“Back when I was a formal competitive analyst, I worked with one of the most advanced teams in the technology market. While we paled when compared to the vastly better funded and staffed teams in the pharmaceuticals industry, in our own industry, we were market leading. Part of what we did was profile CEOs to forecast future moves based on personality, age, health and past behavior,” Rob Enderle writes for TechNewsWorld.
Enderle writes, “For Apple, profiling Steve Jobs would probably give a more accurate measure of where that company is going than anything else, much like profiling Larry Ellison would do in Oracle’s case. As I, and others, have commented lately, however, Jobs isn’t looking healthy of late and his age does appear to be catching up with him. This suggests retirement or another path may be looking more and more attractive to him.”
“Jobs isn’t much of a technology buyer, but he did sell Next to Apple and, more recently, Pixar to Disney. Recall that he had been planning to completely separate from Disney before this move. This suggests that, perhaps now that his health isn’t what it once was, we may see a trend toward selling properties to other entities. This trend may be likely to accelerate as time goes on,” Enderle writes.
Enderle writes, “In addition to this, Jobs in the past was serving in a senior government position and rumor has it he only lost that when some of his questionable past practices came to light — which made the then-Clinton administration nervous. He is in a much better position now, in terms of popularity, and could likely play a big role in the next cycle of national elections but would need the freedom from Apple to do it properly.”
“He can’t sell to Microsoft. The antitrust issues alone would be near impossible to overcome. He can’t sell to Dell or HP because they simply wouldn’t buy. He can’t sell to Sony because culturally, it would be a train wreck, and Sony doesn’t have the resources. Of the new age companies (Google, Yahoo, etc.) that might be able to afford Apple, only Google is rumored to be looking at making a hardware play, and that firm really wants to take Microsoft on head to head. Google is certainly building that massive backbone of a network for something,” Enderle writes.
“Culturally and physically, Apple and Google are relatively close, though, to make this work, both firms would need to continue to have diverse management teams. Too much integration would be a problem given Google’s lack of hardware knowledge. Still, the end result could be a platform play that eventually grows to rival .NET, and overnight, you have to admit, the result would change the landscape to an incredible degree. With Google’s CEO on the board, the transition could go amazingly easily,” Enderle writes. “I know, I know, merging with Google is probably as likely as Apple switching to Intel. Oh, wait …”
Full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “HOG” for the heads up.]
On Monday, August 14, Katie Cotton, Apple’s VP of worldwide corporate communications, stated that Apple CEO Steve Jobs’ “health is robust.” We don’t see an Apple-Google merger in the cards, but stranger things have happened. We think (hope?) Enderle’s reading more into an Apple board addition than is really there.
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Google CEO on Apple’s board opens up many possibilities, including outdueling Microsoft – August 31, 2006
Re: Google CEO elected to Apple Computer’s Board of Directors – August 30, 2006
Dvorak: Does Apple’s board addtion of Google’s Schmidt portend Apple-Sun merger? – August 30, 2006
Apple and Google cozy up to make Microsoft jealous – August 30, 2006
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time for the hit police…
Hmmmmm, all I can say is “Enderle: BS artist extrodinare!!! ” He hates anything apple (JMHO) so of course Apple must be sold to someone, just so they can dissapear.
N.
Grows to rival “.NET”? .NET can’t even rival .NET.
Apple is growing business and evolving internally as well. If there is going to be a merger it is not Jobs selling Apple to Google (you must be Enderle to think that) but why not Apple acquiring a control over Google and integrating it? A Google for Mac only developments.
MDN “wrong” so even that might be baseless speculation.
Note to Enderle: Apple did not sell to Intel. The parallel is stupid: Oh, wait, Apple switched to Intel thence Jobs might truly going to sell to Google.
Oh, wait… YOU are Enderle…
Not his worst idea ever…but still probably won’t happen. Maybe that’s what Apple means when it says “it’s showtime”. Announce new ipods, new imacs, and a new corporate merger. that would give new meaning to the phrase “oh, and just one more thing…”
forget Apple and Google…i’m predicting yet another merger between Enderle’s foot and his mouth. remember: you read it here first.
MDN: “might,” as in “although it MIGHT be his thumb and his arse. i’m not completely certain of the details.”
Look back at the full history of Enderle articles. This guy has almost NEVER been right on ANY topic in the past. Check it out! His articles speak for themselves! This guy is pure speculation & imagination… he just pulls ideas out of his ass on a regular basis.
Enderle, Enderle, fly away home,
Your house is on fire and your children have gone ….
I’ll have what HE’S having!
Well that confirms it then: If Rob thinks its gonna happen, it won’t!
Well, just checked the Big Board . . . and AAPL is sitting at $70.51, probably due to the coming September 12 event and rumors such as this.
I just wonder where that genius “Stock Boy” is right now? You know, the puffed-up BIWfinancial guru who asserted that AAPL was heading into the $47 range and that only a moron would buy shares in the low $50’s.
WHERE ARE YOU NOW, STOCK BOY? Still trying to cover your “shorts”? Dude, you’re behind $23 per share right now, with more pain to come. If you’re weren’t such an a**hole in your MDN postings, I might feel sorry for you.
But that ain’t the case. You buttered your bread; enjoying the sour dough taste?
To MDN:
It’s clear the Enderle and Dvorak are only writing these articles for high page view counts and not because of any journalistic value or factual basis. In the future, please end these articles not with:
“Full article here.”
and instead end them with
“Due to the lack of knowledge, intelligence, and any journalistic integrity on the part of Rob Enderle and John Dvorak, I will no longer provide links to articles that are designed not to inform you, but merely to drive traffic to their respective sites to provide advertising revenue. If you are interested in reading the full article, feel free to Google it.”
Or some such……
Just an idea….
Enderle is such a fool. If we assume that everything he says is true about Jobs health etc., Enderle is still wrong about any merger plans.
Why? Simple.
At Next and Pixar both, Jobs owned the lion’s share of stock. To extricate himself from those companies meant selling his stock.
Jobs doesn’t own any stock in Apple. At best he holds stock options (not the same thing).
If Jobs wanted to withdraw from Apple management he could do so simply by grooming a replacement for himself. This does not require a merger, buyout or takeover with/by another firm.
For all of Enderle’s backpatting over where he has worked in the past, he hasn’t got anything right vis-a-vis Apple. My guess is that Enderle was an intern, and never allowed to go anywhere near a white paper (except to read it).
DreamTheEndless…
Maybe a warning like:
Troll Road ahead.
Come on guys, Rob was, to quote him “Back when I was a formal competitive analyst, I worked with one of the most advanced teams in the technology market. While we paled when compared to the vastly better funded and staffed teams in the pharmaceuticals industry, in our own industry, we were market leading” the man. He’s gotta be right.
NOT
DreamTheEndless,
a good idea.
“Jobs isn’t much of a technology buyer, but he did sell Next to Apple and, more recently, Pixar to Disney.
It could be argued that Jobs is a very savvy technology buyer.
He did, after all, pester Spielberg to sell him Pixar back in 1985 which, at the time, wasn’t doing much financially. But under Jobs’ direction, he and Lasseter began producing a string of monumental animations that would salvage Disney’s reputation on the animation front. So all in all, I’d say that was a genius-like technology buy and an even greater sale.
With NeXt, it proved that even wicked-smart people can’t create a whole new platform out of thin air and not without a lot of help from external sources, anyway. He took that company as far as he could while still trying to maintain some joy for life and when that became too much he gave new life to a floundering Apple Computer.
Jobs is the consummate salesman.
He sold Pixar to Disney because being full-time CEO of two major technology players can rob you of quality of life.
Pixar is in good hands with Disney.
As far as I’m concerned Jobs proved to be the salvation of both Apple Computer and Disney animation. So, I’d say he knows more about the face of technology than some wannabe, now as of late, informal, un-competitive analcyst who now works in his pajamas with feet.
Dream the Endless…
But what would be your keywords?
“Know-nothing bozo”
“Windows-shill”
“Apple-hating asshat”
If google buys Apple they will open OSX.
They did it with everything else they have purchased.
Wow, is Enderle as much of a buffoon as he appears to be?
“Recall that he had been planning to completely separate from Disney before this move. This suggests that, perhaps now that his health isn’t what it once was, we may see a trend toward selling properties to other entities.”
Uh, Rob, every other “competitive analyst” saw this as a negotiating tactic, to force Disney into acting proactively to court Pixar. That’s why Jobs managed to sell Pixard to Disney for a huge premium, and why Pixar people basically took over Disney’s animation units.
But obviously, the technical analysis escapes you, so I’ll have to put it another way.
It’s called “playing hard to get,” Rob. But I suspect you don’t have much experience in this arena, as most normal people first encounter this phenomenon while dating.
I have no idea who Enderle is and don’t care. I’d love to see Apple and Google merge — I can’t imagine better leverage for Apple in the consumer desktop content delivery battle.. seems like a perfect marriage to me.
G4Dualie…
Actually, it was George Lucas not Steven Spielberg. Or “Bearded Guy No.1” rather than “Bearded Guy No.2” as the kid who played “Short-Round” in “Temple of Doom” used to refer to them when communicating with his mother.
Pixar was originally just another division of Lucasfilm, employing Ed Catmull and Alvy Ray Smith who developed Renderman. The Renderman concept was eventually spun off into Pixar – still owned by Lucasfilm – and the company produced a dedicated and quite expensive rendering machine (called the Pixar Image Computer) that used some sophisticated hardware to optimise the performance of Renderman.
John Lasseter joined relatively late in this part of the story – having been fired by Disney (how ironic that he and Jobs share such a similar biographical arc) – and effectively became the story-telling soul of the company.
It could work, it could work very well. I don’t think its a “perfect marriage” though. Perfect marriages require both love and convenience, this marriage would only offer convenience; and I’m not really sure how much of that.
There probably some areas where Apple and Google would benefit each other administratively, but I’m not clear exactly how Google helps Apple, or anyone else, level the OS playing field.
I think Enderle has screwed the pooch with his facts. It wasn’t Steve Jobs who was being considered for a government position, it was Sulley. Sculley had worked tirelessly for the Clintons and was, according to Apple Confidential, only removed from consideration as vice president because of his divorce. A cabinet post may have also been considered but it was Sculley, not Jobs, who was in line for the government job.
Wow, is Enderle as much of a buffoon as he appears to be?
No, he’s probably more of a buffoon than he appears to be.
Remember, all of this stuff that he writes has been through a self-censoring editing process and all of the crap he supplies through his rent-a-quote ‘consultancy’ service is edited by someone else.
I could make better predictions or give a more accurate analysis by gutting a chicken or reading tea leaves in the bottom of a cup.
“Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “HOG” for the heads up”
No, thanks to Enderle for the ‘head’s up your ass’ moment. I was wondering where I was going to get today’s daily dose of disdain.
Hey, what’s better than first place at the Special Olympics? Not being Enderle.
Instead of asking the butcher about the quality of his meat, Enderle would rather stick his head up a bull’s ass and decide that it may, possibly, at some point in the future, emit a moo.
Seriously, the Mac rumor mill is reading way, way, WAY too much into Steve’s appearance at WWDC. It’s absurd to think that you could tell the future based on a single person’s overall appearance on a single hour of a single day. May as well stare at tea leaves. It’s just as likely that Steve had just bought a Nintendo DS and stayed up late at night playing Kirby’s Canvas Curse.
Even if his appearance WAS related to health problems, it doesn’t follow that his condition will become progressively worse. Anyone who has ever had health problems will know that you have a bad day from time to time, and it doesn’t mean that you are about to die or something.
I love the idea, but geez, talk about nothing but pure speculation.
and I anticipate a Rob Enderle and Paris Hilton merger, NOT !!!
I know I don’t care much what a financial analyst thinks, but what about an ex-analyst? I like to know how come Rob is an ex-analyst. Then again who cares…
If there was a Nobel Prize for contributions to “Idiocy” in the world..Enderle would have it, though it would be close tie with Thurrott, then Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Though the latter would of course win in the section “Evil”.
Enderle = (G)enderle(ss)
The only merge Enderle should contemplate is the one of his head with his butt hole.
G4Dualie:
Pixar is in good hands with Disney.
Actually, the folks from Pixar (Lasseter in particular) are now in control of Disney’s animation efforts, which IMO is way better for everyone. So it would be more accurate to say that Disney is in good hands with Pixar.
Let me get this right. Steve is in ill health and getting old, so he will want to get out of Apple where he enjoys what he does. In his “retirement”, he will then go on to a “senior government position”, where he can be overworked and make $200,000 per year for the privilege.
I guess he needs to move up from his $1 per year gig to pay the bills.
“Back when I was a formal competitive analyst”
As opposed to now, when you’re an “informal, noncompetitive analist”, Rob?
Geez, the guy’s ego knows no bounds. What a suck job.
Earndale isn’t telling the full story – reading between the lines, what his opening should say is:
“Back when I was a guineapig for the pharmaceuticals industry, in our own industry, we took lots of mind-bending drugs based on personality, age, health and past behavior,” Rob Enderle writes for TechNewsWorld.’
The man is still obviously still mental, and needs a full check-up from the neck-up…
MDN word: being; as in “Being Rob Earndale” (with appologies to John Malkovich)
Why doesn’t Apple buy Google?
Well for starters it would be impossible that’s why. Apple’s market cap is a big zero compared to Google’s, and Googles cash horde.
In short, it isn’t financially possible unless various banks are willing to loan Apple a massive amount of cash for this – which isn’t going to happen.
So there you go. Speculation aside, it isn’t financially possible. Check into this stuff before posting – it helps.
I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords
Apple will survive, and perhaps even grow based upon all that online ad revenue.
Steve Jobs was in a “senior government position”??? What the hell kind of crack is Enderle smoking these days or does he know something that we/I don’t.
Also, Steve-O is going nowhere until AT LEAST OS 11 is released. Just so he can turn to Steve Ballmer and say, “Look, ours goes to 11.”
“Jobs isn’t much of a technology buyer, but he did sell Next to Apple and, more recently, Pixar to Disney. This suggests that, perhaps now that his health isn’t what it once was, we may see a trend toward selling properties to other entities. This trend may be likely to accelerate as time goes on,” Enderle writes.”
Comical Rob E. has a reality distortion field far more powerful that Steve. Let’s take a look at his argument piece by piece:
“…he did sell Next to Apple…”
He sold his brilliant-but-about-to-go-bankrupt-because-they-were-hemorrhaging-money-and-Jobs-was-forced-to-pay-employees-out-of-his-own-pocket company to the company that he started, was driven out of, but had always been his baby, only to take over and save it from extinction. Not hard to see the reasons behind this sale.
“…and, more recently, Pixar to Disney…”
Come on Rob. Pixar was always a hobby company. He bought it for a song, and essentially let Ed Catmull and Alvy Ray Smith run it. Truth be told, had Steve been more hands on with Pixar, they probably would have been out of business before they ever had the chance to make their first movie. They succeeded in spite of Steve, not because of him. That’s not to take anything away from him, but he didn’t buy the company to make movies. To him, it was a computer company. Selling it was not as big a deal because, despite his title, he only spent one day a week there. Besides, since it made him the largest single shareholder of Disney, he automatically became more powerful. It doesn’t take a genius to figure this one out, but that explains why it went over Enderle’s head.
“Recall that he had been planning to completely separate from Disney before this move.”
It’s called business Rob. No, he probably wasn’t bluffing, but he forced Disney’s hand, and in the end he and Pixar got the better end of the stick. He remains a very powerful person in Hollywood, even more so than he was. He also now has influence over things that effect where Apple is headed, but from outside Apple, and Pixar essentially took over Disney’s animation division. It was a win-win situation. Like Obi-Wan, Steve is now about to become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
“This suggests that, perhaps now that his health isn’t what it once was, we may see a trend toward selling properties to other entities. This trend may be likely to accelerate as time goes on.”
What proof do you have that Steve’s health isn’t what it once was? This is a famous Comical Rob E. strategy: state a rumor as if it were fact, back it up with nothing, and hope people believe you. This is the basis for pretty much every comment I’ve ever read from him.
At least we have the comfort of knowing that his track record is so bad that, it he writes it, it’s almost guaranteed not to actually happen.
Apparently it’s legal to smoke crack where Rob lives.
Read between the lines of Rob article …
Back when I actually had a jobs and before the mental breakdown I use to make rational decisions and was coherent. I since lost it all and I blame Steve Jobs for it.
Also I blame the flying monkeys and elephants as well. Also that guy who laughs at me .. my computer smells funny and is sticky.
Rob is a genus that had a mental short circuit. (at least I hope that is what happened)
No need to say Enderle is a fool as he proves it with his writing — but then again, he gets paid despite his views, so maybe he’s smarter than we think.
Anyway, as a tech analyst myself, my first response is that these two companies are completely different and would not mesh.
Google is all about creating lots of cool, semi-finished products and seeing if the market cares — and polishing them over time if it does care. It’s always beta time at Google.
Apple is about making the unseen screw better than you need it and better than everybody else’s screw. It is about insane attention to detail (though not always executed).
Google owning/influencing Apple would wreck the Apple brand and kill off the premium that it now attracts. Apple owning Google would take the Google out of Google. Compare the ITMS with Google Video. Interchangeable? Nope.
Let’s keep them friends that can leverage each-other.
Enderle, like Dvorak, has never actually kissed a girl.
“He did, after all, pester Spielberg to sell him Pixar back in 1985 which, at the time, wasn’t doing much financially.”
Actually, it was George Lucas who owned Pixar back then.
Fun trivia: A week or so ago, one of the cable movie channels was showing Young Sherlock Holmes. I watched the movie years ago when it was in theatres and it was fun to see it again. Since I’d already seen it, I knew to sit through the credits.
Sure enough, in the credits, it is mentioned that one special effects scene was done by Pixar Animation, a division of LucasFilm.
Just made me chuckle…
Just so we all know that Enderle is on record as saying he is anal.
Fanatic Realist • Sep 05, 06 – 03:35 pm
G4Dualie…
Actually, it was George Lucas not Steven Spielberg.
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That’s right. I stand corrected. I was thinking Lucas but typed Speilberg, getting those two mixed up at times.
While I agree with TenaciousDNA that Disney [animation] is in good hands with Lasseter and Pixar, the same cannot be said about Disney as a whole simply because Disney is so much more than the animation studio.
Even if Steve Jobs’ health wasn’t “robust” we certainly wouldn’t hear it from Apple. The announcement will come within a week or two of his death. Likely, the announcement will be that he’s been hospitalized and within 24-48 hours of that, we will be notified of his untimely death.
The sale of Pixar to Disney, the tag team keynote address, the Google announcement…
It’s unfortunate, but my gut feeling is that Steve Jobs won’t be around for next years Macworld keynote.
Conspiracy: you are sick in the head. If we were all to vote between him or you, I doubt you’d last out the hour…
Apple and Google are natural allies against Microsoft. I do expect cooperation between them, but I do not see a merger as making sense. I expect the two to set up some win/win/lose games w/r to Apple/Google/Microsoft.
Pixar was ready to walk away from Disney because Disney wanted to keep the ultra-sweet deal it made back when Pixar was nothing. After 6 huge hits, and many Disney misfires, the landscape was changed greatly. Pixar is the darling of Hollywood animation, and it was about to have all the other studios lined up to court it for the distribution agreement. Notice that Disney didn’t just buy Pixar, but Pixar really absorbed Disney Animation (and on day 1 after the “merger” Toy Story 3 was immediately killed).
That has nothing to do with Steve’s health; it had to do with the contract expiring and Pixar able to command what it wanted – control of the animation movie industry.
He’s been smpking that weed again…
I see two vastly innovative and intuitive companies who respect each other seeing a much more positive future being allies rather than wicked competitors. Most of all, they can both see future better than most and the combined force in certain areas is in it self a force against
the non-innovative and non-intuitive monopolies such as Micro$in and Dell No.
Enderballs is just dreaming. I can also imagine a beautiful baby from Tera Banks and Tiger Woods, but the chance of that is about the same as me getting stuck in the heart by a stingray. Man, I have to say I am really gonna miss the crocodile guy! Anybody willing to step into his footsteps?
Classic Enderle:
“Jobs isn’t much of a technology buyer, but he did sell Next to Apple and, more recently, Pixar to Disney”
He also bought the computer graphics dept of Lucasfilm (rebranding it as Pixar) for a 10 million, selling it Disney 20 years later for 4.7 billion, so he IS a pretty good tech buyer then isn’t he?
Usual Enderle stuff, badly researched, ill conceived bullshit.
Who pays this guy, oh yeah right, nobody – he works for himself. Makes sense.
This guy is on par with Dvorak for sensationalist crap. Have you listened to TWIT recently? It’s one huge advert for Dvorak’s blog. It’s funny to hear him be corrected by other guests when he completely gets things wrong however.
Enderle seems to have deliberately taken out one vital point. Steve Jobs DOESN”T OWN APPLE!!! So under Enderle’s logic WHY WOULD HE SELL SOMETHING HE DOESN’T OWN???
Georgy Porgy:
“Man, I have to say I am really gonna miss the crocodile guy! Anybody willing to step into his footsteps?”
Well, it’s a really dangerous job, with the chance that (if you don’t really know what you’re doing), you could get bitten in half by a croc at any moment.
How about Enderle or Dvorak? Neither of them have the charm, wit or experience to fill the croc guys shoes, but then again, they don’t have the wit, charm or experience to be a tech analyst either, and with any luck, a croc might fancy a snack, (if it were blind, deaf, and had no taste buds).
I’m gonna miss him too by the way…
Who owns Apple? Certainly not Steve Jobs.
Truth be told, had Steve been more hands on with Pixar, they probably would have been out of business before they ever had the chance to make their first movie. They succeeded in spite of Steve, not because of him. That’s not to take anything away from him, but he didn’t buy the company to make movies. To him, it was a computer company. Selling it was not as big a deal because, despite his title, he only spent one day a week there.
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