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Nov 06, 09 - 10:51 am Comment from: January 24, 1984

Nokia sees its own decline......

Hurry up and release those multi-touch phones you're sitting on, Nokia. Steve is waiting.

Nov 06, 09 - 11:00 am Comment from: Jubei

Nokia has no answer for the iPhone. Nokia can't build anything close to the iPhone. Nokia decides to sue rather than compete. Nokia = FAIL.

Aren't the cell phone functions handled by third party chips? Aren't those third parties already paying Nokia license fees?

Boycott Nokia and all things Finland, until either the suit or the company is Finnished.

Rip NOKIA a new asshole!

Exactly! Wouldn't the chip companies that make the cell radio, etc already be paying those licensing fees to Nokia? So, why would Apple pay them again? Apple is, only putting together off-the-shelf hardware components, like it did with the iPod.

I'm in ?? What else does Finland have to boycott ??

Nov 06, 09 - 11:40 am Comment from: Rob

@So Su(o)mi
Ha, ha, ha, ggod one, they are Finnished.

Well pickled herrings are of my menu, or is that only Sweden? In which case I would only be hitting Ericsson. Must admit I rather think that this may be an attempt by Nokia to get entry to some iPhone patents re multi touch, don't think that is likely to happen somehow Nokia.

Nov 06, 09 - 12:31 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

"We're the only company that owns the whole widget -- the hardware, the software, and the operating system. We can take full responsibility for the user experience. We can do things that the other guy can't do."

– Steve Jobs 2002

I think it's time for a reality check here..

Firstly, if somebody infringed Apple's iPhone patents you would want that party to be on trial ASAP, that's why its hard to believe that behind these comments there would be any substance, it's really pure mac fanboyism and maybe a feeling of being hurt when somebody "dares" to sue Apple for patent infringement.

Nokia is not trying to stop sales of the iPhone and isn't even asking for money damages beyond interest on past due royalties, it just wants a fair license rate for its patents as would Apple if the situation would be reversed.

Apple and Nokia have been talking about this issue for a long time already and as stated in the article Nokia has cross-licensing deals with 40 companies, including all top cellphone makers but Apple.

Nokia has far and away the most patents judged essential to the operation of GSM, UMTS and WiFi, now..the patents involved might not "sound" as sexy as some cool patents regarding iPhones UI and multi-touch, but they have nontheless required lot of time and money for Nokia. If Apple uses these patents, then they should pay for them, no question about it.

These 10 patents are rock-solid, the ones that simply can't be avoided by GSM, UMTS, or WiFi devices. Based on probability alone, it's almost certain that the iPhone infringes at least some of those 10 patents.

iPhone has been a huge success and it's almost certain that some cell phone vendor will try to use Apple's iPhone patents without permission, so Apple will ultimately be a net winner even in the war of patents.

It just to show how CRAPple's photocopiers are always on and looking to steal other companies ideas and technologies. Once a while Microsoft bring out innovative ideas/products while CRAPple copies.

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Trying to make Nokia seem like the good guy is nonsense. They dragged their feet and fought Qualcomm all the way when they were infringing on Qcomm's patents. Turnaround is fairplay.

Nov 06, 09 - 01:39 pm Comment from: M

how does nokia have a patent on wifi? it's a standard

Well if Apple believes it has a case against Nokia or that patent and technology developed may have bearing on it's iPhone royality, then Apple should use the court system to settle it. Just as Nokia is doing.
The best way to clear the questions out is to recieve a definitive answer- legally.
I think it is fair and the fact that Apple has the funds to do so is also a factor in Apple decision to move forward.
I would do the same, if in question or the parties has different view points.

Nov 06, 09 - 05:43 pm Comment from: 6Tacos

Who is to say the reason Apple is not paying because the licensing fee may not be fair? I don't see Nokia holding a sign saying "License Fee only $$". Heck! Nokia could be charging Apple twice as much for the licensing fee that other companies are paying for all we know. In my opinion going to court might be the best way to have a fix rate on this particular licensing fee.

Apple is too great to license patented technology. 40 other suckers did that but Apple does not have to. Suck it, Nokia!

There are going to be lawyers driving some nice new MBs and BMWs when this is done. They will have nice college funds saved for their kids.

"Apple is too great to license patented technology. 40 other suckers did that but Apple does not have to. Suck it, Nokia!"

Will you feel the same when other companies states the same thing about Apple licensed technology?

Yeah, didn't think so ...

Nov 08, 09 - 03:08 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

RealityCheck

your post is all well and good but we have no proof any patents were violated, nor that Nokia did not already get licencing fees for networking chips inside the iPhone.

Let's wait until we get some verified facts before we jump to hasty conclusions.

Apple sucks! They are so protective of their "apple" trademark that they've sued tens of companies, incl. the Beatles. Also most recently they file a trademark complaint against a supermarket chain in Australia for their new logo, which is an apple but no where near the same. So suck it in Apple! Nokia is going to take $2bn from Apple for knowingly using their patents. These patents were secured back in the days when Apple didn't know it's ass from it's head and certainly had no idea how to make a mobile phone. iPhone could not have been built without using the patented technology but they didn't want to pay for it. Well now it's time to pay! haha!