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OH!!! Now they do it.

boneheads!

Build a insanely fast network first, then allow the population and features to scale up over time.

Don't advertise "the fastest" and then limit bandwidth because you screwed up!

Apr 20, 09 - 05:18 pm Comment from: jfort

I just want coverage in NW Ohio. Even Edge would be nice.

@MacRabibit

In a perfect world everything would be ready and running at peak performance before consumers got to start using it but we don't live in a perfect world. Building that network cost billions of dollars, dollars which AT&T;probably didn't have and certainly didn't want to risk. Capital isn't free so, like nearly all business, cell network are constantly evolving as capital is made available, so don't get angry that it wasn't already super fast.

It seems perfectly far to me to be angry for being misleading in their advertising. I don't really remember what AT&T;said in their ads so I don't know if they lied. Generally I just ignore any company's superlative claims. They are always as close to lying as a false advertising law suit will allow them to be, so they can't be trusted. God, I sound like a cynic. Oh well.

Apr 20, 09 - 05:20 pm Comment from: cptnkirk

Wow! Impressive. I think that much of the time I get better speed on my iPhone than on my desktop connected to the same provider.

Anyone know if 4G be backward compatible with 3g devices? I assume it would to avoid customers not buying 3G to wait for 4G

Yeah, right. I'll believe it in June when I see it.

when i first started working in IT, for Wang Labs in Sydney, we had to meet a government mandate for response times of less than 1 second. In other words, you hit the return button and the information you wanted was on the screen, complete, in less than 1 second.

On the iPhone it takes 12 seconds to load Macdaily news on a fast ADSL2+ connection. On the Optus 3G network it takes 15 -45 seconds, depending on your location and, I guess, network load.

This is progress?

In a perfect world everything would be ready and running at peak performance before consumers got to start using it...

What about cable then huh?


*surfs internet with 16 Mb/s down and 2 Mb/s up on cable*

What do you say now?

Yep, we need the BOZO's at AT&T;, to think the same, implement the technology ONCE, spend the money ONCE and allow the population/future needs to scale up over time.

Heck, AT&T;was just 2G, then 2.5G and now it's 3G and still that's not enough.

Duh, just implement 100G right from the start, that way we can stream HD video from our camera phones to any one in a flash.


OH! didn't think of that wonderful future before opening your mouth huh?

ding

The way AT&T;is going, we will have to update our iPhones every fscking year.

I bet the people with Edge on their iPhones are pretty sick of the ones who have 3G.

Just wait, the 3G iPhone users will be sick about 4G.

Stupid, the iPhone gets obsolete within a year!

Sure that might sound good to Apple fanbois, stock holders etc, but eventually people will get tired of being RIPPED OFF by AT&T;and now Apple and just settle for a pay as you go phone for only $10-$25 a month.

Yep, that's what I pay and I get AT&T;networks just like a iPhone. No data naturally, but I got a Macbook Pro with the cost savings!

Apr 20, 09 - 07:12 pm Comment from: WriterGuy

@ MacRabbit -

I've got Edge on my original iPhone, and I'm not sick of 3G owners, I'm as happy as the day I got it. Besides, I usually surf via Wifi anyway.

Of course, I'd be happier with faster access speeds (and permanent Google Maps that don't freeze when I lose a connection). But just cause something new comes out each year that's better doesn't make me bitter.

I'm sure whatever car you drive has come out with a newer model. Do you curse the car company for updating some features? No, you enjoy what you've got, and trade up if and when you can.

There's no rip-off. Take a breath, okay?

Apr 20, 09 - 07:54 pm Comment from: eMax

"There have been technical difficulties implementing the final step, and HSPA+ is now ready for prime time. There's little point in migrating to 14.4 Mb/s if AT&T;can go straight to 21 Mb/s, McElroy sai"

And so they can screw everyone out of the faster speeds with the current hardware even if it can support it.

While it would be AWESOME to get a big speed bump with my 3G iphone, im not going to hold my breath that AT&T;is just going to give it to everyone....

There IS a rip off!!

Because AT&T;is slow playing upgrading their networks, it COSTS MORE and this results in the high $60-$80 a month YOU PAY to use their voice and data.

I just use voice, but I can use data too (text and photos) rarely and only pay $10-$24 a month depending upon usage.

So if your not pissed you have to pay 3 to 8 times as much as I do, then something is seriously wrong with you.

Apr 20, 09 - 08:00 pm Comment from: Cubert

So, the way I read the article, if you buy an iPhone today, it will be able to run at the faster 7.2 Mb/s speed?

You don't need to buy the next iPhone to be released in June (most likely)? Am I reading this right?

Apr 20, 09 - 08:14 pm Comment from: eMax

cubert you are right.

however if they are doing this, and they release a new iphone it will surely use up the new bandwidth with some type of 2 way video chat, or itunes HD downloads or something like that. and the 3G iphone wont have all the exact same features...

So from what I understand, AT&T;is the only one screwing cell customers. Please tell me which provider has the Uberfast network. Oh wait a minute, everyone's screwing us. Give it a rest or get in the game and change it.

Apr 20, 09 - 08:31 pm Comment from: enzos

> I've got Edge on my original iPhone, and I'm not sick of 3G owners <
Wise words by WriterGuy!
I'm writing this on a 2005 model eMac: simply put, it does what I want it to do (on a network and running up-to-date scientific, database, www, email and word-processing programs) without freeze-ups or bother and it has never had a virus or lost a file and has never failed me. Why would I be 'sick' on the maker of, or on the owner of, say, a new iMac? (Leave alone the poor benighted buggers running the latest whiz-bang, disease-ridden, crash-prone Windblows machines on our network. A good computing experience is more than winning a pissing contest).

Apr 20, 09 - 08:52 pm Comment from: bjh

So I guess this means data transfer will be snappier.

Apr 20, 09 - 08:57 pm Comment from: Gregg Thurman

MacRabbitt what's your problem? Are you too young to remember dial up modems that started at 300 baud, then progressed through 1200 baud, 2400 baud, 4800 baud, 9600 baud, 14.4K baud, 28.8K baud and finally 56.6K baud before we ever saw 10BaseT ethernet. Then there was 100BaseT ethernet followed by Gigabit ethernet. None of these technologies were universally rolled out on day one.

If you aren't too young to remember all that, then you're just a cry baby, and you wouldn't be happy even if they universally rolled out HSPA+ tomorrow. Why? Because next year there will be something faster.

Get a life.

@ byronic
"On the iPhone it takes 12 seconds to load Macdaily news on a fast ADSL2+ connection. On the Optus 3G network it takes 15 -45 seconds, depending on your location and, I guess, network load."

I suspect that your Wang IT labs were not connecting to a web site that had to stop and review your cookies and then go out to a half dozen ad delivery companies to process what ads to deliver and then populate the page with all that graphic data first. MDN would obviously load much faster if it weren't choked with all the ads and pop-unders. Pulling up a commercial web page like MDN is not the same as being directly connected to a private data center. That said, I wish MDN wasn't so damned slow.

Apps rule.
All that bandwidth usage and delays to load all the stuff that clutters up a web page... that isn't readable without zooming...

It is great that Safari is a real web browser best it can be, so anything can be viewed in a pinch. But you're talking about the old big-screen, cluttered, kitchen sink web for your laptop.

That is sooooo 2008.

The future is the web in your pocket. No matter how much bandwidth and screen resolution is available, it will have a small screen.

Who knows, maybe we'll buy $2 subscriptions instead of tolerating ads. The convergence of all of Apple's capabilities (like micropurchases) just gets better and better.

Soooo is there an "iPhone Daily News" that actually fits on my iPhone? If MDN/IDN doesn't invent it, someone else will!

The big cluttered web page is sooooo not the future.

oops. I need to edit more. Too many "sooooo"s. Apologies.

Apr 21, 09 - 12:53 am Comment from: payrolldude

How about entering into markets that they do not exist? I've been waiting to buy an iPhone for a long freakin' time!!

Does Southern Oregon exist?

Apr 21, 09 - 03:58 am Comment from: SKY LARK

No it does not!

Southern Oregon with its spectacular mountains, deep lakes, rich valleys and arid deserts is a figment of your imagination ... get a grip.

Apr 21, 09 - 04:09 am Comment from: Virus Free

MDN would obviously load much faster if it weren't choked with all the ads and pop-unders...That said, I wish MDN wasn't so damned slow.

To come to MDN and MacRabbits defense.

MDN makes money from the ads displayed on this site, that pays for the bandwidth and perhaps a tiny profit. You most likely make more in a couple of hours working a normal job.

The pop-unders are a java-script flaw that Apple can't seem to fix either or they would have already implemented it in Safari>Block Pop-up windows feature.

MDN wouldn't be slow to load on a iPhone if AT&T;would have scaled up their technology beforehand as to be significantly ahead of emerging devices.


"Prepare for the worse, the good will take care of itself" - Donald Trump

Apr 21, 09 - 07:00 am Comment from: Cubert

eMax,
Thanks. Just thinking about what to do with my imminent, snappy tax return.

to double capacity at current speeds instead of doubling network speed. when the new iphone drops, you'll understand why. ATT will again be unprepared.

Those of us who spent a day standing in line for the first gen iPhone will see our contracts with AT&T;expire in June. I think it's a safe bet that Apple will release a new iPhone just before then to encourage those customers to upgrade and remain in the fold.

Hmmm. iPhone Pro. Has a nice ring to it.