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FOX Business: Steve Jobs turned failure into success
Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 10:26 AM EST

"Steve Jobs could have been a failure," David Asman writes for FOX Business. "He dropped out of college, even though his parents struggled to get him there. And, ten years after starting one of the most innovative computer companies in the world, he was fired by the board. Imagine getting fired from a multi-billion dollar company that you started in your own garage."

Asman writes, "What stopped Steve Jobs from being a failure was one simple thing: Attitude. Here’s what he told a graduating class at Stanford University in 2005: I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life."

"We can’t all go on to lead the kind of life that Steve Jobs did after he was fired. But we can duplicate the attitude that he brought to his getting fired. He turned what could have been a humiliating job loss into an incredible period of growth. He turned failure into success," Asman writes. "All by attitude. It won’t buy you dinner, but it can help turn your life around."

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Apr 12, 08 - 09:39 am Comment from: bioness

Job's come back and the success he brings, means he's a force no one can stop except God...

Apr 12, 08 - 09:47 am Comment from: Jobs

Lot's of stories these days about how individuals can change things, but the real problem is that we've gone back to the days of robber barons.

Americans in particular need to understand that publicly traded corporations are not American, and they have no loyalty to this country or any other. They see themselves as above nationality, with their only responsibility to their largest share holders.

Apr 12, 08 - 09:49 am Comment from: almux

A successfull life is simply to be happy... nothing to do with fame...

Apr 12, 08 - 09:56 am Comment from: shen

"Lot's of stories these days about how individuals can change things, but the real problem is that we've gone back to the days of robber barons. "

duh, why else would everyone being pushing stories about how the individual can change things unless they can't....

you don't tell stories about being freed from slavery if you aren't a slave.

Apr 12, 08 - 10:01 am Comment from: iMac

I use an Apple computer. SJ's success simply means that I can enjoy progressively better and better computing experiences instead of wallowing in the mire that is Windows.

It was funny, my buddy came over and saw my iMac. "That's a nice monitor" he said.
"Er, that's the whole computer", I replied, to which he looked under the desk to make sure I wasn't having him on.
"Ok, so where's the CD drive?" was the next question.

I love my iMac.

Apr 12, 08 - 10:19 am Comment from: qka

Bill Gates is a college dropout too.

The only difference is that his board never gave him the boot!

The MS board would have never rehired him! For the whole world, that's too bad.

Apr 12, 08 - 10:49 am Comment from: @Jobs

You are an idiot. You clearly don't know who the "largest shareholders" of those corporations are do you?

It may surprise you but you and me and the rest of us. We all have a stake on those corporations doing well, because we depend on them having done well when we retire.

Take your ridiculous communist views an put them where you want, but not in front of me.

Apr 12, 08 - 11:15 am Comment from: ApplePi

Which goes to show you that college isn't everything.

Happiness is usually found when you realize you don't need "stuff" to be so.

Apr 12, 08 - 11:25 am Comment from: nfq

@@Jobs. Please, keep your conservative insults to yourself. No need to come and flame here. Really, what the hell makes you presume 'ridiculous communist views' are Jobs' view? And if they are, who are you to judge anyone?

Seriously, your kind of flaming posts really piss me off...

Apr 12, 08 - 11:29 am Comment from: larry turnauer

"Shareholders" are those who, literally, hold shares. This is a different concept than "stakeholders."

And corporate responsibility has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Communism.

I read in somebody's biography that Steve couldn't afford to go to college, but attended classes anyway, and after he got busted, they let him stay as a non-credited observer (there's some term for that, but I can't remember). I'm not sure he could be classified a "dropout."

Apr 12, 08 - 11:38 am Comment from: macaholic

the phrase is 'audited", for attending a class without being marked etc.

Apr 12, 08 - 12:09 pm Comment from: Rip Ragged

How does a discussion about Steve Jobs becoming successful after apparent failures degrade to pissing on each others' shoes about shareholders versus communism?

Dumbest damn thing I ever saw.

Apr 12, 08 - 12:11 pm Comment from: matt

i resound imac's sentiment - my mom did the same thing when i gave her my old emac. =)

anyhow, yes, it's great that jobs got back into apple. the nextstep-based mac os x is what won me over.

Apr 12, 08 - 12:21 pm Comment from: @ paranoid mentions of communism etc.

Why do brainwashed fools call the notion of wealth being shared Communism?

Do you blasted nitwits not see that the whole frickin PLANET is a 'Community' of Flora and Fauna?

Wealth is with the Robber Baron, then taken away by the mob at the Palace gates.
Its life - it encompasses Communism, Capitalism, and a whole host of other descriptions of the way things ebb and flow.

Its a WORD, dummy. Open your eyes and shut up.
Smoke a Cuban cigar. Read Marx. Read Ayn Rand - she was a communist and didnt even know it.
Or was she a Lesbian? Who cares.

I propose that mentioning Communism is the the same as calling someone a Nazi - it essentially means that intelligent discussion is over.

As for Steve Jobs, he wisely noticed that failure is the start of success - its the Ebb and Flow, baby, the Ebb and the Flow.
Feel it. Love it. Dig it. Embrace it.

Apr 12, 08 - 12:29 pm Comment from: JWSC

Do not trust Apple software implementation of RAID.

About 18 months ago I bought two 500GB external drives with the intent of setting them up in a RAID 1 (mirrored) configuration. I did this to prevent data loss when a primary drive goes bad, which happens too frequently.

A couple weeks ago I started having problems with my RAID set and the volume started to demount without warning. Although my iMac could detect the drives it was not capable or remounting them as a RAID set so I had to reboot the machine to get it to mount properly (annoying).

The Disk Repair utility detected that one of the drives was indeed bad. Not knowing how to proceed I made an appointment with a genius at the local Apple store. He was able to demote the bad disk from the RAID set and then reformat it so that Disk Repair found it good again. But he could find no way to promote it back to the RAID 1 set (thing turned out to be a very good thing). The only thing that could be done was to create a new RAID 1 set with the two drives, which would wipe all the data from both drives in the process.

The genius did say that Apple’s software implementation of RAID was “not very smart” and that if I really wanted to do RAID properly I needed to buy a Mac Pro or an Xserve and get a RAID card installed (I may do this at some point). But for the time being I bought a third 500GB external drive and went home.

As I started to back up data from my good drive I began to notice that it didn’t have all the pictures, music, and other files it should have. After a panic attack, I launched Disk Warrior and scanned the formerly bad reformatted drive (380GB of data took about 7 hours). It turned out that the so-called bad drive actually had all the good data. So I started the recovery process and am still sorting through thousands of duplicate files.

Apple’s software RAID implementation failed me badly! I suggest that Apple deactivate it and tell everyone to use Time Machine instead.

So someone tell me, what happens when your Time Machine drive starts to go bad? It will eventually. Is there a migration solution out there? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Apr 12, 08 - 12:32 pm Comment from: JWSC

Sorry. Wrong thread. My comments were for the "Seattle Times reviews Apple Time Capsule" article.

Apr 12, 08 - 12:40 pm Comment from: Wrong thread? Hmmm...

A RAID array is way too complex for a simple backup requirement.
Modern drives dont fail very often - automated daily backups and backups of important work immediately should suffice for 99% of users.

Apple's 'implementation' of RAID didnt fail you - to blame Apple is a typical response of those with less knowledge than they require.

A 500Gb drive failed in a few months? Unusual. Did you by any chance buy the cheap Western Digital drives that are available at Walmart and Costco?

Forget RAID, its not for consumers - its a Pro app. for Server use, mostly.

If you want 5-10 year archive backups, use DVD discs.

Apr 12, 08 - 12:50 pm Comment from: JWSC

The external drives were brand new LaCie drives I bought at the Apple store. As far as RAID being too complex, I’m no dummy as far as computers are concerned and I think I’m technically knowledgeable enough to handle it. And I don’t really want a consumer solution. I want one that’s reliable. The Apple store genius himself said Apple onw software solution was “not very smart”, his words not mine.

Apr 12, 08 - 12:52 pm Comment from: Speedyg

all software raids suck, I am not really a big fan of mirrors anyway. A file corruption is copied equally to both mirrors. If you get a directory corruption it will be copied to both drives. Mirroring is for hard drive failure not for system corruption. This is why you use a backup instead of relying on a mirror as your backup. If I did use a raid it would be a hardware one and you don't have to get an xserve or a pro, you can buy an external raid system. Here's one although I don't care for mac sales return policy.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/usb/raid_1/Gmax

Apr 12, 08 - 12:55 pm Comment from: twilightmoon

JWSC: "Sorry. Wrong thread"

lol.. well your comments were at least more interesting than the communism vs robber barons nonsense.

Apr 12, 08 - 01:53 pm Comment from: Ampar

Re: " . . . more interesting . . . the communism vs robber barons nonsense."

I read that John D. Rockefeller Sr. often lamented as he aged that he couldn't throw a baseball like he could as a young boy. Would that make him a raider of the lost arc?

Apr 12, 08 - 02:37 pm Comment from: Brau

@Ampar

Lol! Very well constructed punnery. smile

Apr 12, 08 - 02:48 pm Comment from: Cubert

I completely understand Steve-O's comments about being fired. I got fired from my job in November (for shooting a porn) and the last 5 months of living on a severance package and looking for a new job has changed me and made me realize who I really am. I'm now soured on the practice of "corporate" medicine (I was in a big hospital before), and I'm trying to get a job with several of the free clinics here in Philly. Sometimes the worst events in life allow you to think about who you really are and what is important in life.

And, yes, I don't lie, and, yes, I am a freaky boy.

Apr 12, 08 - 03:05 pm Comment from: Ampar

Thanks, Brau. It's important to have a sturdy and stout bier upon construction.

Apr 12, 08 - 03:26 pm Comment from: neomonkey

In my neighborhood I see dudes with attitude every day, hip hop gangsta attitude.

"It's not your attitude but your aptitude that will determine the altitude you will achieve in life."

Apr 12, 08 - 04:13 pm Comment from: freebeer

No matter how many times these business writers/management gurus dissect the speech, they still get it wrong. It's not simply a "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again"... You can find Job's 2005 Stanford speech on You Tube. When you compare it to talks by other so-so leaders in our society or business world, you realized why Apple is what it is. Jobs keeps his attitude open to discoveries. Jobs' love of Art is why his products will always be more than just neat software/hardware. He wants to make things that will make you fall in love with again and again. Lastly, he knows his time on earth is limited, so he doesn't give a damn about others criticism. He just keeps doing things the way he does. Success will come when you do what you love.

Apr 12, 08 - 04:37 pm Comment from: Jeremy

@JWSC

You were trying to do a RAID 1 with two external USB LaCie drives connected to an iMac? That alone shows that you don't know what you are doing. Also, a failing drive is not Apple's fault.

You would have done better to buy a Time Capsule and an extra 500GB drive for the archive. Much cheaper, safer, more reliable etc.

Apr 12, 08 - 04:50 pm Comment from: Rip Ragged

This post – though not linked – is the feature attraction at the following link.

http://rip-ragged.com/dross/index.php/2008/04/nothing-to-say/#comments

Apr 12, 08 - 05:10 pm Comment from: HotinPlaya

@Cubert

shooting a porn? were you in it?
were freaks too, aff hotinplaya

Apr 12, 08 - 05:52 pm Comment from: Cubert

@HotinPlaya,
Yeah, I was in it. My friend, who has the web site, was the camera man. And his girlfriend, too.
wink

Apr 12, 08 - 06:23 pm Comment from: deepdish

Cubert,

if you don't post the video, we won't believe you.

Apr 12, 08 - 07:03 pm Comment from: Buster

Cubert - happy to hear you were canned, you certainly deserved it. Hopefully you won't get a job anywhere with any clinic. Stick to being a sick worthless sub-human, always best to do what you are best at.

Apr 12, 08 - 08:31 pm Comment from: Macromancer

"Take your ridiculous communist views an put them where you want, but not in front of me"

I would caution you not to go calling people communist, plastering labels on people for saying something that is fact. That corporations have no national allegiance is true. Perhaps you just don't want to face that, but it's true.

Communist? Perhaps the guy is, but you can't assume that by the simple comment he made. All I think he means is, people need to be aware of this fact and be cautious of it.

Apr 12, 08 - 08:31 pm Comment from: JWSC

@ Jeremy

Please read what I originally posted. I did this 18 months ago; before Time Machine and Time Capsule were around. Nor did I blame Apple for a failing hard drive; HD failures are a fact of life, which I why I was seeking a way to better secure my data. I do think Apple's RAID software implementation is useless because it doesn't tell you there's a problem during normal use and even when you know there's a problem recovery is very difficult. I now know that software implementations of RAID are inadequate. I get that. Lesson learned. Instead of playing the condescending know-it-all why not add something positive and informative to the discussion next time.

Apr 13, 08 - 07:39 am Comment from: @@Jobs

You need to understand that in a truly free market, every individual is a separate company, and there is no collusion between companies. That means no corporations and no unions to counter the corporations. Obviously, we don't live in a free market society. Your blind faith that we do is clouding your judgement, leading you to react poorly when others point out the significant flaws in the system we have.

Apr 13, 08 - 09:27 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Cubert

Have you thought about going into pron as a profession?
BTW, you rock, man. Fuck the bozos. What the world really needs though, is GOOD porn. I've never been interested in it because it's all so eye-clawingly bad that I end up laughing myself out of any kind of mood it might create. I've seen a few gothic vampire movies that were kinda cool. But I've still never seen one that I thought was a worthy piece of film in it's own right. I think Mulholland Drive was getting close to being a good prono until it turned back into a murder noir. But I swear, the crap I've seen that gets people excited... I guess when you've had sexuality so bred out of you by the puritanical bastards in charge it doesn't take much. I've always thought it was a plot to make it easier for ugly people to get laid. Seems to be working if even Carl Rove found a wife for a while.

Apr 13, 08 - 09:46 am Comment from: Ampar

"I think Mulholland Drive was getting close to being a good prono . . ."

Imagine "The Jerk" or "Clueless" as hardcore porn movies. Go on. Do it. I have.

Apr 13, 08 - 10:01 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Ampar

This chair, and this paddle game, and this ball-gag... and that's all I need.

Apr 13, 08 - 10:30 am Comment from: Ampar

Where the hell did I put my mop?

Apr 13, 08 - 11:12 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

{sings}

Iiiiiiii'm... picking out a dildo, for yoooooou...

Apr 13, 08 - 11:13 am Comment from: Cubert

@C1,
Here is my friend Scott's website that I did it for. He lives a few blocks away from me. Actually, the girl that you see in one of the video tours (the one being dragged off the couch) is the one I shot with - Misty. She wasn't just a "work thing".

http://www.holeandaheartbeat.com/

I had the video taken down as part of the severance package/hush money from the hospital, so it's not there anymore (but I do have pics from it still and Scott still has the video, too). I am the only guy on the site (the "talent" as he calls us) that doesn't have a tattoo or piercing, but there are other reasons for me being on it. wink

And, I expected a post something along the likes of what Buster said. That's all right - to each his own. I just see nothing wrong with doing something on my own time that is not illegal, and I certainly don't agree with all the moralistic @$$holes out there.

Apr 13, 08 - 12:31 pm Comment from: lemecdutex

Actually, the US, like most countries, is, and always has been a "mixed" economy. A purely communist economy cannot exist, since it gives no individual anything to live for, and it's individual production that makes it possible for even the non-productive to survive. It's subsistence-level (at best) production.

If you want to compare systems, note that where we have fewer controls, the lives of the entire society are improved as a whole (though that is not a proper justification for fewer controls, just a byproduct). Look at China, for years they tried to have a purer and purer communist society, where no one had the right to what they'd earned, and anything you had could be taken from you (I have friends who lived in China during the "cultural revolution"). Living conditions as a whole were horrendous, and many spent their lives simply trying to get enough to eat. Say whatever you want about communism, but you cannot honestly say it is the least bit humane. With the lessening of state controls, the lives of the Chinese are much better than before. Not great by western standards, certainly, but a big improvement.

The vast majority of people never bring to consciousness the basic principles of a political system. It really only boils down to two premises. Either (option 1) each individual has the right to what they've earned, or (option 2) they don't. Every society has always chosen the second option to varying degrees. The power structures, whether they be religious, monarchical, political, etc., find innumerable ways to obfuscate that one question. I think it's finally time we chose option one, don't you? The only justifiable purpose for a government is the protection of Option 1 (police as protection against thieves,murderers, etc.; Military as protection from foreign invaders, and courts to settle disputes). The only way to have Option 1 is via a proper government (anarchy is obviously not the answer, if you give it some thought).

Apr 13, 08 - 12:39 pm Comment from: Ferf Muckmeyer

This banter is ridiculous. The article was great. @@Jobs, STFU, we don't need you're right-winged commentary. Why bring it up in this thread - it serves no purpose here. Maybe on another thread on another site, but not here. @Cubert, you rock, dude.

Apr 13, 08 - 01:31 pm Comment from: @lemecdutex

Your Libertarian rhetoric all sounds good and logical but really it is just your personal justification to be selfish and to not have compassion or responsibility for those in your society that have not the means nor ability to survive on their own. I can see why you want to fund police, to keep the have-nots from getting your stuff.

Communism like that practiced by the Chinese government does indeed fail in the ways you describe but like the opposite dream that you champion, the extreme degree to which the concepts are carried are the downfall of both. We need more than police, armed forces and courts; we need civil infrastructure, schools, fire protection, and REGULATION (a curse word to your ilk) to make all players play fairly to the good of all. AND we need universal health care. Cracking open your stingy wallet for these things will actually better your life because you will live in a healthy, vibrant society that is not morally bankrupt by peoople like you who would turn their back on the poverty stricken and sick.

Apr 13, 08 - 01:41 pm Comment from: Cubert

Come on people, get back on topic! Porn!

Forget this political crap!

Apr 13, 08 - 02:05 pm Comment from: Ampar

C1, I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass.

Apr 13, 08 - 03:06 pm Comment from: Hm...

Children, y'all need a dose of Sister Mary Elephant!

Apr 13, 08 - 05:39 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

What if parts of me are?

Apr 13, 08 - 06:23 pm Comment from: lemecdutex

@@lemecdutex

Actually, I'm no libertarian. The inability of some people to survive on their own should not be a legal leash on the lives and creativity of others. And in the system I speak of, people would be free to help others all they wish, as they do now. There are only a few people in a truly free society who would not be able to survive on their own. Do you think it's better to live a life based on handouts? Does that give them self-esteem? Does that make them secure knowing that at any moment a government mandate can wipe out what they're subsisting on and they have learned no skills to survive any other way?

You take on faith most of your truly unexamined beliefs.

I believe in the rights of the smallest minority in the world, the individual. Individual freedom is a curse word to your ilk, if you wish to respond in such an insulting manner.

Your absolute faith in regulations is common, but misguided. Who is to regulate? People. Who is to be regulated? Other people? Who is to regulate the regulators? Sometimes no one, sometimes other people. But, it all boils down to one sorry principle, no one has the right to what they've earned. What you call morality is the proposition that everyone but yourself has the right to your work and life. Basically, everyone is both slave (since they do not have a right to what they've earned) and master (since everyone can lay claim to what others have earned), and no one is free. Slaves cannot exist without masters, nor masters without slaves, and you call that a moral system?

What is an extreme degree of carrying a concept? I am extremely for the rights of the individual (which does not mean, as some craven people think, mean the right of some to trample on the rights of others, individual rights does not mean coercion).

But, I suspect we're getting the world you dream of, led by the people who share your beliefs. After all, no political party today champions individual rights, the republicans think you have no right to your body, just some (not all) of your money, the democrats say everyone has the right to your money, but they generally think the choices for your body are your own. It's a fools choice, because the unexamined question on both sides is why anyone should have rights to your life.

Notice that your entire argument is based on an anomaly, the poverty stricken and sick. Everyone's rights are to be arrogated to those others, to any others that society, or the government, or the priests and preachers decide, anything so long as no one questions the basic premise that makes this nonsense possible.

And, just to show how many things you can get wrong in your diatribe, I do help other people, where I can, but that is not my life's purpose, nor should it be. If you truly believed what you say, you would not even have the possibility of replying on a computer, even one not your own, since you do not exist for yourself, you must go out and help every single poverty stricken and sick person for the rest of your life. The fact that you cannot, means you are guilty of breaking your own moral code. A guilty person can be talked into all kinds of things ceding control of his life, can't they? If you see that, then you see the real purpose of those who demand the unearned.

Apr 13, 08 - 11:03 pm Comment from: Buster

@Cubert....that wasn't me at :10. I don't care what you do in your personal life. It is NONE of my business. Notice that he wasn't logged in (I think it is ZT trying to get back at me for pissing him off)

In fact I am still trying to figure out what parts of C1 are related to a baboon's ass. I've seen pics of her...too damn cute to be compared to that.

Apr 13, 08 - 11:05 pm Comment from: Buster

errr...sorry I meant at 8:03. This prick is a sad git....copying my name. If it doesn't have a star then it is NOT me.

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