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Ballmer: "Actually, it is relatively expensive if a user gets a separate Windows OS for his Mac. Not a lot of people will do this."

He is correct about this. The only people that will do it will be a small fraction of Apple owners that need to have that Windows program.

For just a little more money than a version of the Windows OS one could buy or build their own Windows PC.

Windows owners aren´t going to buy a Mac to run Windows - why would they want to spend the $200 for Windows OS to put on a Mac when they already have a Windows computer that runs Windows?

the missing question:

Die WELT: so who did steal your eye-brows anyway?

Ballmer: DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

Queezzie,

Because, when the time comes to buy a new computer, why buy a Windows-only PC, when you can get one that does both Windows and Mac OS X for just a bit more? A lot of people are intrigued with the Apple Mac possibility: now they finally have a clear path and justification to do it.

I know an Apple reseller. Since the Boot Camp announcement, sales have "skyrocketed" and are "multiple times better than ever," according to my friend.

Watch what happens.

queezzie,

also if you made a pc youd still have to buy windows :s, plus who buys windows anyway?? none of the pc users i know!

Steve "Since the Boot Camp announcement, sales have "skyrocketed" and are "multiple times better than ever," according to my friend."

First, I have talked to a few stores and they don´t see any huge jump in computer sales since bootcamp was announced. Is there a huge jump in copies of Windows XP, too, to going in those Apple computers?

And who says they are converters are Windows PC owners? They could be Apple users that have been sitting on the fence as to whether to buy a Windows computer, but now they don´t need to buy a Windows PC. (Which I think is the real reason for the release - a defensive move by Apple to halt PC sales by Apple owners.)
And how many people are really buying a computer because of a Beta program - bootcamp? Not me, I am waiting for Longhorn and the real un-beta thing.

He prefers a "Real PC"?

I'd rather have a "Virtual PC"

just use an old install disc of XP, ....sure it isn't legal, but windows is reality should only cost 99 cents/ download, as it is a huge piece of crap. The only group of people who need to actually spend money on a new copy of windows are businesses.

Queezzie: simple .. buy the Mac, use existing Windows CD, done

I'd rather use a typewriter than windows

Andy, are you saying Apple people would use a pirated copy of Windows in their Apple? I know you can´t use an OEM version of XP in Apple.

Queezzie: not all results will be the same .. depends where the reseller is located

WIne does not require a M$ license and will allow Mac users the ability to run programs not currently on the Mac. It is also not vulnerable to the many Windows security problems. Best of all, it's free.

Don't be stupid, support Mac developers. Better yet, if you can code, volunteer on a open source project. Ballmer is a putz.

At the very least people will learn how overpriced Windows is.

(U.S. Office Depot prices)
$199.00 for the "home" full version
$299.00 for the "professional" full version

$299.00 for total crap. And then they want to charge you EXTRA to keep you computer virus "free"

I feel ripped off just thinking about it.

No wonder it get priated.

"We won't be simply watching this development"

Well, yeah, you will. Until there is one that does well enough for you to blatently steal from them by either buying out the company/product or creating your own POS "solution".

MW: Microsoft has done this a hundred thousand times

For the most part You can´t use the XP that came with one´s PC computer - I tried it. Most Windows computers come with an OEM version. (Depends on which manufacturer one buys their PC from.)
Maybe some do offer a full-blown version with the computer. Mine didn´t.

Like Apple website says:
"A bona fide installation disc for Microsoft Windows XP, Service Pack 2, Home or Professional (No multi-disc, upgrade or Media Center versions.)"

Truth is, Queezie, that as long as steve Ballmer is running things at Microsoft, that company will continue on a gentle but inexorable slide.

PLEASE, take a look at the earnings and stock price of MSFT over the last five years if you dare.

Everyone--from investors to users to MSFT's own employees--has lost faith in that man, and yesterday's dumping of the stock is ample and further proof thereof.

Yeah, just keep waiting for Vista, but keep in mind that even when (if?) the consumer version ships, it will STILL be a beta offering. Very few informed, experienced Windows users will touch that thing until the first Service Pack is released.

And by that time "Leopard" will be so far ahead of whatever features "Longhorn" touts that stockholders will DEMAND the MonkeyBoy's ouster.

Just wait and see.

I wonder if Ballmer can turn on a light-bulb if he puts one in his mouth

Simply: "Queezzie: not all results will be the same .. depends where the reseller is located"

That´s exactly the point I was making.
Other than those that wanted to do it just to see if they could do it, I don´t know of anyone that has actually bought a new Mac just to put Windows on it.

If I wanted a Windows computer I think it would be better just to buy a separate computer and not worry about any problems that a Windows OS on my Apple might cause.
I am surprised that there are no reports or stories of viruses on Windows-running Apples.

Did he play Fester in the Adams Family movies?

Hey Ballmer you twonk!

An Intel Mac isn't a real PC? Running XP on this puppy sure looks and feels like a real PC (although with 10 times the build quality).

MS are in trouble and he knows it. If Leopard does manage to implement the Windoze API, the tumbleweed will be blowing about the Redmond campus like so much confetti. Even if not, we're still got Boot Camp and Parallels.

New verb: to Ballmer - the ability to talk utter bullshit while keeping a straight face.

MW: perform - as in Macs perform better!

Love it. They can't advocate buying Macs even when they run windows because Apple will grow and people will see what they've been missing all along. Too funny.

Just a clueless moron...

queezie--a defensive move by Apple to halt PC sales by Apple owners.)

Do you mean--peecee BUYS by Apple owners? Words mean things. Ask Rush, now that he's been cleared.

But who would really want too...

Ballmer:They succeeded to create a nice package which bundles Music services, devices and software.

MacDailyNews Take: A "nice" package? A NICE package??!? You wouldn't know nice if your pompous, slaphead over-donughted fat ass fell in a VAT of nice, you incomprehensible fscktard! You goddam stinking nazi bastard!! You foaming at the mouth, chair throwing PIG!!! You stinking lame-brained zoophiliac pedophile LIZARD!!!! YOU SCUM!!!!!!

ron - I mean Apple owners thinking of buying a Windows PeeCee to run the newest video games or whatever other software that is not available for the Mac.

By Apple allowing Windows on Apples this helps stop any of those PC sales. (The bad news will be that people will see how fast and snappy XP is compared to OSX.)

Apple with it move to Intel chips and now Bootcamp is moving towards the Windows world. Again, why would a Windows user buy a Mac to run Windows? Doesn´t make sense.

>a defensive move by Apple to halt PC sales by Apple owners.>

>queezie, Apple owners do not sell pc's. Again, words mean things.

English is a great language when used correctly.

Ballmer: "Actually, it is relatively expensive if a user gets a separate Windows OS for his Mac."

I'll be damned if Monkey Boy didn't get this one 100% correct. In addition to buying a copy of XP there is the cost of the anti-virus software, the security software, the time lost and wasted when you STILL get viruses and when XP freezes and or crashes, etc. And of course there is the cost of upgrading to Vista when it hits the market just in time for the 2008 holiday shopping season........

Thought criminal... You don't know the history of stinking lame-brained zoophiliac pedophile LIZARDS. I do!

Isn't it amazing that Ballmer has successfully driven MSFT, one of the strongest, most pervasive companies in the world a few years ago, into the ground?

All that's left of them is remnants of their massive user base, which is already being chipped away at.

There's no hope for them, they've been on the decline and there is no way to turn it around at this point.

Sweet justice

Maybe someone has already said this.....if so, sorry for the redundant shite droppings.
It's a fact that a whole lot of windows users out there did not upgrade their OS for years for whatever number of reasons. What does this portend?
It means there are a lot of consumers who own a copy of windows 2000 or windows xp who will at some point upgrade their hardware and and see the rationale for a mac purchase while still hanging on to that 2000 or xp disc to keep them in that comfort zone for a while. wtf. There's no need to think about buying a windows OS to install on that new leopard driven machine. They already own one.
Personally, I think that adds up to a nice bump in market share not to mention a steady incline to the installed mac base.

Was in Apple store the other day.
Overheard conversation that went basically like this.
Windows PC owner came in hearing that Macs run Windows. He was interested in seeing it Windows running on an Apple computer.
Apple store - We don´t have Windows on Macs to see.
Windows PC guy - What? So how do I know it works?
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Windows PC guy - Do you install windows on Apple computer for me?
Apple Store: No. We don´t provide any support for Windows on Macs.
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Windows PC guy in discussion about installing it - "So I am totally unfamiliar with Mac OS and Mac computers and you expect me to install Windows on it?
Apple Store: Well, maybe you could get a friend or somebody to help you.

Windows guy leaves store empty handed.

Ballmar is really a paid secret agent for Apple infiltrated into Microsoft to destroy the company. He can´t be fired because he has photos from his college days with Gates that show Bill Gates in a compromising position. Think Bill and Ram (not the computer kind, but the baa-baa kind).

It's really like boiling a frog (baller & co.) in water.

Put the frog into boiling water, and he jumps out immediatley sensing something is wrong.

But, put the frog in the water when it's cold, slowly heat it up until it's boiling...the frog doesn't realize what he's in for..and he dies.

Similarly, if Steve Jobs announced one day that Apple would be moving to intel processors, and that you could dual-boot Windows and MacOS, MS would have had to realized this as was a real threat.

Doing it in gradually, while denying anything Windows-related, is the mastery of Steve Jobs and how he's hoodwinked MS into thinking the move to intel processors was just about performance per watt.

Even if the frog realizes right before that he's about to boil...it's too late.

Mister Grnkman & his pet Lizard, Red Sheila

In CompUSA last week, I saw Windows running on an iMac and told the salesman about Parallels. CompUSA is generally the worst place to look at anything Apple.

Mister Grnkman,

I was in an Apple store last week too, and I asked if they had 1 computer running Windows, just becuase I was curious.

The guy must of thought I was a Windows user. He smiled smugly and said no.

Apple is missing a huge opportunity here. But this is a potential boon to other resellers, who should not hesitate for a second.

...but Intel Macs are real PCs. The fact that they boot Windows natively pretty much fits the textbook definition of a "PC" as most people mean it (an x86 box).

Macs are Intel PCs with a single button mouse and otherwise really nice design. The only proprietary thing about them is their ability to run Mac OS X.

Mister Grnkman the assclown;

At my local CompUSA (western MA) the Apple rep told me quite plainly that he's witnessed, conservatively, a 15% uptick in Mac sales since the Boot Camp announcement. 15%!

I was in there one day getting a hard drive and I personally witnessed a professional PC-using woman grilling him about running Windows on a Mac. He happily answered her questions. She bought an iMac.

A couple who are friends of ours who own their own business like us but are wall-to-wall PC users have asked about these developments each time they've come over in the last few weeks to watch DVD's. He is the president of their company, and he's just salivating about being able to run Windows software without actually running Windows, and the possibility of maybe being able to do that with Leopard.

All of this is ALREADY HAPPENING and the general public at large doesn't even really know anything about this development. Can you imagine what'll happen soon if Apple actually (gasp!) STARTS TO ADVERTISE THE MAC AND THIS FEATURE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC?!?!?!?

"A small, integrated device will master many functions. We won't be simply watching this development."

In other words, MS will once again try to be all things to all people, not only making this device's primary functions difficult to use, but making each of the 97 functions they will force into it an unbearable user experience.

Ballmer = idiot

nuff said

Ballmer is the best asset Apple has.

As a PC user who picked up a Mini last year and is thinking of switching to an iMac or one of the upcoming PowerMac replacements as his "main" computer, I come to this site regularly to see what is going on in the world of Macs. I like the Mac and think it's a great OS, but will still run XP and Vista on when it comes out. I can understand the appeal of Macs and am fully aware of all the good and bad on both sides.

Having said all that, is it really necessary to refer to Balmer as an "asshat"? How old is the person posting the MDN take - 12? I mean really, if you want to convert people and brag up the OS and Apple it would be FAR more effective to present a logical argument on why a person would want to do so rather than early teen potty-talk. I realize that Microsoft has given people a reason to dislike them but the zealot behavior of the Mac (and Linux) fanatics hurts far more than it helps. Microshaft? M$? Microsucks? Please. I am firmly convinced that the attitudes and ranting of the anti-Microsoft crowd has slowed down people who may be on the fence looking at alternatives. If web sites want to be taken seriously, an even token attempt at acting professional would go a long way. If you want to rant, that's what blogs are for.

ron - A different take. I too saw an iMac running Windows at our local CompUSA store. Just about everyone in the Apple section played around with that iMac sooner or later. Since the Apple owned stores will not show a Mac running Windows, it's great that other stores do. CompUSA and others complete the marketing picture.

Peace.

...a 15% uptick in Mac sales since the Boot Camp announcement. 15%!

Great, so now Apple's world-side market share is about to go from 3% to 3.45%. We'll have the dominant platform in another few decades.

Uhhh...Mr. Ballmer, when a Mac is running Windows, it is a real PC, duh! Queezie, I see WindowsXP online for only $130. That's pocket change.

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Ballmer: No, we prefer real PCs.

Had Die Welt only then prodded Ballmer to describe, in sufficient detail, what a “real PC” is the world would know the true expansiveness of Ballmer’s thinking.

Ballmer: The (iPod) is really popular. Apple didn't invent anything new. They just combined existing technologies in a smart way. They succeeded to create a nice package which bundles Music services, devices and software.

Faint praise from the weak of heart and meager of mind. Ballmer’s pathetic response only begs the question, if Apple’s iPod and iTMS were so clearly obvious as successful business endeavors, why didn’t Microsoft “package” this “bundle” first?

Ballmer: But every now and then, where it makes sense, Microsoft could build its own devices.

A truly vague, ill-defined, and overly optimistic response. I get a sense that there is no real vision, purpose, or direction in Redmond. Based on recent history it seems unlikely that Microsoft would realize opportunity if it knocked on the front door or recognize failure when it stared them in the face.

Ballmer: We will let you know what (our own innovative devices) will look like when the time is ready.

Not a hint of upcoming products? No secrets to reveal? Nothing to entice the imagination? No boasting, no swagger, no self-assurance. It seems that Mr. Ballmer is the perfect caricature of Mr. Bumble and the Windows masses as clones of Oliver Twist. Flee, Oliver, while you have the chance.

MDN, where DO you dig up these evil pictures of Ballmer?

God! Balmy looks like a dead ringer for Uncle Fester!

Perhaps, when Jobs introduces the world to Leopard August 2006, Ballmer will see what a personal computer is.

The guy must of thought I was a Windows user. He smiled smugly and said no.

Here we go again. 1989 was bad enough the first time.

ANY Apple Store employee who smugly treats any customer should be fired on the spot. That just furthers the "elite asshole" Mac user stereotype.

Boot Camp Is a huge selling point. The Apple Stores should have it installed on floor systems, to at least give demos to people who ask.

I wonder what'll happen when Boot Camp, or whatever its successor is, ships as part of 10.5. The Apple Stores need to face up to this sooner or later, they can't smugly ignore it forever.

UNCLE FESTER!! We were wondering were you have been!