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May 08, 08 - 08:19 am Comment from: Ray

The only thing that can save M$ is if Ballmer gets a fatal coronary or injury during one of his chair throwing work outs.

Just my $0.02

May 08, 08 - 08:22 am Comment from: dd

Haha: Get a Mac. You can even run bloated, old Microsoft OSes until you realize you never want to do so again.

Funny stuff. :D

May 08, 08 - 08:23 am Comment from: John

Wow, looks like a rough day for Microsoft, and it's only 9:30!

I worked in R&D;for many years and only once did I have a supervisor who called a meeting during a project and said " gentlemen, I screwed up", "We have to change the research direction". This guy listened to the problems and made corrections as he went. Others I worked for would never admit a mistake.

May 08, 08 - 08:29 am Comment from: macoverdose_dot_com

you know what it means when you see the rats jumping ship......

Ballmer needs one of these:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=jqxuAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=Patent+2982248&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1

May 08, 08 - 08:34 am Comment from: HMCIV

The software our company develops is very memory and graphics card intensive. There is absolutely now way we can switch to Vista. This means we're forcing our customers to stick with XP. Thankfully the see us as a voice of reason rather than a boat anchor.

Meanwhile corporate still doesn't trust IE 7 enough to allow us to upgrade to that. Thank G-a-a-wd they're indifferent about Safari & Firefox!

May 08, 08 - 08:36 am Comment from: Metryq

PlaysForSure: (soundFX toilet flush)
Vista: (soundFX toilet flush)
Microsoft...

It's only 6:40 am in Redmond.

"Microsoft should kill Windows Vista, write it off as a big mistake"

That's why more than 120 millions of persons already have Vista. That OS is okay. It just requires you to buy a 3 Ghz system. That's the flaw.

On the other hand, if you want a Mac, then you gotta be ready to pay more than the rest and be restricted to the Steve Jobs world...

If you go Linux, you don't have a lot of choice...

Conclusion: The world of OS is very very sad... as a consumer, you don't have a lot of options.

May 08, 08 - 08:53 am Comment from: shen

"Windows had become too big and complex, forcing a reset back to a known good code set based on Windows Server 2003"

errr, how exactly is that a 'known good code set'?!?

my goddess these people are seriously screwed up......

May 08, 08 - 08:53 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

Microsoft doesn't make mistakes. The problem is Vista is misunderstood. Once end users finally wrap their heads around Microsoft's revolutionary and wildly innovative OS Vista will take off. In other words, it isn't Vista, it's you.

The 'WOW' hasn't stopped for me, and the passion hasn't stopped for Microsoft. What you MAC sheep don't get is when Microsoft says "The WOW Starts Now" they mean it. It isn't some empty marketing slogan some clueless MBA cooked up after being underwhelmed by bloatware. Vista is the OS all others are trying to catch, but won't because Microsoft is passionate about quality, reliability and user experience. You MAC dorks have no clue.

Your potential. Our passion.™

@Mac+
No, MS has shipped 120 million copies. Many of those went to corporations that immediately wiped the drives and installed their own images with XP on them. Others went to dealers that did the same thing for their customers. Many of the rest were wiped by the end users. Finally, there are the users too ignorant or brainwashed by MS marketing to replace Vista.

May 08, 08 - 08:57 am Comment from: shen

"Vista. That OS is okay. It just requires you to buy a 3 Ghz system. That's the flaw."

ummm, no, speed is not the problem with vista. as MANY people will tell you. and adoption isn't the issue in a monopoly.

"On the other hand, if you want a Mac, then you gotta be ready to pay more than the rest and be restricted to the Steve Jobs world..."

to quote my favorite slashdot post ever. "i don't believe you, i was so sure a Mac wasn't priced the same as a Dell that i went comparison shopping and sure enough, i can't make the Mac cost enough to equal the Dell."

kill off that BS meme, kthxbi.

"If you go Linux, you don't have a lot of choice..."

choice in what? did you get anything right in this post?

May 08, 08 - 09:12 am Comment from: silverwarloc

@Mac+:

Your logic is flawed. You are thinking that the glass is half empty. You might want to ask yourself this: how can you quantify something that is not there?

May 08, 08 - 09:17 am Comment from: Ampar

"You might want to ask yourself this: how can you quantify something that is not there?"

Maybe he is deafened by the thunder of one hand clapping.

Dear oh dear Mac+, you really are a sad case. I can only assume you work at/for/with Microsoft.

I finally had to install bootcamp and Windows XP on my MacPro to run a PC only app. This is the best Windows PC I have ever used. It is fast and trouble free.

Besides all the problems, what does Windows Vista offer the user? Oh yea, higher price

" 'Windows had become too big and complex, forcing a reset back to a known good code set based on Windows Server 2003'

errr, how exactly is that a 'known good code set'?!?"

It's not even accurate; W2K3's code base is akin to XP. Vista and W2K8, however, share the exact same kernel. That's not even a secret.

More blustering posing as journalism.

May 08, 08 - 09:49 am Comment from: James

I am officially ignoring your posts from now on, Mac+. You must be very bored.

How is being able to run Windows right along side OS X (and by all accounts, faster than on a Windows box) being stuck in Steve Job's world? Last time I checked, all the iDevices were Windows compatible too . . .

I think one of the best things that could happen to Apple is for MS to continue down this road of forcing users to Vista. This will only accelerate the switch and grow more market share.

May 08, 08 - 10:02 am Comment from: Spark

I think the best thing for Homeland Security to do with its budget is to buy every Windows XP and earlier-running PC and dump them into a landfill. Those machines have made enabled the bane of drone-generated spam and the rise of cybercriminals. For all its faults, at least Vista is not as porous when connected to a WAN.

May 08, 08 - 10:12 am Comment from: Davidlow

Windows Vista is the new New Coke.

@ James and the rest of y'all

"How is being able to run Windows right along side OS X... being stuck in Steve Job's world?"

This makes the all solution very expensive!!! You guys are very very funny... It's like, you want quality (OSX), then pay a loooot more. Otherwise, go cheap (Dell/MS) or the difficult way (Linux). No one out there is delivery an affordable/decent/cool/good quality solution. If Apple had a complete solution for $799 or $899, I wouldn't be posting this one.

All I want to say, is that there is something missing in the market. Something, neither Windows, Apple nor Linux are taping in!!! As usual, if you don't write to praise Steve Jobs on this forum, you get all the bashings... what a pity!!!

May 08, 08 - 10:27 am Comment from: Spark

Actually, what Mac+ originally said wasn't off the mark.

Would it be wrong for us to sign the petition also?

I like how long the list of "related articles" to this topic is.

Why stop at XP? Bring back Windows Me! Hell, go all the way back to the first one, whatever it was called! (I've never used one.)

May 08, 08 - 11:05 am Comment from: praus

@Mac+

Sorry man but a stripped down, bargin basement, POS that needs a bunch of apps and hardware added to make it usable doesn't count as complete.

Also just because Apple doesn't bundle it together it doesn't mean you can't get a complete apple solution for that price. You can get a Mac mini for $599, a monitor, keyboard and mouse like the ones the bargin basement PCs have, all for about $150-175 maybe $200 more.

http://underbid.com/action/display/item/35695-1064538998/sku/VA703B.html

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordless-Desktop-EX110-967561-0403/dp/B0009V6TL4/ref=sr_1_1/103-6597137-7122219?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1210262440&sr=1-1

All said that's right at or around $799. If you wanted to spend $300 on the monitor, mouse and keyboard you'd still only be at $899.

May 08, 08 - 11:06 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ sleeve

I've made up a dozen names already!

May 08, 08 - 11:14 am Comment from: iDon't

Does Vista use a registry like XP does? The Windows reistry is evil. The registry is the cause of most Windows problems because it degrades the OS over time.

@Mac+

There is this cool little machine called the mac mini... I'm not sure if you have heard of it but it's a complete computer for around your price range you mentioned. Or you can spend a little more and get an imac for 1200. The best part of it all is neither are bloated POS computers that look ugly and come with windows to start. If you are gettin a computer for $800 with keyboard mouse and monitor... then its a POS.

May 08, 08 - 11:17 am Comment from: Ampar

To iDon't:

Yes.

For example:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756

Manual steps to back up the registry in Windows Vista or in Windows Vista
1. Click Start, type systempropertiesprotection in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER.
If you are prompted for an administrator password or for a confirmation, type the password, or click Allow.
2. Wait for Windows to search for available disks and most recent restore points. In the System Properties dialog box, on the System Protection tab, click Create,
3. Type a name for the restore point and then click Create.
4. After the restore point has been created successfully, click OK two times.

May 08, 08 - 11:19 am Comment from: Ampar

"On the other hand, if you want a Mac, then you gotta be ready to pay more than the rest and be restricted to the Steve Jobs world..."

That qualifies as FUD.

May 08, 08 - 11:24 am Comment from: iDon't

Ampar, thanks. And oh my Gawd!! Sounds like Vista is really just another nasty XP service pack. No new technology break thru.

I recently used Vista in Best Buy and it looks better than XP but other than that I was not impressed.

May 08, 08 - 11:38 am Comment from: Jim - TIV

The VERY BEST THING that could happen to Apple is for MS to actually kill XP and force people into Vista. If they are just stupid enough to do it Apple could get another huge influx of switchers.

Mac+ - not flaming you here, just trying to get you to listen to reason.

120 million shipped is not 120 million happy customers. 120 million copies of vista shipped is 120 million potential frustrated windows customers and 120 million computer users looking for a solution to their problem.

Every copy of vista shipped is a boon to Apple. Regardless of the fact that Apple doesn't offer a tower in the range you're suggesting, if MS continues to offer Vista, and takes away XP, Apple will continue to gain market share at MS' expense.

I've got 38 friends and acquaintances, and four businesses, that I've help switch from windows to mac since BootCamp came out. The majority of those people, and all of the businesses, switched after Vista's release. They GLADLY spent the extra $$, and the time investment in learning a new OS, to get a working, no hassle computer.

While they initially start out thinking that they now can have a great computer that won't crash or get infected with viruses by surfing the net or through email on the Mac side, and that they can now run XP and all their software AND have OSX, this only lasts for a few months. Without my having to say another word to them, they transition to OSX is a slow, predictable, methodical way.

They live in the dual mode of windows/mac for about 1 month. Then it's mac/windows for a month or so. Then it's all mac. Not one has switched back or regretted their financial investment.

Simply put, MS's failure to deliver a quality OS is driving customers to spend more for quality. The argument about a mid to low range tower doesn't hold anymore because of this fact. People eventually will spend more for a quality OS, and a quality computer.

May 08, 08 - 11:49 am Comment from: Ampar

"Sounds like Vista is really just another nasty XP service pack."


Lipstick on a pig. And not even the cute pig like
Petunia.

Seems like if Microsoft wants to stop selling xp/pro. And sell their really hot and new os, why not! Just let people have the old xp for free download. I'm sure that somebody would provide that for free. Since xp isn't worth selling anymore, say's Microsoft.

When MicroSoft withdrew its offer to buy Yahoo, some suggested Yahoo's stock would drop when the markets opened Monday and MicroSoft would then try again. I don't know I'm paranoid enough to think this was their plan, but I thought it was a plausible scenario. However, MicroSoft has been hammered with bad press about their core business since first thing Monday morning.

They really don't get any respect any more. Not that they deserve any.

You seem to be one of very few that thinks the Mac is expensive. Have you ever tried a Mac Mini? Don't knock it 'til you do.

@ @Mac+

Mac mini is an absolute joke. No screen, no keyboard, and you pay $799 for 1 Ghz... let me laugh. The most affordable Apple real computer is the iMac. And you are $200 above $1 thousand minimum.

May 08, 08 - 02:52 pm Comment from: Ampar

" . . . and you pay $799 for 1 Ghz... let me laugh."

The Mac mini has a 1.83GHz or 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor.

http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

May 08, 08 - 02:55 pm Comment from: Ampar

To Mac+:

P.S.

From the Apple Store:

1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
80GB hard drive
Ships: Within 24 hours
Free Shipping
$599.00

Your numbers are off by quite a bit.

Vista the HD-DVD of the OS world.

Vista? I thought that was a virus for XP.

May 08, 08 - 09:48 pm Comment from: HazMatt

Mac+, I have to say you are losing credibility with me as well. People are laughing at YOU for making up stats like a $799 1GHz model.

The Mac mini IS a budget computer and is crippled with laptop style components (slower hard drive, integrated graphics) but those are perfectly acceptable cutbacks for many people, and in my experience with many of these small computers, they are good units.

I plan on getting a Mac mini soon - hopefully when Apple updates the product line. I would prefer a lower cost Mac tower for expandability, but the Mac mini will do.

May 08, 08 - 10:06 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

Delusions of grandeur: "Microsoft doesn't make mistakes."

Redundancy used more often than the boy who cried wolf: "Once end users finally wrap their heads around Microsoft's revolutionary and wildly innovative OS Vista will take off."

Monoculturalism: "In other words, it isn't Vista, it's you."
Yes, fortunately people are divers, and there are enough intelligent ones to make up for the majority of ZTs using Windoze.

Fill in the blanks:The 'WOW' hasn't stopped for me," nor has it started.

Once up the a$$ always up the a$$: "and the passion hasn't stopped for Microsoft."

A history lesson: "What you MAC sheep don't get is when Microsoft says "The WOW Starts Now" they mean it. It isn't some empty marketing slogan some clueless MBA cooked up after being underwhelmed by bloatware." it is actually an empty marketing slogan some clueless MBA cooked up BEFORE being underwhelmed by bloatware."

And finally: "You MAC dorks have no clue. " reminds me of a saying: "Strong words make for a weak argument."

Anyway Zune Thang, it is another of a growing list of commentary along with 194,000 signatures (not that much actually, I would have thought it would go up to a billion, but hey just goes to show you how clueless people are) pointing out something that intelligent people already know.

May 09, 08 - 03:45 am Comment from: ken1w

A petition will not work in this case. They won't collect very many signatures because most Windows users are clueless. When they buy their next PC, it comes with whatever OS it comes with... they don't care and it does not effect their decision. If they did care, they would actually consider getting a Mac instead of blindly following their herding instincts.

Those 194,000 signatures indicate the low percentage of Windows users who have enough of a clue to care, and not want Vista.

XP is stone age not ancient.

Congratulations to MS for selling 140 million copies of Vista and all fifty of their customers who are now successfully using it on a daily basis!