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EFF demands Microsoft issue refunds for music that no longer PlaysForSure (not that it ever did)
Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 12:22 PM EST

"The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) on Tuesday demanded that Microsoft issue refunds for MSN Music Store purchases that will be inaccessible after Microsoft deletes the music store servers this summer," Chloe Albanesius reports for PC Magazine.

"Microsoft announced last week that as of August 31, the company will delete its MSN Music [PlaysForSure] license servers, so music purchased from the now-defunct MSN Music Store will be accessible only via the five computers you authorized to play the tunes," Albanesius reports.

MacDailyNews Take: Microsoft's PlaysForSure is going to be a long-term problem for Apple. - Rob Enderle, oft-quoted and oft-wrong paid mouthpiece, January 09, 2006

Albanesius continues, reporting that Shari Steele, EFF executive director, wrote an open letter on April 29, 2008 to Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, "Steele called on Ballmer to formally apologize to customers affected by the change. Customers should also be offered a refund for music purchased, or replacements from an online store that offers the same tracks in a DRM-free format, she wrote."

MacDailyNews Take: How nice of Microsoft and its partners to clearly identify devices, PCs and music services that won't work well or at all with Apple's market-dominating iTunes Music Store and even-more-dominating iPod... This'll make it easier for consumers to avoid making expensive mistakes. They should've just called it 'Don'tBuyThis.' - MacDailyNews, October 15, 2004

Albanesius continues, "Microsoft general manager Rob Bennett told CNet last week that continued support for Music Store purchases was impractical, and that the focus should instead be placed on the Zune."

MacDailyNews Take: Why focus on failure?

Albanesius continues, "'No one ever foresaw being in this situation,' Bennett said."

MacDailyNews Take: Oh, Rob, plenty of people did, just no one at Microsoft. That's what happens when you put a chimp in charge.

Albanesius continues, "Microsoft launched the MSN Music Store in September, 2004, in an effort to compete with Apple's iTunes, but it never made much of a dent in iTunes' business. Two years later, Microsoft started redirecting MSN Music Store shoppers to the Zune Marketplace."

MacDailyNews Take: All three of them.

Albanesius' full report is here.

[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader "HMCIV" for the heads up.]

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May 01, 08 - 11:35 am Comment from: Twitterarti

OT, but just had to say my life is now complete! Thanks, MDN, for this (fast, fast, fast on iPhone):

http://twitter.com/macdailynews/

May 01, 08 - 11:41 am Comment from: Cubert

Rob Enderle Played For Sure.

May 01, 08 - 11:49 am Comment from: Peter J

Gotta tell you, going to the MDN link for Enderle's comment, it was a lot of fun to read some of the responses. Some people had concerns some weren't worried at all and now, two years later, MSN Music and Plays For Sure is dead. Two years isn't very long for a product with such deep pockets as Microsoft.

I can't see how much longer Ballmer can last. How many people is he going to shoot in the foot until they take the gun away?

May 01, 08 - 11:50 am Comment from: Tommy Boy

Thanks for the reminder thread MDN, my graphic is still prophetic: http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/dontbuythis.jpg

May 01, 08 - 11:52 am Comment from: Gorgalor

I didn't even know MSN had a website, let along a music store. Weren't they trying to buy a home page from Yahoo!???

May 01, 08 - 11:52 am Comment from: HMCIV

Refunding all that music could cost Microsoft hundreds of dollars! Maybe even thousands!

May 01, 08 - 11:53 am Comment from: obvious

Issuing rebates to consumers for every PlaysForSh*t track ever purchased would equate to a $42 hit to Microshaft's earnings. Tops.

May 01, 08 - 11:54 am Comment from: obvious

@HMCIV

great minds, etc.

May 01, 08 - 11:57 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

I think that PFS sufferers should pool all their tracks, appending their collections, and claim refunds for those songs over and over again. =)

Yeah, I'm evil.

May 01, 08 - 12:02 pm Comment from: macbones

hmm. I don't see why micro$oft would hesitate to offer refunds. Is it that they'd be embarrassed by having to pay out (only) $32 -?

The final chapter of "played for sure"

May 01, 08 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

What?! Somebody out in the wild actually taking MS to task?! Of course the next question is, will they stick with it?

"Albanesius continues, 'No one ever foresaw being in this situation,' Bennett said.'"

O-M-G: It's just so hard for me to believe that this kind of pc world-view still exists - but it does - doesn't it.

Duh - MS screwed its partners... Duh - MS screwed its corporate clients... Duh - MS screwed me, and I love Windows - duh... I just didn't see it coming! It's so unusual for MS to do stuff like that..! Duh...

Dammit man - Will somebody wake up the world to the 100's of millions of Dollars, Euros, Yen, Deutschemarks, etc., that are being doled out to MS every month of every year by corporations and private citizens alike. MS should really stand for MicroScrew, and its users should be called MR for MicroRetarded.

Ok ok, I'm sorry and I take it all back - except for the part about waking up the world. I admit I've gone too far this time. It's just that, you'd think after getting gang-banged a couple of times joe and jane consumer would finally get it... Ok, ok, I've gone too far again, I apologies - except for the part about finally getting it. I just can't help it, I really despise the whole MS world domination thing that has now become industry standard for global corps. Can you blame me?

May 01, 08 - 12:07 pm Comment from: John

Rob Underware should just shut up about anything related to Apple because he gets it wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME!!

May 01, 08 - 12:08 pm Comment from: Spudly

And the tunetards in the music industry actually want to RAISE music prices?!? are they kidding?!? the ONLY thing they should be considering is LOWERING prices... make music an impulse buy...as it should be! albums for $5 and songs for..."a song"...

The morons don't realize it'll be easier to heat their pools and pay for their 3rd wife's boob job if they LOWER prices!! Stupid fu*ktards..

May 01, 08 - 12:15 pm Comment from: sg

Can't they just burn the songs to a CD and re-rip to a digital file?

May 01, 08 - 12:18 pm Comment from: LateRegistrant

So here we have "frontier" organization griping about backwater technology. It just seems so incongruous.

May 01, 08 - 12:24 pm Comment from: Predrag

No, they cant. Burning songs from those song rental services is not allowed. You would have to pay $0.99 for every song you burn to a CD (on top of the existing monthly subscription). Once this thing shuts down, they'll have gigabytes of useless encrypted data sitting on their hard drives. If I understand correctly how it works, the DRM in the files checks every time you try to play it if the file's expiration date hasn't passed. If it has, it instructs the host player (WMP, or whatever) to contact the store and verify that the subscription has been paid. If you're on a portable device, it tells you to sync your device with your primary PC, which in turn checks with the store for subscriptions. Once that store goes away, the files remain locked forever, leaving you with digital garbage...

At least fairplay will never ask again for re-authorisation. While it's still DRM, it is at least somewhat less problematic. In an extremely unlikely event that iTunes store disappears, all the songs you have on your iTunes would continue to play on that computer, as well as any iPod connected to it, as long as you don't reinstall the OS or re-format the hard drive on that PC. In addition, you could always salvage your music by burning it to CDs as standard audio CDs (with some negligible loss of audio quality, if you should re-rip them into unencrypted MP3/AAC).

May 01, 08 - 12:30 pm Comment from: @ Mr. Peabody

Just take money out of the equation and you have the true nature of politics, regardless of political affiliation.

Domination.

May 01, 08 - 12:32 pm Comment from: The Other Steve

"continued support for Music Store purchases was impractical"

The fact that Microsoft isn't even offering a free cross-grade to the Zune format shows just how much they care about their past customers.

And their level of competence.

May 01, 08 - 12:41 pm Comment from: Macromancer

Every single person should email Rob Enderle his own quote along with the URL of that news story.

May 01, 08 - 12:47 pm Comment from: Sum Jung Gai

I was in a Borders store yesterday and actually saw a Zune case for sale, amidst dozens of iPod accessories.

I wonder if they have sold any yet.

MDN Word: "make," as in "Why the hell did they make the Zune anyway? Just to cement their reputation for producing badly designed derivative crap?"

May 01, 08 - 12:47 pm Comment from: LateRegistrant

And the Edsel Award for Music Distribution goes to ...

May 01, 08 - 12:52 pm Comment from: chair-throwing, simian-like CEO

Paul Thurrott commented on the MSN music rip-off a few days ago.

Thurrott said that he was happy to bend over and take it.

Joe Wilcox isn't happy to do that. He had rather a funny piece on it:

"Translation: Suckers, soon you won't be able to reauthorize computers. You'd best buy those new Vista PCs before summer ends. Oh, and don't forget that you have to play every song on every computer, or the rights go poof. We already said "suckers," right?"

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/games_consumer/my_dear_john_letter_from_msn_music.html

May 01, 08 - 12:55 pm Comment from: The Dude

@ Cubert..
I think you have a typo....
"Rob Enderle Played For Sure"
should read:
"Rob Enderle Paid For sure"

With the trash he spews... not sure anyone can be that dumb without some major $$$ making it happen.

Paris Hilton is a great example. Granted she is not the brightest spark on the planet, but she is smart enough to know that if you act dumb, have a tiny "in" to the rich and famous, the media will flock to you, gain more publicity, in turn get more deals.

I have actually briefly met Paris while working at an Apple Specialist in Maui. I must say I have met way more obnoxious and flat out dumb people there than her.

The Dude abides

May 01, 08 - 12:58 pm Comment from: Spark

"chimp in charge" LOL
I love the alliteration.

May 01, 08 - 12:59 pm Comment from: The Mac That Roared

"Chimp in charge"? Shouldn't that be CHUMP in charge? Oh wait, even chimps would consider him a chump! He's a chump chimp! Or is that chimp chump?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

May 01, 08 - 01:00 pm Comment from: John C. Randolph

Refunds? Are they crazy? Don't they know how many "Plays for Sure" customers there are? There must be dozens! Maybe even dozens of dozens!

-jcr

May 01, 08 - 01:00 pm Comment from: chair-throwing, simian-like CEO

Quote from a Microsoft internal document:

"Analysts sell out - that's their business model."

http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958



The document begins:

"Our mission is to establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto standards throughout the computer industry.... Working behind the scenes to orchestrate "independent" praise of our technology, and damnation of the enemy's"

May 01, 08 - 01:02 pm Comment from: Jubei

"MacDailyNews Take: Microsoft's PlaysForSure is going to be a long-term problem for Apple. - Rob Enderle, oft-quoted and oft-wrong paid mouthpiece, January 09, 2006"

If I was a billionair, I would buy a full page ad on every major newspaper and post this. LOL

May 01, 08 - 01:45 pm Comment from: Mark

Steve Ballmer should give iTunes gift cards to everyone affected so they can repurchase their tunes from a store, and in a format, that won't be defunct by next Thursday. If he really cared about his customers, he'd throw in an iPod too.

May 01, 08 - 01:59 pm Comment from: BizZAro BalLmer

good 1 JCR

May 01, 08 - 02:10 pm Comment from: HD Boy

Where is Zune Tang's big mouth, Microsoft-spinning response to this story? He must be hiding in a rat hole...

May 01, 08 - 02:27 pm Comment from: Petey

LOL - best news of the day!

Made my day this, yet another Microsoft success.

YYYYYYYEEEESSS!

May 01, 08 - 02:28 pm Comment from: Macromancer

@HD Boy
Zune Tang is not serious. Zune Tang is satire, sort of like The Onion. Anything he would say would just be sheer folly.

May 01, 08 - 02:47 pm Comment from: Shadow

PlaysForSure or PlayedForSure

Eventually PlaysForSure will no longer Play therefore their name will change to PlayedForSure. Those that bought items with Microsoft's PlaysForSure have already been PlayedForSure.

Enough said

Cheers

May 01, 08 - 02:51 pm Comment from: DRM sucks

"Microsoft general manager Rob Bennett told CNet last week that continued support for Music Store purchases was impractical, and that the focus should instead be placed on the Zune."

MacDailyNews Take: Why focus on failure?


Beacuse the PlaysForSome people have to play to their strengths.

May 01, 08 - 03:23 pm Comment from: Bread Box Cloner

Micros**t

May 01, 08 - 04:12 pm Comment from: @chair-throwing, simian-like CEO

"Our mission is to establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto standards throughout the computer industry.... Working behind the scenes to orchestrate "independent" praise of our technology, and damnation of the enemy's."

If that is the business ideology that MS is built upon, it explains a lot about the their lack of real success in venues outside the OS and Office arenas, and why MS is headed for destruction. Along with their inability to do anything about.

You can't build a sound structure (that will last) on a rotten foundation. And that is about as rotten as they come.

May 01, 08 - 07:37 pm Comment from: Scott in Japan

I Love the animation atthe beginning of this stroy ! Busted out laughing !

May 01, 08 - 09:26 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

That has got to be a misquote, the article should read 'No one thinking like Zune Thang ever foresaw being in this situation,'

May 02, 08 - 08:14 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

Ahem, I am here, well and enjoying my music bought from Microsoft's great site! All downloaded on my wonderful Zune.

This is just a small blip on Microsoft's overall plan to serve its customers better. After all, not even Microsoft is totally perfect. Like you MAC users try to make Apple out to be...

Your Potential. Our Passion.

May 02, 08 - 12:12 pm Comment from: Sammer

"Microsoft general manager Rob Bennett told CNet last week that continued support for Music Store purchases was impractical, and that the focus should instead be placed on the Zune."

Why, because Microsoft is such a poor, cash strapped corporation it can't afford to run the license servers?

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