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Feb 02, 08 - 12:23 pm Comment from: HazMatt

Is "Windows 7" really going to be the full name? I've always preferred real version numbers to the confusion of XP / Vista / Me.

Feb 02, 08 - 12:32 pm Comment from: shen

no,the full name will be Windows "Trust Us This Time It Really Works, No, Seriously, We Mean It!"

i am sure it will first get a stupid code name, and then as more and more people get sick of Vista it will get a marketing name like "Windows QC"

Windows 7

Mac OS X as in 10

Windows 3 upgrades behind. Sounds about right.

Feb 02, 08 - 12:35 pm Comment from: Ampar

"I like to tell people that all of our products and business will go through three phases. There's vision, patience, and execution."
- S. Ballmer

Feb 02, 08 - 12:36 pm Comment from: Mike Caine

It seems an odd choice of number, being 3 behind OS X

It's going to be interesting to see how much of Leopard finds its way into Winbloze 7 and how Microyahoosoft try and claim it as their own.

By the time it does arrive we will probably be two more big cats down the road.

I thought it was going to be called Yahoodos or Winhoo.

Feb 02, 08 - 12:41 pm Comment from: Ampar

I'll bet Win 7 will be glossier (but not snappier).

Feb 02, 08 - 12:49 pm Comment from: shawnpetriw

Finally!! Microsoft is using vaporware against THEMSELVES! Oh Happy Day.

Did you really think that Microsoft was not planning to replace Vista as soon as possible. Geez, if you thought so that makes you stupider than everyone who works for Microsoft who bungled the Vista job in the first place.

Of course, you fanbois, would never be so secure about yer own Apple OS unless ya had Vista to mock. That's pathetic.

Besides, when Apple releases 10.5.2 does this mean that 10.5.1 was imperfect. Obviously.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:04 pm Comment from: gzero

@DS,

Bzzt. Wrong answer. Thanks for playing.

I was going to buy a Mac but then I heard about Microsoft's new Windows 7 and that it's going to be like way more mega awesome than anything on the planet! So I guess I'll hold off buying a new computer until 2015 or so...

If I ever to go back to windows (thats a big if) I rather prefer WinXp or Win98 over Vista...

Feb 02, 08 - 01:09 pm Comment from: Zune Tang®

Dream on, MAC-tards. The 'Wow' has never been more now. I am genuinely touched by how proud Microsoft is of Vista and even more impressed by how they stand by this revolutionary OS in the face of MAC lemming's astroturfing. Five years hard work completely reworking XP has really paid off. When did Apple ever pour five years into a core product and have the fantastic and groundbreaking results Microsoft has with Vista?

The enterprise can't wait to get their hands on the awesome security and efficiency features in Vista. I've been using it at work and the only complaints come from the morons who can't wrap their minds around some of the awesome new innovations. Like my boss and his boss. And some of my colleagues and the sales + marketing guys alongside the people who support them. Legal has a few problems with Vista. The warehouse and fulfillment folks complain too, but they bitch about everything. Accounting doesn't complain because Vista is so cost effective.

Thank you, Redmond. It has been worth the wait.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Feb 02, 08 - 01:11 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Uh oh. It ain't gonna be pretty when Zune Tang gets wind of this.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:14 pm Comment from: LorD1776

I was too slow. But he took it better than I thought.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:15 pm Comment from: macaholic

better than usual comment! thanks ZT!

The question is will Steve seize the moment or, as he has done before, fail to interpret it correctly (because he's so arrogantly sure he makes no mistakes - a fatal flaw in any human being) or, worse still, fail to recognize it at all. We'll see.

@DS

Of course OS X is imperfect - nobody ever said it was perfect. Unfortunately for M$ fanbois like you, it's still leagues better than ALL versions of Windoze - they all suck.

gzero:

I'll concede to yer brilliance if you will first demonstrate yer superior intelligence by explaining why it is you are correct.

Until then, I mock you.

Sorry for the cross-posts, but this is worth repeating. From Marketwatch.com:

Microsoft reported a total of cash and short term investments of $21.1 billion as of Dec. 31, according to regulatory filings. Should Yahoo accept the offer including $22.3 billion in cash, Microsoft may have to seek additional financing.

For all of Ballmer's train wrecks, he's finally managed to achieve the big one.

MS is utterly insane if they think they can simultaneously handle going to into debt (perhaps by billions), manage a massive merger with an also-ran portal, yet again attempt to "fix Windows" on a schedule, AND finally deliver 10 years worth of OS empty promises.

If people think Vista cost MS credibility, just wait...

Feb 02, 08 - 01:24 pm Comment from: Petey

RIP Windows 7 2009.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:28 pm Comment from: Micro Me

Not bad Zuney. Not bad at all. At last, some new material.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:31 pm Comment from: ericdano

Bachelor's? I think you could probably get that, a Masters, a Doctorate, done an internship, and be practicing when it hits.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:32 pm Comment from: Spark

Windows 7 is code name for Windows Vista SP1

Feb 02, 08 - 01:35 pm Comment from: ken1w

> It seems an odd choice of number, being 3 behind OS X

If Apple wasn't stuck on the "X" (10) thing, Mac OS X Leopard would be Mac OS 15. Actually, maybe Mac OS 8 and Mac OS 9 should have been 7.7 and 7.8, so do a minus 2. But I'll defer the version numbers to Steve Jobs and the marketing folks, who did a very smart thing getting the modern Mac OS to be version 10. I wonder what significant milestone will be required to get it to version 11. Hopefully, it won't be the fact that we ran out of marketable big cat names.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:39 pm Comment from: Ferf Muckmeyer

RIP Microsoft as an OS company. I see a restructuring where the OS business is spun off, Office business spun off, remaining software and hardware spun off. Microshit is yesterday's news. Vista is a bonafide failure - the sales numbers are a fallacy.

Clunker's post even paints a much darker picture. The whole Yahoo deal is probably Ballmer's dumbest, moronic plans that ever was spewed from that tongue-swagging piehole. I hope all of this spells the end of this software shithole of a company.

I think Piper Jaffary's estimate of doubling market share by 2011 is conservative. I see 15%, and 20% shortly thereafter.

When Windows 7 comes out of Ballmer's ass, it will be too late.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:39 pm Comment from: marko

@DS - improving upon an OS is a matter of course... the issue here is how much improvement is required. Mac OSX stands on its own... we don't need Vista to mock... we do that just for the sheer pleasure of it...

@ Clunker - wow... if what you say is true, MS really could implode...

Feb 02, 08 - 01:39 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ shawnpetriw

It's not vapourware, it's 'vision'.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:40 pm Comment from: ken1w

> Windows 7 is code name for Windows Vista SP1

Actually, Microsoft should repackage the planned Windows XP SP3, add a few cosmetic changes, and call it Windows 7. That's the only way Microsoft will have "Windows 7" ready in the next three years. The Windows-using drones will be happy to pay for anything that's not called "Vista."

Feb 02, 08 - 01:42 pm Comment from: qka

@clunker

You're on the right track, but you forgot
- make the Xbox 360 reliable
- make Silverlight (or whatever their Flash competitor is called) a success
- make the Zune a success
- make just about whatever else they do a success

My personal prediction is that by 2020, Microsoft will be a has been. IBM today is bigger than MS will be then.

"Microsoft? Yeah, weren't they big back in the 1990's?"

Of course OS X is imperfect - nobody ever said it was perfect.

So you agree with me.

I'd rather keep Apple's feet to the fire (merely a figure of speech) for better products than swoon incoherently with every new Apple release, overlook every software bug, and excuse every hardware fault.

(OS X is) still leagues better than ALL versions of Windoze

Peanut butter, dill pickle, habanero, and mayo sandwiches may taste better to you than dog shit sandwiches, but I'm not paying for either.

I had a thought, but I flushed it.

Feb 02, 08 - 01:55 pm Comment from: Ampar

Hasta la . . .

Windows 7 is actually a poetic representation of MS' 7 deadly sins. Just my guess.

Feb 02, 08 - 02:17 pm Comment from: MacSmiley

@zfd,

Apple keeps its own feet to the fire. You don't see innovation coming from Microsoft. Mergers and corporate takeovers don't qualify as innovation.

Feb 02, 08 - 02:24 pm Comment from: LorD1776

zfd,

You may not pay for dog shit sandwiches, but I'll bet you wolf them down with great gusto. Is that a dingleberry on the corner of your mouth?

Feb 02, 08 - 02:32 pm Comment from: LorD1776

ken1w,

"Hopefully, it won't be the fact that we ran out of marketable big cat names."

Apple needs to invest some of those billions of dollars into genetic engineering. If those whacky scientists can create new versions of feline critters we won't have to worry about running out of titles.
And Apple could think up the names, or have a contest for the Mac faithful to do so. I'll bet Ampar could come up with some.

Feb 02, 08 - 02:33 pm Comment from: NeonRed

MS giving up on Vista. CARS is going into hiatus. What's happening world? Where is that rock in these turbulent times?
I presume MDN will have to do by its lonesome. Arrggg!

Feb 02, 08 - 02:35 pm Comment from: LorD1776

ken1w,

"Actually, Microsoft should repackage the planned Windows XP SP3, add a few cosmetic changes, and call it Windows 7. That's the only way Microsoft will have "Windows 7" ready in the next three years. The Windows-using drones will be happy to pay for anything that's not called "Vista.""

With ideas like that, you could be the next MicroSoft CEO.

Microsoft + Windows + Yahoo!

A fine combination. Not.

Feb 02, 08 - 02:43 pm Comment from: Lurker_PC

Oh no. Does this mean I am going to have a big ass table at work when the company "upgrades" to the next version of Windows?

Probably will be made out of faux wood. Why not, it is a faux OS.

Peace.

Feb 02, 08 - 02:47 pm Comment from: Rich Apple person

I fail to understand why some Mac people take such joy in reporting news that undermines MS ? Yes they are the Goliath of the industry but they also have to make software that works with a hell of a lot of third party apps and hardware. Apple of course does not have this problem and Yes NOW OSX is a better system all around then Vista or XP but believe it or not MS will survive and thrive. I prefer Apple to have smaller market share so that I can continue to enjoy world class customer service

Microsoft + Windows + Yahoo =

HoodoSoft??

Ingesting Yahoo, while undertaking Windows 7 is bound to push back the official release to 2015.

Feb 02, 08 - 03:16 pm Comment from: ken1w

@ LorD1776

> With ideas like that, you could be the next MicroSoft CEO.

Hey, it worked for Apple. Mac OS 8.x and 9.x could be called "service packs" to System 7. OK, they added some nice features to the existing System 7.6, but many of the changes were purely "cosmetic." It was a stall tactic while Apple acquired NeXT and finished Mac OS X. Microsoft needs to once again copy from Apple's playbook, while it ponders the future of Windows.

Feb 02, 08 - 03:19 pm Comment from: neomonkey

1. Vision

2. ????

3. Profit!

ZuneTang .. so what your saying is EVERYONE except finance hates Vista ... and those that like it, like it because of the price, except you ... thats 1 person in a company ... I think your argument is upside down, and you agree Vista sucks based upon everyone elses opinion except yours ..... thanks for showing people the truth ... I appreciate it.

Feb 02, 08 - 03:34 pm Comment from: ztwatcher

ZuneTang said "When did Apple ever pour five years into a core product and have the fantastic and groundbreaking results Microsoft has with Vista?"

So it takes 5 years for MSoft to redevelop its core system, copy ideas that already exist .. and this is what they deliver?

If Apple took 5 years, could you imagine what amazing products they would release?

Im afraid your argument doesn't actually make sense .... again.

I am so sick of these bashings back and forth, I am an avid Mac user, and I also use Linux, and I also use Vista / XP, been using the lot of them for years. Vista I think is rather nice, elegant looking and nicely integrated with machines if setup right. All of these OS's have their pluses and minuses...you fanboys go ahead and continue to bash back and forth...you'll outgrow it eventually. Myself I use them all and like them all.