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Jul 09, 09 - 03:24 pm Comment from: Cubert

April 8th 1989 - Grateful Dead concert in Cincinnati, OH. First time I ever took acid - some of the best stuff I ever got, too. I bought it off a chick who looked dead on Tracy Chapman.

I gave it up back in 1997 but don't regret any of the 50 or so trips.

Jul 09, 09 - 03:26 pm Comment from: iWill

Two of my heros in one story.

Tremendous!

Tipping Point?

.:.

Jul 09, 09 - 03:40 pm Comment from: An Optimist

"Let's put it in the water supply and turn everybody on"

Yikes, did he actually say that?

Jul 09, 09 - 03:42 pm Comment from: January 24, 1984

Top of the Rockies in early spring.

A day I'll remember to my last.

Jul 09, 09 - 03:44 pm Comment from: Wandering Joe

I've fundet loads of private LSD research! lol ;-D

the tweekers come out of the electronic woodwork . . . .

Jul 09, 09 - 03:54 pm Comment from: MacDave

Oh, but does it make you snappy? Or happy? Perhaps just nappy....

Jul 09, 09 - 04:21 pm Comment from: Botvinnik

Optimist: lysergic acid is neutralized by the chlorine in drinking water.

So that's where he got the idea for displays so beautiful you would want to lick them!

Libertarians rejoice!

@An Optimist: Actually, Steve DID put LSD into the water and got everyone turned on. Well metaphorically at least. That's why we're all here, and why we have Macs, iPods and iPhones. We drank the water.

@Botvinnik: I knew it! It confirms my suspicions that the government fluoridated the water. That took all the fun away.

But then, I have a friend from college who swears he put LSD into a batch of Jimmy Dean pure pork sausage at the packing plant he worked at for a few summers. If your breakfast made you feel better, well, thank my friend.

As for me: Disneyland on Ousley blotter. The Space Mountain, Inside the Atom, Submarine and It's a Small World rides were as good as they come. Oh, and Pirates of the Caribbean too.

Which leads me to an important question. Pyrex, the makers of unbreakable glassware, must have an office in Jamaica. If so, I wonder if they call that division - get ready - Pyrex of the Caribbean. I'm just askin'.

Jul 09, 09 - 05:40 pm Comment from: theloniousMac

To easy.

Jul 09, 09 - 05:45 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

Cripes another journanalyst gone astray. I don't know what dictionary this guy but he must be overdoing the ego "humans are so much better than God and nature" pumping by saying that Hoffman "invented" LSD. Hoffman was the first to synthesize LSD in the lab.

LSD was invented a long long time ago, way before humans learned to even speak or come out of the trees (for you Evolutions out there) or at least a day or two before Adam was made (for you Creationists out there).

The idea of research is good though, one of the first big LSD parties were known as St. Anthony's fire that happened throughout Europe. The source of the LSD is a fungus that causes a disease known as ergot of rye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism

Unfortunately Wiki misses part of the story: "In the Middle Ages, the gangrenous poisoning was known as ignis sacer ("holy fire") or "Saint Anthony's fire", named after monks of the Order of St. Anthony who were particularly successful at treating this ailment. "

The reason for success was attributed at the time to divine intervention, although the monasteries, being richer could afford to use wheat bread (which is less susceptible to ergot) instead of rye and that is what helped a lot of people.

Some people had a great time, others suffered due to the other alkaloids found in the contaminated rye bread they were eating.

So LSD was around a long time before Hoffman. Yes isolating and synthesizing the chemical compound is a wonderful thing. To say he invented it make Ryan sound like a modern day journanalist.

Jul 09, 09 - 06:01 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

1 0 2

Holy Shit

Some of us

Might make 150





BC

Jul 09, 09 - 06:19 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

Ok, one quick story


Lived on Oahu in early 70's (don't ask) riding in car one day listening to live radio show interview with Cheech Chong who were in town for concert

The local guy asked them to tell about first time they ever took LSD

"Man, it was like, Man"

"We started taking LSD before it was even called LSD, Man"

"It was like - Hey, take this, you're really gonna like it"




BC

@Road Warrior... I suggest you do a little more reading. LSD never existed (as far as anyone knows) prior to Hoffman synthesizing it in 1938, not discovering its effects until 1943. He was working on derivatives of ergot alkaloids, as you allude. But he was using them as a starting point to create entirely new substances in the hopes of developing pharmaceuticals.

Jul 09, 09 - 08:02 pm Comment from: Spark

"It was like - Hey, take this, you're really gonna like it"

That was exactly how my first LSD trip began! My friend handed me a tiny purple square of windowpane. Not my last. Hiking naked in the wilderness, exploring pitch black abandoned mine shafts hundreds of feet below the Mojave Desert, concerts (Beach Boys to Grateful Dead), riding my '65 Ducati up Pacific Coast Highway (where do your arms end and the handlebars start?), Disneyland... all the usual stuff. Good times.

Jul 09, 09 - 08:12 pm Comment from: critic

Now we know the secret behind Steve's RDF.

My respect for Jobs just sank to a new low.

And I'm a Mac user.

Wow, who cares John. Who WASN'T tripping on LSD back in the 60s and 70s? I know a lot of people that did and they turned out just fine. I'm not advocating LSD, but back in the day, drugs were about as commonplace as beer and liquor.

Dock Ellis threw a no-hitter for the Pirates in 1970 while on LSD...just a small factoid.

Jul 09, 09 - 10:45 pm Comment from: emanon

@ John: Don't you mean to a new "high"?

The CIA experimented with LSD in the 50s as a tool to control people's memory and causing them to forget national secrets. My father was one of their testers, and LSD proved to be a failure then in any kind of controlled way. And there are plenty of people whose brains were fried by the stuff. MIght as well play Russian roulette.

Drug abusers get what the deserve in the end.

@ Eric
Dude, you are so harshing my mellow.

If you didn't have the intellectual capacity to try and/or experiment with various mind-altering substances in those days you were a narrow-minded idiot. I'm pretty sure Bill Gates had his fair share if trips, also- and Everybody inhaled!

Well, not sure that Bill got very good trips those days. But no doubt that Steve has find excellent stuff.
Now look the difference 40 years later: amazing, no?
For me, no doubt that mac & lsd are deeply linked.
Thanks Steve, thanks Albert!

Jul 10, 09 - 03:42 am Comment from: almux

LSD made it clear (but only for thoose having good tripping along) that if ever "god" or let's rather say infinity exists, this infinity CAN'T HAVE NO RELIGION(S)... Ther is no such limitation in human's idea of "god", that this has NO PLACE in a real EID experience.

Jul 10, 09 - 05:26 am Comment from: twilightmoon

@ Missy Pants

He just wants some love!

Jul 10, 09 - 07:53 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

@Road Warrior... were you peaking when you wrote that wee bit 'o gibberish?

1982. Vermont. August.
Bushwacked up a mountain, following a trail of red-spotted newts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Notophthalmus_viridescensPCCA20040816-3983A.jpg
Sat and watched a pair of yellow-bellied sapsuckers feed their chicks.
Climbed a broken stone wall into a hazy, hot, high meadow.
Bugs swirling. Cicadas.
A smell... wild strawberries.
YUM

I would've enjoyed to read the Fake Steve Jobs version on this.

Jul 10, 09 - 09:26 am Comment from: Road Warrior

@Random Coolzip.

Strictly speaking you are correct, LSD, "Lysergic acid diethylamide" itself is what Hofman synthesized. Nonetheless, as you pointed out he did use the precusor from ergot, and LSD does fall into the family of compounds that contain Lysergic acid. Considering that LSA (Lysergic acid amide) is a similar compound that also has psychotropic properties.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/var024.htm

So I guess it comes down to what your view "invention" is. LSD is a modified form of Lysergic acid, not unlike the many forms of Vitamin C for example which can be attached to a variety of salts (calcium or sodium) or esterified. While there are differences with the effect of the properties (LSD is much more psychotropic than LSA) they are still within the same family of compounds and have a similar biological effect.

I simply see it as the difference between inventing a new colour as opposed to synthesizing a new shade but strictly speaking if you want to look at the invention as creating a new organization of molecules I have no qualms with that but I much prefer "The first to synthesize LSD" to be a much more appropriate description. It isn't like he invented the first hallucinogen.

Mr. Reee, I am always peaking as I am so addicted to a fantastic substance that if I don't have any, I get severe symptoms after a few minutes. It's called oxygen. Great stuff.

My first encounter with LSD happened when a friend of mine came over and asked for help. He was having a really really bad trip. So I excused myself from the delightful young lady who was trying to pick me up in order to keep a watch over him. Word got around and as I rarely drank I got invited to a lot of parties to make sure everyone survived. It is amazing how easy you can get out of trouble with the law when there is a sober person in the group (mind you I would never ever reveal to the authorities that I am peaking on Oxygen cause it is legal and you don't have to). Going to those parties gave the benefit of meeting some very lovely women and escorting them safely home. Of course I never turned down the offer to go inside for a cup of tea and stay a few more hours.

I don't do cane toad lickers though.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_qQRNWjgMktM/R7cqm-FPtFI/AAAAAAAAAUI/1Mm2nOTfqMU/IMGP0873.JPG

I only remember coming across a salamander in the wild once. I still remember the place, and the delightful woman I was with. They are quite the magical creatures. This one was a fiery red with black spots. Thanks for reminding me of such a wonderful connection.

Jul 10, 09 - 10:38 am Comment from: iWill

First LSD trip: 31 DEC 78, New Year's Eve, Hollywood, California.
On Sunset Blvd. with a spontaneous parade of very happy people filling the streets at midnight. Utterly amazing!

Last LSD trip: 29 JUN 09, yes 2009, Memphis, Tennessee.
Spent the evening watching concert videos via YouTube/AppleTV controlled with iPhone remote. THIS is the future of television. And yes, after hundreds of trips, this too was utterly amazing!

Thank You Dr. Hofman and Mr. Jobs. We love you!!

.:.

Jul 10, 09 - 10:53 am Comment from: Always Right

Allman Bros., Philadelphia Spectrum, Christmas eve, '75

Jul 10, 09 - 12:21 pm Comment from: NCIceman

Ha, the only trip I took in the 70s was watching Star Wars. That was the most mind altering, formative moment for me of that decade.

Jul 10, 09 - 12:37 pm Comment from: nanisani

DId Steve ever try Peyote?

Jul 10, 09 - 03:00 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

Whoa, MDN did a little house cleaning on these comments

Now we're back to one page - hope this makes the cut




Now, to Road Warrior, Cubert, and a couple of others ...

From "reading between the lines" of your postings over the years

Always had the suspicion, which is now confirmed

That you are, as Jimi said

"Experienced"

"Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful"




BC


p.s. to nanisani

Naw, no one "tries" Peyote

You take it - then it tries you

@Eric

Fascists will take puppies and create bacterial weapons take apples and create nerve agents. Of course they would take Ergot and fry peoples brains. That what Satans minions and peons do. NOT impressed.

Jul 12, 09 - 04:50 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

Gosh thanks BC Kelly...I think. While I appreciate the artistic value of Jimi Hendrix music it really doesn't do much for me. Now a good rendition of Vivaldi's Four Seasons, that's a different story.

Jul 12, 09 - 05:19 pm Comment from: Cubert

@ BC Kelly,
I really do think even one experience with a hallucinogen changes you - for the better (as long as it isn't a bad trip).

My personality (sense of humor, wit, intelligence, etc - all of it) comes from many factors, but my extensive use of various drugs has definitely influenced it in a big way (I've done everything under the sun except IV shit - stay away from that and don't ever get hooked on opioids, benzos, or alcohol). You just need to keep things in perspective and not let it grab a hold of you.

I have never tried peyote, nor do I ever want to. Everyone I know who has says they hallucinate about their own death, which is not something that I would find "fun". I did take mescaline once, though - good shit.

Now, to do another line of blow (not kidding) - it's one of my blowout party weekends (pun very much intended). But, back to work tomorrow and back to reality - I just don't let it affect my work or my relationships with friends and family (although, of course, not all know about my....uhh....habits).



"Drivin' that train, high on......"

Jul 13, 09 - 07:06 am Comment from: Road Warrior

Cubert, I think you have a grand idea. "I really do think even one experience with a hallucinogen changes you - for the better".

I remember hallucinating on a regular basis when I was a child, usually on Saturday mornings. I would watch the images dance upon the curtain as I laid in bed. I think that is something a lot of people forget as they grow older, how to hallucinate, or alter their consciousness. I won't bore you on the details about all that but there are some theories on the topic.

The big question though is about the mechanism. Some might say that hallucinations are caused by nerve stimulation that project the images. Others might say that the hallucinations are caused by nerve stimulations that open up nerve pathways that are usually inhibited from one another i.e. the hallucination is real, you are just programed not to perceive such manifestations. Sort of like not being able to perceive a bird in a tree until it moves, even though you might be able to hear it.

Either way, it is real fun is being a hallucination. That really freaks people out. Or as I love to pun it when am intimate...just a fragment of your invagination.

Cheers.