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Sep 21, 09 - 04:31 pm Comment from: Metryq

Stable version, now with horses.

Sep 21, 09 - 04:32 pm Comment from: BlackWolf

Competion = Good

30% is not going to move very many Safari users!

Sep 21, 09 - 04:42 pm Comment from: Think

Sorry, but anything at this point is going to beat that flea bitten mare called IE.

If anyone is interested, i recently made some Sunspider benchmarks for Safari 4 in Leopard and Snow Leopard.
same machine (mac mini 2GHz) both Systems fully updated (on separate Partitions)

-Leopard 777.2ms
-Snow Leopard 579.2ms
(smaller is better)

So that's about a 33% increase in Speed that the 64 Bit Safari gives you in SL.
And the Snow Leopard Safari feels a lot faster than the Leopard version, along with everything else.
I would even go so far and call it "Snappy"

@ the repguy

Let's face it. There aren't too many Safari users on Windows, not based on four percent market share.

Chrome on windows is the fastest I've used. On the Mac 10.6 side though Safari wins. Perhaps it will change once Chrome for Mac releases (although the alpha/beta of it is showing promise).

Sep 21, 09 - 04:56 pm Comment from: HMCIV

HA HA TAKE THAT APPLE!!!

You and your shiny browser based that precious little Webkit project of yours have just been bested by a browser...

...based on your Webkit project. Oh.

Ah, i forgot, the lastest Firefox has this result in Sunspider:

987.0ms

There are no definite Numbers of Chrome 3 that i can find, but according to the test graph on Google's Blog, Chrome 3 should be around 700ms to 750ms

so Safari 4 on Snow Leopard remains the Speedking with 579ms

I tried out the dev version of Chrome for the Mac, and ended up with a launchd process "com.google.keystone.agent.plist", which apparently launches every couple hours. I was not notified that this was installed - if I'd not spotted it while troubleshooting some Time Machine stuff in Console, I'd never have even known it was there.

Presumably this is their auto-update feature, but it bothers me that they felt the need to schedule it to run even when the browser itself isn't running - especially given the significant privacy concerns posed by Google's past actions (such as the Google Voice app non-approval being partially the result of Google electing to grab all your address book info and send it to their servers), and the fact that they don't tell you they're doing this.

I trashed the browser, but that didn't remove the Keystone thingy - had to jump through a few hoops to stop the launch agent, and remove the updater from Google's subfolder in ~/Library (something regular users wouldn't be expected to know how to do). Otherwise, my computer would evidently still be phoning home to Google every couple hours.

http://dfbills.com/display/835

So, I'll be sticking with Firefox and Safari, thanks.

Sep 21, 09 - 04:58 pm Comment from: MidWest Mac

It is kind of funny that the only browser apparently faster than Apple's is based on code from Apple.

Sep 21, 09 - 05:01 pm Comment from: Jubei

Great! What good is it when sites are still using the browser and operating system lockout feature like "Active-x". No one will overtake IE/Windows as long as these monopolizing technologies are allowed to perpetuate on the net.

SUN Spider benchmark.

471.4 ms +/- 2.0%

2.8 GHz Core 2 Duo (iMac), 4 GB RAM, OS X 10.6.1

Sep 21, 09 - 05:04 pm Comment from: Cubert

@Gabriel,
And bad practice on Google's part to install it in the system library and not your home directory's library.

Bad Google!!!

Sep 21, 09 - 05:14 pm Comment from: Brulek

what, no pithy comment from MDN? The silence is deafening...

Brulek is spot on. Googled handed MDN his ass. The poor whipped puppy that is MDN is a pitiful thing to behold.

What'd Chrome do, disable Flash?

Sep 21, 09 - 06:11 pm Comment from: UltraVisitor

lol @ Moo

Sep 21, 09 - 06:17 pm Comment from: Jubei

@Moo

Maybe or it's stripped down browser.

Sep 21, 09 - 06:25 pm Comment from: Big Als MBP

@ Mike,

"Let's face it. There aren't too many Safari users on Windows, not based on four percent market share."

4% of 100 million Windows computers use Safari. That's 4 million computers.

The installed base of Macs is only 30 million.

4% is significant.

Microcrap Explorer is the worst compared to the competition and their stupid website says that they're faster than the rest? OMG that's so funny. Compare to Apple.. wow so now Chrome is 30% faster than Safari? Now that's a bit of speed.

The only competition in the browser space are
Google Chrome vs Apple Safari nothing else.

Both wants to claim the title The world's fastest web browser and guess what? Those two ignore the rest of the industry's benchmarks since all of them sucks.

Windows Browser Speed
1. Google Chrome
2. Apple Safari

Mac Browser Speed
1. Google Chrome
2. Apple Safari

wow so now it's tied.

Life is Simple, only on a Mac

Sep 21, 09 - 06:57 pm Comment from: Spark

I like Safari on Windows. I think it provides the nicest rendering, especially of fonts. The speed of Chrome is impressive, but incidental to my web use. What I find fascinating is how many lifetime Windows users see Safari and view it as odd looking or fuzzy. They are so used to the brittle-looking type on IE and even FF that they there eyes rebel against a well formed font.

I got a question for all you windows folks. Why is it that you feel the need to speak out in a mac forum? The way I see it you have accepted that everything mac is better, your just not willing to admit it. Feel free to respond, that is if your pc doesn't crash while trying to do so.

Sep 21, 09 - 07:43 pm Comment from: Mac Daddy

I use Firefox on my POS XP machine at work, and it seems to do OK. It sure beats the crap outta IE. Lord, IE is a piece of crap. Last time I tried Chrome on XP, it seemed to crash a bit more than Firefox does, but that could have changed.

I tried Chrome on my Windows XP install (via VMWare Fusion) on my Mac. It was pretty quick, but what an UGLY interface! Google's insistence on minimalism sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. I also had some rendering issues. My favorites are still Firefox and Safari.

I'll give Chrome a try when it's in a final version for the Mac. But if stays beta for a couple of years, as is the habit for Google, I won't be an early adopter. It's promising though.

wow can't believe they are now on version 3 and they STILL have not released a Mac version
I guess the following still applies:
http://www.derekunderwood.com/web-programming/google-chrome-is-really-just-for-windows/

obviously Google not serious about Mac development
maybe because Safari defaults to a Google search in the GUI?

I like Google Chrome... I also like Firefox and Safari.. only Chrome still doesn't have a Mac version.. I'm definately going to try it on the Mac if it becomes available.

Sep 22, 09 - 06:47 am Comment from: jackdawsson

One wants more from any browser than just better speed, but I like what I've read so far about Chrome. Sure to find a place on my Mac on release.

@HMCIV

you do know that apple still have the fastest browser

Sep 22, 09 - 10:15 am Comment from: LordRobin

I'm curious as to how Chrome can render so much faster than Safari 4 when both browsers use Apple's Webkit to render. Perhaps Chrome is using a more recent version of Webkit, or even their own branch of the code?

(And that auto-updater that Gabriel talked about is disgusting. I can't believe that a company whose motto is "Don't be evil" would install a "phone-home" background process that runs all the time. That thing comes with Google Earth too. Luckily, there's a way to delete the installer out of the package before you run it.)

------RM

Sep 22, 09 - 10:38 am Comment from: theloniousMac

Apple has rejected Chrome for the Macintosh.

All of these browsers are extremely fast now... X browser is faster than Y browser by .3256 milliseconds... Whoop-de-do.

As a user, there's no way I'd be able to perceive a speed difference if it's less than a second faster... And, anyway, my bottleneck is my internet connection speed and how fast all of the crap on a webpage can actually download, so a faster browser isn't necessarily going to make my actual browsing experience faster.

Right now, regarding a browser, I'm more interested in functionality, stability, elegance, design, and features. And in the elegance and design department, Safari surely wins... Chrome may be 30% faster than Safari, but it's also 90% uglier.

I can't say I hate Chrome, I've never used it since there's no Mac version to try out (however, I do know that I don't care for tabs on top after trying out that Safari 4 beta) But with Chrome, all I ever hear about is that it's faster... Is there anything else about it that makes it good? Like bookmark management, finding items on a page, web development features, autofill, shortcuts to opening many pages in different tabs, etc.. "Faster" is just one piece of the browser pie, but that's all I ever hear about regarding Chrome.