here is where they were really successful - The people that bought them love them, even the non Apple fans. The user interface is amazing, the experience is fantastic, and the convergence factor is ground breaking. Demand for the units is high, world wide. People still stop and gawk at the iPhone in the open, a full year after it's deployment. Even here in NY, every time the iPhone comes out of my pocket, I get swarmed with people interested in it. Every day, one or two more people I know (friends, family, coworkers) express desire to get an iPhone.

Apple has a plan. The trouble is, most of these other companies don't understand Apple, or their plans (for any markets/products). I am quite certain Apple did not decide to invest billions in the iPhone without a strategy and a plan. Apple does not have to share the plan with us. But they did. 10,000,000 iPhones by the end of 2008 was the plan. So far, they are on schedule, for their plan - not someone else's plan, who would have could have might have done things differently.

MDN Magic Word - child

As in: When I was a child I thought like a child. Some folks grow up to be adults and still think like children. THINK DIFFERENT!

Chrissy One your making my point for me! You do have a way about you.
Good luck on your continued indoctrination. zieg heil there zeig heil.
Oh sage advice for all "Think Different"

May 22, 08 - 12:16 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

A few weeks ago, I wrote, "Mr. Crash measures the value of a man by the amount of profit he can realize from him". In this letter, I'd like to follow up on that statement. To get immediately to the point, the downward spiral of society and the concomitant growing threat of emotionalism are the natural results of Crash's deluded communiqués. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. Accompanying this recognition of the indeterminateness of verifiability with regard to an external, objective reality has been a crisis regarding our ability to know that if he were paying attention -- which it would seem he is not, as I've already gone over this -- he'd see that we can divide his theories into three categories: brown-nosing, out-of-touch, and scummy. Do you understand the implications of what I have been telling you? Are you awake? Then you probably realize that if Crash isn't disloyal, I don't know who is.