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HP: Microsoft counting XP-loaded PCs as ‘Vista’ sales
Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 09:33 AM EDT

"Business PC buyers are still overwhelmingly opting for XP, computer giant HP has revealed," Dan Warne reports for APC Magazine.

"HP's revelation, made at the launch of a new range of business notebooks, flies in the face of Microsoft's persistent PR claims that Vista has sold tens of millions of copies — and is selling at a faster rate than XP ever did," Warne reports.

"However, HP explained how Microsoft is coming up with these 'Vista' sales figures," Warne reports.

"'From the 30th of June, we have no longer been able to ship a PC with a XP licence,' said Jane Bradburn, Market Development Manager, Commercial Notebooks for HP Australia," Warne reports. "'However, what we have been able to do with Microsoft is ship PCs with a Vista Business licence but with XP pre-loaded. That is still the majority of business computers we are selling today.'"

Warne reports, "So, in other words, Microsoft counts a sale for Vista, even though the computer manufacturer has really sold XP."

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Counting XP PC sales as "Vista," $500 million rigged ad campaigns — It seems that the Microsoft slime buckets will resort to just about anything to "fix" their Vista debacle; anything, except what they should be doing, of course: trashing the whole bloated mess and starting from scratch with a clean slate. Oh, but then, whose tech would they buy for a song, or borrow, or steal this time?

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Jul 30, 08 - 09:40 am Comment from: CYxodus

The last time I checked, this was called fraud. Aren't they lying to their stock holders and isn't MS breaking some laws? This needs to be investigated.

Jul 30, 08 - 09:40 am Comment from: kruchev

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS.

Jul 30, 08 - 09:43 am Comment from: MacSoftwareList.com

MS is not going to be investigated again.We have gotten past that, Thanks Clinton. People are going to see through it though. IT people are on top of this kind of news.

Jul 30, 08 - 09:45 am Comment from: Al

Microsoft breaking laws?

Never happen.

Jul 30, 08 - 09:50 am Comment from: t

The last thing we want M$ to do is start from scratch. If their code baseline is crap then they will continue the downward spiral into the toilet. M$ did buy a company that should send shivers and that is Novel. Recall tat Novel owns Suse Linux - if M$ scrapped windows and turned to Linux which is a possibility they would leverage allot of excellent code.

Recall apple did the same with BSD. So its not beyond possibility and as we all know they use apple as springboard for new ideas...

Jul 30, 08 - 09:59 am Comment from: oh no my shorts

@t -- What are you talking about? MS did not buy Novell. They did some patent cross-licensing and made a number of collaboration and interoperability agreements.

http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/

Jul 30, 08 - 10:00 am Comment from: Eric

I have over 20 years experience in IT, and though I semi-retired a couple years ago, the economies slowdown has forced me to pursue more IT centric work lately. I have actually received a few calls from recruiters seeking IT people with my high qualifications and at least 2 years of Mac experience (I have over 3 with OS X, as I do no count my experience with Macs in the late '80s through the mid '90s anymore at all). Unfortunately, none of these opportunities were sufficient to make me move, nor located near me here in Atlanta. Just as well anyhow, it's looking like we're moving to Manhattan in a couple months anyhow.

Jul 30, 08 - 10:04 am Comment from: Mac+

I didn't know Vista was in fact XP in disguise.

Jul 30, 08 - 10:09 am Comment from: minime

If that article is correct, it sounds like misleading information is being given to MSFT shareholders.

Jul 30, 08 - 10:09 am Comment from: ElderNorm

I like that.

"If you can't dazzle them with Apple brilliance, baffle them with MS BS."

Just a thought. LOL

en

Jul 30, 08 - 10:10 am Comment from: Kevin

Can't wait to see what the sales figures are on Mojave are. I'm sure MS will count those as Vista sales too . . .

What?? Mojave is Vista?? AWW for Christ sake, here i thought i was avoiding that Vista mess . . . Wait I bought Mojave Business School Chair Throwing Edition, is that still considered a Vista sale??

Jul 30, 08 - 10:12 am Comment from: macaholic

@MacsoftwareList

no! more like thanks GW

Jul 30, 08 - 10:15 am Comment from: Demon

Smells like Microsoft is cooking the books and defrauding investors in the real worth of Vista, the company, it's new advert spending spree and the future position of the company.
An Enron style approach is need get to the bottom of Microsoft's book cooking.

Jul 30, 08 - 10:35 am Comment from: t

@oh no my shorts:
Bill Gates had this to say "We are very excited at the new direction of Windows Vista. With help from Novell and IBM we have leveraged the Linux kernel and have built our GUI as a Window Manager on top of X.org. This brings the friendliness and usability model of our Windows operating system and married it to the stability and rock solid security of Linux."

http://rjdohnert.wordpress.com/2006/04/01/microsoft-to-release-vista-with-a-linux-kernel/

Jul 30, 08 - 10:37 am Comment from: t

@oh no my shorts...
only kidding smile - i still thinks its a possibility

Jul 30, 08 - 10:47 am Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

I wonder if there is a hard copy of both operating systems.
If there is no XP license does that mean there isn't a registration key number? Could be big trouble if you have to reformat. I'd like more details.

Jul 30, 08 - 11:15 am Comment from: critic

If true, MS should be prepared for the class action shareholder suits that will result. This will be easy money for the vulture class action lawyers.

Jul 30, 08 - 11:31 am Comment from: Macaday

AN INVESTOR CASE AGAINST BALLMER?

Surely, surely, these facts could not have been known by Steve Ballmer when he addressed investors last Thursday?

If he did, and he told barefaced lies, he should be sued to kingdom come.

Jul 30, 08 - 11:33 am Comment from: @critic

Ooops, repeated your point! Too quick to send! Macaday

Jul 30, 08 - 11:34 am Comment from: Thanks Clinton?

It was right after Clinton left office and the Bush Administration took over the DOJ that investigations into Microsoft were dropped.

Jul 30, 08 - 11:36 am Comment from: wmd

Bottom line...

MS did sale tens of millions of copies of Vista.

Jul 30, 08 - 11:48 am Comment from: LiM

Microsoft should just rename XP ... to Vista! That's the only way to justify the development dollars lost down the drain. Change a word, pretend everything is all right, and move on to the next thing. Eventually renaming that Vista too.

Jul 30, 08 - 11:56 am Comment from: Blue Dream

M$ shareholders don't need to know about this, they only have to know about Steve Jobs health.

Jul 30, 08 - 11:59 am Comment from: almux

This is a well known and almost official thing. Everybody knows that XP's are sold as Vista since the begenning. Why does this come up again now? Maybe just to shut M$'s mouth with their new lying "experience"?!

Jul 30, 08 - 12:04 pm Comment from: MrMcLargeHuge

@Eric

Good for you. What's your point?

Jul 30, 08 - 12:10 pm Comment from: Lilochris

How can you even see the Cracks on the Black iPhone. Black Cracks on a black case? They're probably there & people don't know it.


I have those types of cracks in many spots of my Late 2004 iBook G4. I don't care really since it's over 3 years old. But not on a new phone thats only been around for less than a month.



I liked the old metal case better. I wonder if Steve Jobs upgraded to the 3G iPhone???

Jul 30, 08 - 12:46 pm Comment from: alansky

VISTA: Vastly Inferior Shoddy Troublesome Alternative (to OS X)

Jul 30, 08 - 01:17 pm Comment from: Reminder

"Investor Case Against MS"

Probably never happen. That might cause the MS stock to plummet. That could be bad for all of those that have millions invested in MS. Good propaganda is good PR.

MS will continue to be propped up until even life-support won't keep it breathing. But by then big investor money will pull the plug.

If you have MS stock - I suggest you sell it now.

Talk to your SEP/IRA investment person. They are heavily invested in MS more than likely if you have any Tech stock.

Why do you think the Bush Admin killed the charges? Finance.

Jul 30, 08 - 01:50 pm Comment from: Cubert

M$ making knowingly untruthful statements to the media? Nah! Never!

And, we all know that the iPhone is the most expensive phone on the market - always has been, too. Just ignore those two dozen brands that are more expensive - cos Sgt. Shultz Ballmer told you to.

Jul 30, 08 - 02:14 pm Comment from: Hint Hammer

MacSoftwareList.com,

That would be revisionist history, my friend.

Jul 30, 08 - 03:08 pm Comment from: PC Apologist

And Apple counts every device that goes from its warehouse to a retail store as a "sale" too. Apparently it's common to fudge the numbers.

Jul 30, 08 - 03:34 pm Comment from: Andy

The day has finally arrived where MS is its own worst enemy! The continuos self-immolation is a spectacle to behold, isn't it?

Want some market share in the tech industry? Become the object of MS's obsession and watch the company cripple itself to challenge you!

Jul 31, 08 - 01:33 am Comment from: bluemarlin1402

I have some questions about the itele

- is the new apple cold fusion power supply really inferior to Microsoft's lead acid batteries as they claim

- Eric Savitz says that time travel has must not be lucrative because no ones ever done it before. I'm thinking of selling my AAPL stock. Is this a good idea?

- I've read there's no right click in itlel even though I right click all the time. Do I have the only right click itele in existence?

Aug 02, 08 - 11:52 am Comment from: MacSheikh

Isn't this against the law on SOME way? ANY way? WTF?!

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