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Maybe they can use some of those netbooks people dont want.... slip a touch screen on them and pass them off as a slate....

Mar 09, 10 - 01:14 pm Comment from: zmarc

I just had a brilliant idea for a product -- a giant iPod touch. Yeah, I know, the touch has been around for a couple of years now and this idea should have occurred to me ages ago, but I just thought of it while watching the Oscars. Don't know where idea came from, but isn't it brilliant? Gotta get the lab boys started on this one soon!

zmarc,

As we all know, the iPad is not a "giant iPod touch."

agree completely with MDN's take. The ipad will totally destroy the netbook market too, then what is dell and hp gonna make money off of?

Internal sources report that the latest tablet project is codenamed Mi2.

HP's product will only take 2-3 minutes to wake from sleep. Can you even imagine how slow this thing will be running Windows 7? 90 min. of battery life?

Yea, let's play flash games . . . oh, wait, no mouse; can't do it. Hey, why's there an ad popped up on my HP tablet thingy? I can't click it to make it go away! OK, let's watch YouTube . . . hey, why can't I access the player controls? It's Flash! I need a mouse! Where's that damn PS/2 port?

HP didn't mean Windows 7 phone, did it? Either way . . . .

HP used to be a reputable company.
I balked at paying near $80 for ink cartridges for an aging but reliable G95. What did I do? I found a super Canon 328 and the dealer installed a 4 x 200cc CMYK external ink feed tank supplying the std Canon print head. And a spare set of 4 x 250cc refills. It will last as long as 16 HP replacement carts. How much for the whole deal? $90.
A lesson for HP. Gouge your loyal customers and they'll cut your legs off, at the neck!
And now trying to gouge Apple too because HP, like MS, is bankrupt of ideas or integrity. Come back Messrs Hewlett and Packard.

Mar 09, 10 - 01:35 pm Comment from: YoYo

Maybe the solution is that on default the Flash is not on but if u touch the Flash icon on a web page it will load.

Something tells me, zmarc, that no matter how many times you try to "troll" the iPad, the real numbers of pre-orders this weekend will boggle even your mind. Truly, the coming onslaught of crazy-silly-powerful games for the Pad will make your PSP look like an archaic little toy . . . just like everything else Sony has shipped for the past two decades.

Yep: Hold your breath for the as-yet-unnamed-designed-manufactured-patent tested-released HP/MS device. Perhaps IT will satisfy your lofty requirements.

Mar 09, 10 - 01:44 pm Comment from: McIntosh

The MDN take is so very true. I'm starting to find it offensive that HP or Dell (or Motorola, or...) go around and beat their chests about how great their iProduct-killer will be, implying that Apple didn't get it "right" themselves, but only do so after their object of derision has been out in the world generating mindshare, introducing people to the ease of consumer technology, and basically paving the way for their crappy offerings. Apple does all the heavy lifting and these other guys try to waltz in and steal Apple's thunder. Thank God that tactic almost never works.

Apple should be applauded if they can grind these guys into dust. Apple faces a daily barrage of criticism from people who think they're too much a walled garden, too expensive, too elitist, too disruptive, too whatever, yet these same people can't wait for other companies to make the very same damn things Apple makes. For these people, Apple's ideas are awesome just as long as someone else executes them. Screw them all. They're pathetic.

I used to do 200-page magazine proofs each issue on my HP Colour Laserjet, until the ink prices became extra-extortionate.
(What happened? The ink trees got a disease?)
Now I just do PDFs! Saves me a fortune.
HP deserve every deep cut and twist of our pent-up revenge.
And I hope their silly tablet is as bad as it sounds.

These lousy ass scum bastards start cranking out this fukken PR to try to get consumers to hesitate, the whole time sitting on their lazy, lard stupid asses. Like scum shit Nokia all they can do is 'copy with pride'. Ask asswipe Anssi Vanjoki.

Mar 09, 10 - 01:50 pm Comment from: Connor MacBook

The iPad is a giant iPod touch, and that's A Good Thing - consistency in simplicity.

Mar 09, 10 - 01:50 pm Comment from: Spark

Unfortunately, HP's strategy of muddying the waters before the iPad launch will work on the average Windrone. Using mockups and unsubstantiated claims (that the media echo without researching) HP and MS can lull PC lemmings into believing that they too will be able to get an iPad clone from their beige box makers.

Mar 09, 10 - 01:51 pm Comment from: disposableidentity

You don't get something for nothing.

I think Apple has made some very smart design trade-offs.
It will be interesting to see how these other products perform in the real world when they finally appear.

The lesser product often has a longer spec sheet.

The iPad is indeed a larger, faster iPod Touch with some better custom software.

I expect this to be like a video game console release where the first version is more niche audience, then the second or third revision brings its price and features into a mainstream sweetspot and it kills from there on.

I don't see how any one can navigate the web more efficiently with this than a mouse and keyboard, but it probably feels more fun...until you go to sites that use flash...and I'm always finding them on my iPhone. : (

Historically, and even somewhat now, vaporware and FUD work. They help keep people at jumping for Apple introduced products, to wait for a cheaper (I mean that in both senses of the word.)Dell, HP, MS, or Moto product.
I wonder just how many people are still waiting for iPhone on Verizon, with all the false stories of porting, that have been out out there in the past few years.

You know a company is already out of ideas when they have to rely on another company (Adobe) to differentiate themselves from the competition.

Next week, Asus, Dell, Lenovo, Sony, etc. will advertise their new iPad killers with Flash as well, and HP will be forgotten in all the excitement.

Not only is flash a battery vampire, so is Windows 7 itself.

Anyone else notice that HP and Microsoft only started using the word "slate" after it was widely rumored (and almost universally believed) that Apple's product would be called the iSlate?

Mar 09, 10 - 01:59 pm Comment from: LordRobin

Aw, man, do we have to go through the "-killer" cycle again, like we did with the iPod and iPhone? First we'll have a series of clunky, awkward looking knockoffs, that all have the same extra feature that Apple doesn't. For the iPod it was an FM tuner. For the iPhone it's multitasking. So I guess for the iPad it's Flash. Then the device manufacturers watch in despair as no one gives a crap about their knockoffs, and as Apple innovates and improves their product so fast, they can't keep up. After a few years of losing money hand over fist chasing Apple, the competitors give up and cede the market.

Am I the only Apple fan who's a little depressed that Apple seems to be the only company who truly knows how to innovate? How much energy is wasted chasing Apple that could be devoted to leapfrogging Apple to the "next big thing"? But these other companies just don't have what it takes to do that.

------RM

Wow, W7 on netbook hardware running Flash. Battery life will be abysmal. Of course, when the iPad really gets 10 hrs of life, those Windows users will still say it's not real, because they know Windows battery life specs are never real.

Let's see....

Q1: How does the HP address "Mouse Over" in Flash on a touchscreen display?

Q2: Does the HP get 10 hours battery life?

Q3: ... and still weigh only 1.5lbs

Q4: ... and whose starting price is $500 (or less)

Q5: ... and whose UI performance metrics are just as fast?


YMMV, but that's the minimum required for being able to honestly claim that one is 'better'.

-hh

Mar 09, 10 - 02:06 pm Comment from: bond co. stooge

"More complete..."

As in: "more sucktastic"

Mar 09, 10 - 02:08 pm Comment from: Trvth

. . . a more complete computing experience than Apple's iPad. . . .

I stopped reading it at that point. Complete is an absolute. Nothing can be "more complete" — except the fantasies of a Windows ad flack.

It's as silly as "a more perfect union."

Mar 09, 10 - 02:09 pm Comment from: bond co. stooge

Windows 7...

a billion ideas,

a pile of suck.

The HP Slate offers nothing new except a touch interface that will be severely hampered by Apple's patents and Windows 7 touch edition which speaks for itself.

The biggest issue for this and any Windows tablet will be the lack of touch optimized applications. There is absolutely no incentive for developers to spend any time updating there applications for the tablet. This point alone insures that the HP Slate will be nothing more than a "flash" in the pan.

Mar 09, 10 - 02:34 pm Comment from: MidWest Mac

Not saying the iPad is a giant iPod touch since I'm not a moron.

However, if there was a giant iPod touch on the market, I would buy one. And so would a lot of other people.

Mar 09, 10 - 02:38 pm Comment from: Giles

@ Spark - 12:50 pm

(...) HP and MS can lull PC lemmings into believing that they too will be able to get an iPad clone from their beige box makers.

If you read PC discussion forums you'll see that that's exactly what the PC user thinks: the clone will "do the job", have more ports and will cost less than the iPad. User experience and design is not a criterion for them, and they think viruses are "part of life".

We have a new class of products from MS & Intel: vPad (or vapor pad).

Mar 09, 10 - 03:01 pm Comment from: m159

Freezing the market away from Apple doesn't work. iPod wannabes tried it. iPhone wannabes tried it. This pitiful attempt flies in the face of what everyone already understands about Apple's painstaking product development.

And including flash is a feature?! Why not put a slide out keyboard on it too, and call that a feature?

As sad and pitiful this is, it's still hilarious. Oh, and H-P, don't forget Apple will now sue your ass if you try to steal its intellectual property.

Mar 09, 10 - 03:05 pm Comment from: Botvinnik

you gotta roll with the punches to get to what's real

For those that are wondering about mouse. Stylist and gesture touch screen combo.

Why can't people just read an article and move on. Anytime there is anything remotey negative about any Apple product. The gambits (including mdn) go nuts. Chill out. Apple makes nice stuff. But so do others. Stop being childish about every article that is written.

Mar 09, 10 - 03:14 pm Comment from: Apple Cider

need a Windows 7 party for this novel experience.

The HP iPad killer is bigger, heavier and according to HP can do more than the iPad. Therefore they are marketing it as a Maxi-pad.

@Andreeccm

Oh oh oh oh oh, stop it, you're too funny!

Same old crap - from mock-up screen (Ballmer's bogus keynote at CES) to mock-up video.

Vaporware for sure...

For a company who store the macbook design in their HP Envy line, they just blatantly announced that they are up and ready to steal the ipad design

Has anyone seen an HP Envy 15 besides me? those things run HOTTER than HELL... - My friend (againt my advice) bought one. Two hours of battery life and the ability to cook eggs on the back cover (no kidding - External temps were about 45 degrees celcius! - we checked with a thermometer)

Mar 09, 10 - 05:03 pm Comment from: TheMacAdvocate

Win: a device that's the same size as a netbook, has 90% of the functionality of a laptop without the thickness, weight, lag and lack of battery life.

Fail: a device that's the same size as a netbook, has the same OS, weight, thickness and battery life of a netbook without the keyboard.

Mar 09, 10 - 05:37 pm Comment from: AlanAudio

It really doesn't matter if it's vapourware or not.

If the product doesn't materialise, the potential buyer will buy an iPad. If HP's slate does materialise, it will have to compete with Apple's very aggressive price point. As we've seen with PCs and netbooks, those customers are very price sensitive and will always be more interested in a lower priced product.

Apple knows that it will sell tens of millions of iPads and has designed a high quality product for economical mass production. HP will have to match the quality but without any guarantee of large sales numbers. It's hard to see how they can get remotely close to matching the iPad offering and still make money out of it.

That in itself is a tall order, but on top of that, they need to match the iPad user experience and Apple's app store. There's also the fact that the iPad will have been in the shops for 9 months before Microsoft are claiming to have available a suitable OS for a tablet.

By the time that HP's device hits the streets, iPad II will be about to be announced and the game will change again.

It's the wannabe song.

Me too, me too, me will release one too.
It will be better, cheaper, faster me too me too.
It will make the competitor look like crud.
That is, if you believe MS FUD.

Mar 09, 10 - 06:54 pm Comment from: It's About Time

Perfect marriage. Now the world can see what these two misfits are incapable of when they combine their best efforts.

Okay, you obviously don't get it. Let me explain.

HP thinks it can kill the iPad by making a vapourware demo video of yet another tablet PC, with the usual pointless features nobody cares about, running Windows 7 and Flash - two things which fail amazingly on a touchscreen.

It can't kill the iPad by doing this.

Hence, teh funny. You need to get your sense of humour checked.

Andreeccm,

You are totally right. I'm amazed how quickly the vitriol flows the moment anyone says anything negative about an Apple product. I've been using Apple products for years now, and would probably never go back to PC, but Apple has it's shortcomings.

I don't like the way they are controlling the app store, for example. And all of their hardware problems lately (it took me 5 shipments to get a working iMac 27") and their incompatibilities (Snow Leopard killed half my software). Don't get me started on my Time Capsule (failed, predictably like everyone elses at 18 months due to an over heating issue Apple refuses to acknowledge).

Bottom line is, we are all Apple supporters, but let's not be "everything else" haters.

I'm still kinda miffed that the only iPad worth getting is the most expensive one. Who wants one of these things without 3G? And 32GB? Really?

I'll wait a year.

Yea! Someone gets it! "apple supporter. Not everyone else hater"

Perfect statement.

Btw. I intend on using my ipad (non 3g) with my jailbroken iPhone. Use it's 3g for wireless tethering. I am not paying AT&T;twice.

Mar 10, 10 - 08:37 pm Comment from: jdb8167

It isn't flash that is going to kill the battery on that tablet, it is the anti-virus and other anti-malware you are going to have to run on it to stay safe.