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Jul 23, 08 - 10:21 am Comment from: Jamie

I often wonder why people put up with Windows. It is, by all acounts, a pile of shit.

Life's too short. Get a Mac.

I think more like an evil step-mothers OS.

Jul 23, 08 - 10:22 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

Maybe MS should spend their money on fixing the damn thing. But, then, marketing has always been their greatest strength. It's good to see their efforts failing on every front.

Jul 23, 08 - 10:22 am Comment from: ericdano

I heard it was $300 million. Now it is $500? Wow.........WOW

Microsoft Vista

Quality. We'll help you see it.

'Microsoft attempts to polish Vista turd'

I am sooooo glad these operating systems are not available as a scratch 'n' sniff.

Jul 23, 08 - 10:33 am Comment from: fastmemory

Good luck. I have a comment on the imagined scenario though. M$ has made it clear that Windows 7 will use most of the same code as Vista, so "swearing" the next version will be better is a stretch. It looks like XP is as "good" as Doze will ever get.

Jul 23, 08 - 10:35 am Comment from: HMCIV

At one point everyone thought the Earth was flat. Get the facts about Windows Vista.

Most people abandoned that myth LONG before Columbus sailed. But like Columbus Microsoft will get half way and declare success. Don't believe me? Ask the "Indians".

Jul 23, 08 - 10:36 am Comment from: ron

Just give the five million vista sufferers a hundred dollars each and forget the whole thing. !

Jul 23, 08 - 10:37 am Comment from: Jimbo von Winskinheimer

My father would never have used Windows!

ericdano writes, "I heard it was $300 million. Now it is $500? Wow.........WOW"

Just as the price of Windows went up from XP to Vista, so too does the price of justifying Vista. Were Microsoft a "normal" company without the billions in illicit profits to defend each product line, it would have failed long ago.

I hope my company gets to feed at the Vista advertising trough. Again.

$500 million flushed down the toilet ...

... still a toilet product.

Jul 23, 08 - 10:47 am Comment from: ken1w

I'm more likely to believe the world is flat than Vista doesn't suck.

After seeming to give up on Vista, Microsoft must have realized that "Windows 7" is a long ways off. Better get some people to willingly buy Vista.

An old Nazi said it best ....
" Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it ".

The truth is MS spent 5 years developing this "revolutionary " OS
and it's a turd. TURD.

Why will the next version be any better ? Why would anyone have any confidence in their ability to develop a good OS?

Jul 23, 08 - 10:52 am Comment from: fastmemory

Actually, I have another problem with the whole tone of the article. The article is saying that Vista is not as bad as people say, and that Apple has a lot of problems too, and implies Vista is just as good, but people aren't seeing the "real" Vista.

It never says Apple is better or even better by comparison; it seems to imply that Apple has fooled people, (if you read the article as a cynic) into believing its products are better.

As their right, this is a very pro-Doze piece, and gives no credit whatsoever to Apple's technical excellence.

Jul 23, 08 - 10:58 am Comment from: Demon

More Gloves!!!! More Gloves!!!! Microsoft is spewing Vista!!! God Man More Gloves!!!!

Jul 23, 08 - 11:02 am Comment from: dd

Runs 98 of the top 100 consumer software programs, including Apple iTunes, Adobe Photoshop, Intuit QuickBooks and more. In total, more than 2,700 applications are now certified to work on Windows Vista—and more join the list each day.


THIS is funny. Notice the first example of a program that runs is an Apple program. At one point, it used to be Apple that had to prove that Microsoft stuff ran.

:D :D

Why didn't they just spend the 500 million to create a great product rather than to convince people to love a crappy one? People can defend it all they want but it's just bad.

My father's windows? Hell, I had to clean them every spring. When that was done, I got to play with my trusty Apple IIE!

Yeah, don't denigrate my Father either.

He became a Mac-Head with Mac Plus when he was over 50 years old and never looked back. PageMaker changed his life.

Windows. It is your father's OS.

Unfortunately true. Try spending your evening dealing with a corrupt Windows registry preventing the system from booting. Grr.

Comment posted by Jamie: "I often wonder why people put up with Windows. It is, by all accounts, a pile of shit."

Reply: Many people buy PCs running Windows strictly because of price, even though they may understand that the Mac OS is a superior operating system. Similarly, many people buy a Chevy because they cannot afford a Mercedes, even though they understand the Chevy is not the same quality.

Perhaps Apple will update the Mac Mini, which has a poor value proposition right now. Then people like myself, who cannot afford a more expensive iMac, and who may have a nice LCD monitor, can finally afford to switch over to Mac OS.

Sometimes longer usable life, lower operating costs, more productive hours, etc. are not enough to make the jump when you simply cannot afford the machine to begin with.

Well this 20 year MacHead is about to purchase his first Windows laptop.

Why do you ask?

Because I have had perfect computing for so long I think I need to be abused some.

Kind of like going to Las Vegas, you go there to lose, all the time thinking your going to win, but need to do the experience anyway. Like sticking your hand in the fire to prove it hurts.

After all I would be a bias SOB if I at least didn't give Vista a try right?

Think of all the money I can make fixing idiot Windows computers...

Lets face it Mac friends, most of the world doesn't have the ability to compare quality and thus will be stuck with Windows... so I might as well make a buck off these fools.

Naturally I'll keep my MacBook Pro, to treat myself once in awhile, like a good steak and beer after eating bagged lunch all week.

Mmmmm Outback...

Jul 23, 08 - 11:53 am Comment from: Dialtone

BTW, speaking of "me too." Did anyone notice the new Verizon ad where the music playing on the new touch screen iPhone wannabe was "Apples In Stereo?" For a few frames, viewers see the word "Apples" in large letters. Shades of "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard. Slick, but kind of pathetic.

Jul 23, 08 - 11:53 am Comment from: Sooly

What's so sad is that this $500M can go to:

> poor families
> beaten/trashed kids
> beaten wives
> homeless
> 9/11 families
> unfortunate, genius young people who don't have the $750k to go to Harvard, Yale, etc.

Jul 23, 08 - 11:55 am Comment from: Roberto

Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it came out of Nazi Josef Goebbel’s playbook.

The hilarious thing is that Microsoft will pay that half-billion sum to creative agencies, who use Macs (often with Linux render farms). Those creative agencies will in turn pay the money to Mac software developers and to Apple.

I love Microsoft sometimes. Thanks, Ballmer! You da man!

$750K to go to Harvard??? What, are you buying a house on campus?

The list price of a Harvard education is $42K per year, but the average student only pays $25K after grants. That's $100K for a four-year degree, not $750K.

Jul 23, 08 - 11:58 am Comment from: Roberto

Mmmmm Outback...
Oughtta take you outback behind the wood shed and tan your hide for gettin' a Windahs laptop..

Jul 23, 08 - 12:00 pm Comment from: Sooly

The Harvard price was just a guess, Sum. At least, that's what I've heard from a graduate at one time...

What? The Earth is NOT FLAT!!!!!

Microsoft'll be telling us the Sun DOESN'T revolve around the Earth next!

Jul 23, 08 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Ampar

"That's $100K for a four-year degree, not $750K."

The balance is for drugs, keggers, hookers, bribes and secret society fees.

It's the recommended budgeting plan for undergrads with political aspirations.

"Windows. It is your father's OS"

Like hell. Dad brought home an Apple IIc back in the day. I'm the dummy that spent years in the working world on PCs.

...I got better.

At one point everyone thought you have to use Microsoft for your computing needs. Until...

I have a Windoze machine for gaming (glorified game box, yeh) -- my newest one came with Vista. Never would've bought a PC in the first place if the boneheads who made City of Heroes would have made a Mac version when it came out. So COH and WoW are the primary uses of the PC. It also gets used for a little web-surfing and recording an audio stream now and then. Minimal use outside of gaming. I use my old Mac laptop for everything else.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but at first I liked Vista better than XP for one reason: Vista is less difficult to pretty up (understatement, XP was so dog-**** ugly no matter what I did to it that just about anything was an improvement). However...

Notice I said "liked" up there -- I've found out that City of Heroes runs like crap on Vista and figuring out what to do to fix whatever the eff is wrong with it is like deciphering an alien language with a 50 billion letter alphabet. Some days it's so damn aggravating I just throw my hands up and turn it off.

If I had the cash to buy a new Mac, I'd get one and dump the PC for gaming. It can't be worse than what I put up with now to play COH.

What I'm getting at is: okay, so you can kinda "polish" the turd (make Vista look prettier than XP), but it's still a turd.

Every day I see so many posts about how bad Windows Vista is that I have to wonder if all those complaining about it actually used it. I guess most of them are just following the stories on the web without getting the actual facts. I run both Vista and OS X Leopard. Vista runs on an HP laptop and OS X on a Macbook Pro and they both run well, no actually, very well.

I am not more productive on the Mac than on Vista or the other way around. I can find great applications for both OSes. OS X has not crashed on me but neither did Vista. They are both fast with Vista feeling faster but the HP notebook has better specs.

Just use what you think is best for you but don't base your opinion on what you read on the web. Work with both for a while and then make up your mind!

"Windows. It is your father's OS"

Not true. My dad died before he ever even touched a computer. My mom on the other hand had an old Mac ci that she played solitare on.
She loved that machine......

Jul 23, 08 - 12:45 pm Comment from: British Mac Head

Hey it's funny but if the company with the most prolific market share needs to spend £500m to get people to buy it's latest OS then Vista must be just a polished turd.

I am sure when Apple are finally a household name for Macs as well as the iPod and the iPhone they will not need to spend anything get their message out. Their users will do it for them like we always have done

PMSL.

Jul 23, 08 - 12:53 pm Comment from: oh no my shorts

@ericdano

The WOW starts now.

Even Windows 95 isn't bad. Imagine if you had nothing but DOS!

People are so friggin spoiled.

Suck it up and deal--Windows is awesome when you imagine what you might be stuck with if there was no Mac and no Windows at all.

Or be an Apple nutcase just because it's "new" or something. Your call.

@nrrdgrrl - CoH runs great on Boot Camp on my MacBook Pro. If you get the chance, switch.

Guess the new XBox garage developers now know where MSFT is gonna spend the money they'll make off of them.

Jul 23, 08 - 01:34 pm Comment from: Andy

Half a billion dollars? Half... a billion... dollars!?

I'm beginning to wonder if MS hold cash burning parties in their HQ. They truck the money in, dump it in a great pile and pour gasoline all over it.

And once the cash is burnin', do MS employees dance and chant for MS's 'continued' success, or Apple's misfortune?


Eitherway, all the money in the world won't buy Vista favor. It was doomed in the moment of conception.

I really hope that Apple comes out with the iTele before Microsoft. I'd hate to have a blue screen in the middle of a teleport.

Microsoft is so pathetic..

Half a billion dollars thrown away to prop up a turd with some advertsising. You almost have to feel sorry for them..note I said "almost"..

Jul 23, 08 - 01:43 pm Comment from: fastmemory

@Geert:

I suppose everyone's milage may vary, and I respect your experience with both systems. However, you should know that a significant portion-not all by any means - but a significant portion - of people on this forum are dedicated Apple users who use, or are forced to use various forms of Doze at work and relish the prospect of returning home at night to use OS X.

We KNOW Doze backwards and forwards because we use it everyday for 8 hours. The day after day comparison of the two systems has taught us that OS X is a more robust, technologically superior OS. That's why many of us have the negative comments listed daily here about M$ OSs.

I think it's great that you like both, nothing wrong with that, but I will tell you flat out that there is a far higher percentage of people switching from Doze to OS X due to disgust with Doze than the other way around.

Jul 23, 08 - 02:17 pm Comment from: jtc

@DH
took longer than 5 years to bring out vista. Try 7

Jul 23, 08 - 02:25 pm Comment from: MCCFR

From an article on The Mac Observer published today…

"The second version of the Vista Adoption Trends survey clearly demonstrates Microsoft is still fighting an uphill battle with Vista and the release of Vista Service Pack 1 did little to change corporate opinion about the operating system," said Diane Hagglund of King Research and the survey?s author. "These same IT departments are evaluating alternative methods to stave off Vista deployment with many moving to the Mac operating system instead. This brings up a whole new set of challenges related to managing heterogeneous environments and compounds the importance of systems management devices that deliver a single interface for diverse operating systems."

A summary of the findings:

• 60 percent of the survey respondents indicated they have no plans to deploy Vista at this time, up from 53 percent in the 2007 survey.

• 92 percent indicated Vista Service Pack 1 has not changed their plans for Vista deployment

• 65 percent said it is challenging to obtain the expertise needed to manage multiple operating systems, up from 49 percent in November 2007

• 83 percent revealed they are concerned about the compatibility of required business software with Vista

• 41 percent of the respondents reported it is challenging to secure multiple operating systems, up from 25 percent in November 2007

People who complain about Vista are a bunch of whiners.