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"Journalism" at it's apex here people. All these college degrees and people still cannot write well.

People need to learn to take a joke. Talk about thin-skinned!

Hello! You can't actually "photocopy" software features. It's all meant tongue-in-cheek.

MDN,
Sometimes you get a little over the top when it comes to talking about Apple. But here, I think you were right on the money. When eWeek tries to speak out of both sides of the mouth, they just dribble.

It seems to be happening more and more lately, too. Writers complaining about Apple but having nothing to show vs Microsoft.

--- Hey, have a nice weekend.

N.

strange. why write an article, and then essentially say that you don't agree with yourself?

RELAX MDN!
You are too touchy (That's why I believe others on this site are correct when they have said that they suspect the editors here to be right leaning).
Which is fine, but I have always observed that the farther right the lean, the more and louder the bluster, to cover up the insecurity, which is exponentially greater.

THE AUTHOR WAS NOT BEING LITERAL.
He meant, I believe, the choice of terminoligy to be not of his liking?

Perhaps he himself could have chosen better words to convey his thought.

Funny, when I saw the Vista2.0 banner I thought it was a bad move by Apple because it automatically dumbed down the value of Leopard.

I think it was excessive. Excessively stupid. Vista is Tubgirl. Why would you want to call yourself Tubgirl 2.0?

We'll eventually see Vista 2.0 around 2012 or 2013.

It's funny how this guy seems to undermine his whole argument.

Fool!

Apple’s claim that Leopard represents ‘Vista 2.0’ is excessive

Excessive indeed, there is no way Vista 2 can be anything like Mac OS X Lepoard.

Vista 2.0 will be issued as a service pack 5 minutes after Vista 1.0 will be released, if ever.

I can't wait to see what Apple can do with a nearly 2 year development cycle on a stable, solid code base. WWDC was nothing - Leopard is going to rock!

To quote Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis."

"we have to begin by saying that Microsoft has seriously drained (and perhaps even poisoned) the once-overflowing well of good will that it has long enjoyed among application developers."

I like to have fun as much as the next guy, and so I comment on lots of stuff here on MDN. A lot of it does not matter much, and a lot of what we Macheads think and feel don't amount to much at all.

But what is seriously going on in the computer industry re Microsoft is summed up in the above quote from our friendly author. Microsoft has seriously drained and poisoned the good will they once enjoyed.

Fact is, things are changing, have changed - it's a new day. Long live Apple, long live Macintosh.

We shall see. These arguments are stupid, though, until they're both out in the wild. This is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I say eight.

Apple’s claim that Leopard represents ‘Vista 2.0’ is excessive

First off, Vista 1.0 has to ship.

And second, it'll take until Vista 3.0 for MS to catch Leopard. By then it'll be 2018.

So saying Leopard represents Vista 2.0 is excessive. MS can only dream to catch up that soon.

Im quite excited to see the features that were omitted from the WWDC keynote. I just have a feeling that Apple has a nukyaler bomb up their sleeve.

New Tagline:
Leopard - The unVista

I think the guys got a good point.

How could Jobs lower himself to compare the elegance and power of Leopard to Vaporware 2.0?

Heck Tiger is 15 months old now, is way beter than Vaporware 1.0 ever will be when it hits the streets, and will in all likelihood be way better than Vaporware 2.0 no matter how many years IT takes to hit the street.


Imagine how many generations ahead Leopard's successor will be to DistantVista 1 & 2.0....

The wait for Vista has been excessive, for sure.

Anybody touches my stuff? I'll kill ya!


(re: To quote Sgt. Hulka: "Lighten up, Francis.")


Great lines.


And from the article:
"ervasive and largely automatic search"

Does that mean it stutters? Ers everywhere!

How do these guys get jobs writing?!!!!!! If I promise to spell correctly can I get published too??

3.0?

Me thinks Windows weenies are taking the Vista 2.0 jab a little too seriously.

It's always instructive to walk into the other camp, and ask questions. Like all of us here, I've got many diehard PC/Windows friends, and some are actually sane.

Very few have advanced any statements about Vista. But few complain about re-builiding their systems either. I listened mutely to a conversation between two such fellows a while back, and they were comparing notes verbally about Registry use, and maintenance thereof. There was a suggestion of "this is a valuable skill," much as you might discuss synchronizing carbs on a high performance aviation engine.

I wheeled away.

Oil and water.

Vista version 2.0 is a bigger fantasy than releasing Vista at all. The Planet of the Ballmers in the distant future will hurl feces at Vista 2.0 beta and poke it with sticks to rid it from infection. Those sticks run fifty bananas a month on a very fair rental plan. A stone monolith must figure into this somehow.

Jobs in WRONG & it's just plain nonsense to suggest that Leopard is equal to Vista 2. It is more like Vista 5.

The day Vista ships is the day Ballmer leaves a chair intact.

P.S. re: A stone monolith must figure into this somehow.

Thus spake Zunathustra?

It's called cheerleading for your developers. Analyzing the decimal point to death and saying the Vista is more like Panther 1.0 and Leopard is more like Vista 1.2 than 2.0 is missing the point.

Take it easy, Mr. Coffee (try some de-caf). You don't need to go into an exhaustive analysis of the Leopard = Vista 2.0 comment. It's just a marketing one-liner. How can Leopard be Vista 2.0 when we don't even know what Vista 1.0 will look like? It may turn out that even Tiger = Vista 2.0, by the time Microsoft gets done gutting what is actually released. Then Leopard will be Vista 3.0.

Does this guy not realise that the claim of Leopard being Vista 2.0 is meant to be humorous? It's a joke, tongue-in-cheek. Most Mac fans realise that it's likely to be true but even if it's not they realise that it's a playful taunt, preaching to the faithful as much as it is a definite statement.

Okay... make it Vista v1.9

Or just make it Vis. This would have been Longho if they hadn't changed the project name.

As Leopard is a quad binary (32 bit, 64 bit, PPC and Intel) I'd say it'll still be ahead of VISTA 4.5...

Great take MDN, congrats.

Ampar - <u>Planet of the Ballmers<u>

Scene from end of movie:

Steve Jobs riding horse down desolate beach with hot babe...
After a minute, Steve looks up and suddenly dismounts...
He stares up at something (not yet shown), then falls to the ground on hands and knees screaming:

THIS

What did he see??? -

A tattered OS X Leopard Banner that was on a high pole, now buired almost up to the top with sand......

[Ballmer had to use the nuke on Cupertino]

Sound of waves crashing on shore...
Fade to black............................

^^^ Correction: [Ballmer had to use the nuke on Cupertino. It was his only option after releasing Vista to critical failure]

^^Uh-oh, MacDUDE"S BACK^^

@Always Right...

"You are too touchy (That's why I believe others on this site are correct when they have said that they suspect the editors here to be right leaning)"

Lol... and certainly the left is never touchy or thin skinned.

S-

"The unVista"
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!

This clown is making comparisons between two operating systems that have yet to ship.

What an idiot.

"To claim, though, that Leopard represents 'Vista 2.0' is excessive."


haha... why? the best features of leopard won't be released until next year... and you think Vista can keep up?

*whoooooosh*

Vista 2.0 excessive?? I think Apple is being kind.

VISTASCHMISTA.....

"Vista 2.0 excessive?? I think Apple is being kind."

No.

Apple is being generous.

To a fault.

"Coffee writes, 'Vista was formerly envisioned as a sophisticated reinvention of associative storage, coupled to networked resources with powerful communication frameworks and made accessible to users with dramatic new data and multimedia visualizations.'"

Dear God that made my head hurt.

Go easy on Coffee, I read eWeek and he is a regular user of Macs & speaks well of them often. Granted, the magazine is an enterprize IT publication so Macs aren't written about every week, but Apple has the respect of most everyone at eWeek that writes about Macs.

I've used macs since '84 & depend on them for my business, so I dig 'em just fine, but the kneejerk rabid stuff in comments here these days is a bit over the top. I think kids who failed English in school shouldn't slam jouralists just for not being enthusiastic enough about an operating system...

I mean get real.

I tend to agree with his article. I, like a lot of others, was looking forward to seeing what Apple did this time with its O/S, quite frankly I was left very underwhelmed, and uninspired. Every feature show seems to have been done somewhere else before, and none of them particularly endeared me towards its purchase next year. I like the idea of 'Time Machine' but I think it looked absolutely tacky in its presentation, is it little wonder this platform is limited to creative types instead of the masses.

... LEOPARD is the ANTIVISTA! Shreeeeeeeek!

Actually, I think "Vista 2.0" is a really good way to describe Leopard.

As many have pointed out, there are some features of Leopard that have similar features in Vista or Windows XP. Time Machine is everyone's favorite example, so let's use that.

Vista/XP have a back-up utility. You can back up and restore files that you may have lost. Leopard's Time Machine does the same thing. However, Leopard also allows you access to the back-up from the application whose information you are trying to retrieve.

Jobs' demo was a perfect example. Suppose you accidentally delete a person from your contact list in Windows Mail/Outlook Express/whatever. How would you get it back? How would you know what file your contact list is in? Vista/XP's restore is pretty useless in a situation like that. Whereas, in Time Machine, you hit the magic "Time Machine" button from within the application and you search through your changes until you find the right one.

I'm sure some future release of Vista will have a feature akin to this because it just makes sense. There are plenty of other examples and, to me, that's why Leopard really deserves the "Vista 2.0" moniker.

Dave, it's true neither have been released but with one small difference. We are sure one of the two OSes will ship next spring. Not entirely sure of the other.