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Since that works as a hot spot, does that mean the iPod touch can go 4G as well?

Mar 20, 10 - 12:46 pm Comment from: TowerTone

That's like Chevy building a trailer to haul crap behind your Ford truck.
Or whatever.

They have Boise, but not LA, Boston, NY, SLC....

Great idea. Sprint can tap business from iPhone owners without violating any licenses or agreements, and if this works like MyFi, you could share your 4G WiFi hotspot with others. The ad was very Apple-like but without copying overtly. Who knows? This could help make Sprint viable again. Kudos.

Nice. I might make me consider getting the WiFi only iPad instead of 3G. But $60 a month is a little to much than the monthly that AT&T;are offering. If it was more price competitive I could definitley see alot iPad customers getting this.

Mar 20, 10 - 12:54 pm Comment from: eon2010

I'm sure they want to get iPad Wifi users to purchase this as well.

Interesting, but the price point makes this possibly not worth the investment.

macdaddynews has an interesting view on Sprint’s commercial. they see it as a complete lie. it turns out Sprint’s 4G network isn’t really that much faster than AT&T;’s 3G. Sprint’s commercial uses the average 3G speed of all the networks combined, including Sprint’s very slow 3G, and compares it to Sprint’s 4G network when it’s at its best. AT&T;’s average speed of 3G is 1.4 Mbps, not 600 Kbps like the small print in their add suggests. Check it out http://www.macdaddynews.com/?p=1756

Mar 20, 10 - 01:09 pm Comment from: TheConfuzed1

Wow. That's a pretty bold move, mentioning a competitor's product in your ad, and even calling it "pretty cool."

Mar 20, 10 - 01:31 pm Comment from: MrMcLargeHuge

@QuadCore

You test in small markets first, so that if something goes wrong, you're support center isn't filled with complaints from millions of New Yorkers.

@ MacDust

It's about the speed: 4g is up to 10x faster than 3g! For the iPad it makes the expense more palatable - IF you have 4g Sprint coverage in your area.

Of course no matter the speed on my crappy slow 3g iphone, slow is slow.

Waiting for my ATT commitment to expire in July/August and buying the iphone4 outright. Not so much with ATT service but they denied me the opportunity to upgrade to 3gs last year without huge markup. In May, maybe, they said. Yeah, right before the new model comes out they want to dump the 3gs on me?

Uh, nope, not gonna' do it.

Not bad, wish it was in my market. Now Verizon can go after Sprint's limited market with a new Map? Oh, wait... Verizon doesn't have 4G! Can I use this with my Android phone?

Handsome Smitty -
You fail to understand how mobile phone subsidies work. AT&T;denying you a fully discounted iPhone 3GS is exactly what every other carrier would do as well. The iPhone does not cost $199. It costs $599. You only get the $199 price if you are a new customer or have completed the 2 year contract from your first phone. Believe it or not, you agreed to this in your contract with AT&T;. They did nothing to screw you.

Great service from what I hear, tiny map of coverage.

Mar 20, 10 - 02:33 pm Comment from: neomonkey

4G is just a marketing term, not a technology, and WIMAX is not 4G, according to Gartner:

Make way for 4G

Several technologies available today may play a roll in 4G as it develops. Here are five of them.

* Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (OFDM) and OFD Multiple Access (OFDMA). OFDM transmits data by splitting radio signals that are broadcast simultaneously over different frequencies. OFDMA, used in mobile WiMax, also provides signals that are immune to interference and can support high data rates. It is said to use power more efficiently than 3G systems while using smaller amplifiers and antennas. This all translates to expected lower equipment costs for wireless carriers.

* Mobile WiMAX is an IEEE specification also known as 802.16e and designed to support as high as 12Mbps data-transmission speeds. It uses OFDMA and is the next-generation technology of choice for Sprint Nextel and Clearwire Communications.

* Ultra Mobile Broadband (UMB), also known as CDMA2000 EV-DO, is an expected path to 4G for legacy CDMA network providers. It’s an IP-based technology that is said to support 100Mbps through 1Gbps data-transmission speeds. Also key for business users, it is supposed to be able to support QoS.

* Multiple-input multiple-output (MIMO) wireless LAN technology supports two or more radio signals in a single radio channel, increasing bandwidth. MIMO does this by using multiplexing. MIMO was developed by Airgo, which has been acquired by Qualcomm. MIMO is expected to support data rates as high as 315Mbps in 36MHz of spectrum.

* Long Term Evolution (LTE) is a modulation technique designed for GSM/UMTS-based technology that uses OFDM and MIMO. It’s being developed by the Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) and is said to support 45M to 144Mbps in test networks today.

There is no single 4G standard

Unlike 3G, no specific standards spell out what a 4G service, network or technology is today. Analysts say these specifications are to come, but today “4G is more of a marketing idea,” says Phil Redman, a research vice president at Gartner.

There is a mobile WiMAX standard -- the IEEE’s 802.16e standard -- on which Sprint Nextel is basing its $3 billion investment. But Redman says mobile WiMAX is not 4G, “although the WiMAX folks would love for that label to catch on.”

Still, WiMAX and other technologies may be part of a forthcoming 4G specification. “There’s no doubt that existing technologies like WiMax and other technologies such as [Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiple Access] and [multiple input multiple output] will be included in 4G,” Redman says. “But no one technology will be 4G.”

I heard that sprint doesn't have "true" 4G speeds. It more like a marketing gimick like "3G plus". Anyone confirm?

Mar 20, 10 - 03:05 pm Comment from: Macrelated

While the portable wifi technology is interesting; at $60 per month on probably a 2 year contract with a limited battery, it is not attractive to me for use with a 3G iPad which can be done on a non-contract, cancel at any time basis, for $15 or $30 per month and with no need to charge the 3G source, just the iPad itself.

Mar 20, 10 - 03:23 pm Comment from: NCIceman

This isn't about 3g or 4g to me, but about having a mobile cellular hotspot that ANY wireless device can use! Leave tethering in the dust! The only drawback is that I assume it is battery powered...

i could do without the sound of that dude chomping on his apple. Very annoying

Mar 20, 10 - 04:08 pm Comment from: HueyLong

Hey Baggins:

Did you not read the post directly before yours... it kinda answers your question, don't you think?

Clever approach. I think I'll buy one and give AT&T;the big finger for being stupid. Glad I didn't wait for the 3G iPad.

I just bought one of these 3g/4g Overdrive units, specifically to use with my WiFi only iPad when it arrives. I used to use a 3G express card with my MacBook Pro on Verizon's network and gave that up to try out Clear 4G WiMax in Chicago. What I found after using Clear for both home and mobile over the course of 3 months is that the coverage in my office was non-existent, but otherwise pretty good in Chicago. Clear is what Sprint uses and after realizing WiMax wasn't going to cover me everywhere and being very unhappy with their customer service, I dumped them and went to Sprint for the combined 3g/4g. The speeds vary greatly on WiMax, but on average I can get 1-2Mbps on the WiMax net and very solid 3G coverage everywhere else. I'm quite happy with the service thus far and Clear's WiMax coverage will improve. Sprint is a way better company to deal with than Clear... they just have the experience to support the offering that Clear seems to lack.

Mar 20, 10 - 04:32 pm Comment from: Cubert

That's sweet!!!

Actually Sprint 4G is WiMax-based but an improved version since WiMax allows speeds of up to 12Mbps, Sprint's version goes up to 22Mbps which is way faster. So basically they implemented True speeds of 4G on WiMax.

The $60 per month is a little bit high but I'd still get it. I'd be getting more from what I got since it does act like MiFi doesn't it? I think it is a MiFi. So I can use it with my laptop (No tethering required with my iPhone), iPod touch, iPad (when I get one), iPhone, and well my friend's stuff.

Mar 20, 10 - 04:59 pm Comment from: Original Jake

At that price point, who cares? Now, if they were offering it for $30/month, that would be a different story!

Yep, this is what I posted about here the other day. Just remember that they have a limited 5GB plan for $59.99. They do not offer unlimited.

@Mike T

Actually, according to the Sprint site, 4g is UNLIMITED and only 3g sharing is limited.

According to their site.

I almost bought one today, and may go ahead and do it this week. Just hate doing the contract thing.

Comparison

4G

3G

Average download speeds

3-6 Mbps

600Kbps - 1.4 Mbps

Peak download speeds*

up to 10 Mbps

up to 3.1 Mbps

Usage

Unlimited

5GB/300MB off-network roaming per month


Formatting not accurate, but you can figure it out. Unless they're being deceptive, the 4g is unlimited.

http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/onlinestore/en/Action/DisplaySelPhoneDetail?phoneSKU=FW301DOWMX&id12=MA:MS:20100222:4G_Overdrive_Q1_2010_launch&ZipCode=75711

I tried this turkey when it first came out. Their tech support did not even have specs on it. I got one third the speed of EDGE. I tried to post on the Sprint website and they blocked the review. The overdrive sucked. Evdoinfo had people listing how bad the experience was.

Mar 21, 10 - 12:28 am Comment from: Big Als MBP

Believe it or not, Rogers in Canada has the same thing in 3G, unlimited data, for $35 US per month but you have to buy the hardware.

Mar 21, 10 - 12:47 pm Comment from: pastrychef

I've been getting about 2.5-3Mb/sec downloads on my iPhone on AT&T;. More than adequate for surfing when I'm out.

Pricewise, it's not that bad.
You can connect your iPhone, iPad, laptop simultaneously to it, and you can carry it in the pocket.
So, even if iPad's plan is $30 and this from Sprint is $60, if you drop your iPhone data plan which is $30 you'll reach the same point. And you have tethering to your laptop too!

Mar 21, 10 - 10:54 pm Comment from: John Gee

Marian,

I don't think one can drop their iPhone data plan.

Sure technically it's possible but right now limited coverage and expensive, plus yet another contract lock-in for 2 years on Verizon or Sprint. Not worth it yet, but the competition should be interesting.

They Don't mention that At&t;has rolled out hspa 7.2 in more areas than sprint has wimax, and that Hspa 7.2 has speeds that are very close to wimax speeds. I average 5500 kbps downlink on 7.2.

Mar 22, 10 - 05:37 am Comment from: jorjenanis

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Mar 22, 10 - 10:44 am Comment from: theDoctor

@Marian,

You can drop your AT&T;iPhone data plan. However, you will lose Visual Voicemail since it does not work correctly over WiFi.

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=7588467

Not sure why this never appears as an option but in these write ups but in ATL, and I imagine most of the other Clear/Sprint cities, Clear is offering a bundle that includes unlimited home and mobile internet for $55.
I've been using that with VOIP, a pre-paid T-Mobile sim for those occasions when I'm out of network, and Google voice to tie them all together for about 4 months now and it's pretty great.
VOIP sound quality probably isn't quite that of ATT but I have virtually no dropped calls and I'm paying as third as much per month.

Quad Core any other cities you missed with yesterdays announcement? VZW has so much cash why not build and compete? Spectrum is always tough when you got money but not enough place to store it

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May 01, 10 - 03:16 pm Comment from: chiuser

Food for thought: Now that Ipad 3g is out, users all over forums report that Ipad 3g via att is restricted for video use. Abc player doesn't work and displays message saying can only be used on wifi connection. Netflix and Youtube are purposely downgraded to pixelated and unwatchable video. Basically, built in 3g with ATT on the ipad is good for basic (non-video) web surfing. Period. That is probably why the monthly cost is only $30 a months (after you pay the $130 ipad purchase premium).

If you instead use Verizon mifi or Sprint mifi or overdrive, then ipad treats it as a wifi connection (doesn't know it's 3g), and you get full web browsing, video streaming, etc. experience. Re Sprint vs Verizon -- Verizon more stable and in more places, but is only 3G and their device has reported signal problems (doesn't receive signal very well on the mifi); Sprint has option of 4G in certain places and growing, 4G side is unlimited data per month (3G on both V and S is 5gb a month capped), but overdrive device for some users reports stability problems (resets required) and has shorter battery life (4 hours for mifi on S and V, only 3 hours for overdrive on S), firmware update upcoming supposedly going to solve stability issues.

I have att 3g built into my laptop and have to say that over the past year, it has worked faster and faster -- agree that in reality, it works as fast as Clear and Sprint 4G on download and faster on the upload (have tested it all over Chicago). However, that is full service att data in a laptop. From forum reports on net, att 3g is restricted use in reality on the ipad (in other words, you won't get what you get from it on other devices like computers).

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