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Microsoft emails reveal serious Mac OS X Tiger envy
Friday, January 26, 2007 - 03:26 PM EDT

"A series of emails between Microsoft developers in June 2004 has revealed how impressed they were by the new Tiger operating system that Apple had just previewed," Simon Aughton reports for PC Pro. "The emails focus primarily on Tiger's Spotlight search feature, and how far it was in advance of similar functionality in Microsoft's Vista/Longhorn OS."

"'Tonight I got on corpnet, hooked up Mail.app to my Exchange server and then downloaded all of my mail into the local file store,' wrote Microsoft's Lenn Pryor, former Director of Platform Evangelism," Aughton reports. "'I did system wide queries against docs, contacts, apps, photos, music, and ... my Microsoft email on a Mac. It was f***ing amazing. It is like I just got a free pass to Longhorn land today.'"

Aughton reports, "Jim Allchin co-president of the company's Platform Products and Services Group was just as impressed. 'I don't believe we will have search this fast,' he wrote."

Aughton reports, "The Spotlight discussion is followed by some slightly bizarre bickering over Tiger install DVDs. 'I hate to give up my DVDs, and I know Lenn [Pryor] doesn't want to give it up either,' wrote Vic Gundotra. '(If I send you mine, can you promise to get them back to me unscratched?)'"

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Jan 26, 07 - 04:28 pm Comment from: IT guy

So, they were installing Tiger on mutliple machines from one DVD?? You mean, they were pirating?

Jan 26, 07 - 04:33 pm Comment from: Tommy Boy

My new web apps are based on evil tfosorcim.

Jan 26, 07 - 04:35 pm Comment from: Ragu

Mofiasoft is guilty of all deadly sins

1. Pride
2. Envy
3. Anger
4. Avarice
5. Sadness
6. Gluttony
7. Lust

Jan 26, 07 - 04:40 pm Comment from: Unsquirted

Microsoft must account for 20% of the worldwide annual photocopying industry revenues. No wonder their R & D budget is so huge. It's mostly in toner, paper and copier repair.

Jan 26, 07 - 04:41 pm Comment from: macromancer

Are Rabies and Sweating a deadly sin? If so, make it nine.

Jan 26, 07 - 04:59 pm Comment from: Stefano Jobso

Microsoft are also morally responsible for marketing an insecure product and for the consequences of that. Adding a little surface flash in the form of (poorly) copied features won't fix that.

It's reported that a *quarter* of the world's PCs are compromised and being used for crime in botnets. That's pandemic proportions:

http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/84342

The Ballmers, Enderles, and Thurrotts can pretend not to notice this situation for all they're worth, but Microsoft deserves obloquy heaped on it for that.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:02 pm Comment from: marko

Microsoft and R&D;in the same sentence ? That's called an oxy moron.
Seriously, Microsoft does have an awesome R&D;Dept. It's located at 1 Infinite Loop Cupertino Ca.
I've never used Microsoft products and have never been happier

Jan 26, 07 - 05:13 pm Comment from: Spudly

"If I send you mine, can you promise to get them back to me unscratched?)" Good to see piracy is alive and well in the crapville, WA.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:16 pm Comment from: To Ragu

Mofiasoft is guilty of all deadly sins

1. Pride
2. Envy
3. Anger
4. Avarice
5. Sadness
6. Gluttony
7. Lust


You missed:
8. Criminal business practises
9. Theft
10. Lying
11. Cheating
12. Fraud

Magic Word: congress. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:19 pm Comment from: Cubert

They probably have screen shots of Leopard up on a board and are trying their hardest to emulate it for Vista SP-1 like they did with iTunes and Winblows Media Player.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:19 pm Comment from: Jim

Hmmmmmm, if I'm not mistaken, are they not guilty of theft? You can only install OS X on ONE machine from the same DVD.

Steve, send in the Feds.

MW: problem, as in Redmond, we have a...

Jan 26, 07 - 05:20 pm Comment from: Microsoft is doing what Apple can't do: Real Worl

These emails show the importance of Microsoft to the real world of enterprise I.T.

Microsoft investigates and discovers all the useful features that would otherwise
get lost in Apple's little used operating system -- expands and improves those
features -- and then brings them to the real world or corporate and enterprise
information technology, for the benefit of American industry, and office workers
everywhere.

Too bad after extending Apple's few useful features it doesn't extinguish it too.

Looking at it this way it's obvious that Microsoft is doing the useful innovations.

The real world of corporate and enterprise IT cannot waste resources deploying
more than one deskttop platform.

The past, the present, and the future of enterprise IT belongs only to Windows.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:31 pm Comment from: RC

Very nice to see Microsoft management has no regard when it comes to obeying Apple's software licensing, yet they want all of us to honor theirs? Well, I'll remember that the next time I decide to pirate a piece of Microsoft software then. wink

Jan 26, 07 - 05:35 pm Comment from: Big Al

Of course enterprise belongs to Microsoft. Enterprise IT is run by Microsoft Certified IT professionals.

But get this, Microsoft not only gets their troops in on the ground floor where purchase and deployment decisions are made, they get the stupid bastards to pay for their own brainwashing and training.

You'd think that to gain this stranglehold on enterprise the least Microsoft could do would be to give the brainwashing sessions out free for the asking.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:36 pm Comment from: informed

The comedian above says:
"The real world of corporate and enterprise IT cannot waste resources deploying more than one deskttop (sic.) platform."

He's right. the corporate world wastes time and resources SUPPORTING that desktop platform. Great spelling, by the way.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:40 pm Comment from: Neven

lol @ troll. This was great:

"and then brings them to the real world or corporate and enterprise
information technology, for the benefit of American industry, and office workers everywhere."

Man, I wish I lived in the "real world." Instead I'm stuck here in fantasy land on my Mac. I wish I worked in the corporate and enterprise information technology... oh wait, I do.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:41 pm Comment from: Zune Tang

Microsoft is doing what Apple can't do: Real Worl gets it. Thank you for making clear what these Apple lemmings can't seem to grasp: The Real World is Windows. Good thing too. Stand your ground, enterprise IT!

I enjoy Real World computing so much I've recreated the office experience at home. Of course I have a nifty Dell running Windows. But I've added a water cooler, put a sign on my fridge warning that it will be cleaned out every Friday, added a sign on the Microwave asking users not to cook foods which might create unpleasant odors. All the furniture is office furniture, complete with cubicle partitions. Real World baby! Paradise on earth. Best of all I get to use a Real World computer, the kind Apple only wishes they could make.

Your potential. Our passion.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:50 pm Comment from: ralph

I´m sure workers at Ford envy the Porsche.
I´m sure workers at Chevy envy the Ferrari.
I´m sure the local Pizza joint envies the guy that owns all the Pizza Huts.
I´m sure people in 3rd world countries envy what others have.
Doesn´t it happen with everything everywhere everyday an...

So what.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:51 pm Comment from: justified

Corporate and enterprise IT is actually the fake world. Which is why Apple has little interest in electronic office tedium.

Anyone who touts corporate business and enterprise as "real" and relegates everything else irrelevent is guilty of exactly the reasons modern civilization has thrown itself into an endless cycle of slavery to the system.

Corporate electronic tedium drones can stick with their precious Microsoft® Blunt Stick™ systems and software for all I care.

Apple puts power into the hands of the people.

Jan 26, 07 - 05:52 pm Comment from: Dave

"I hate to give up my DVDs, and I know Lenn [Pryor] doesn't want to give it up either,' wrote Vic Gundotra. '(If I send you mine, can you promise to get them back to me unscratched?)"

Are people at Microsoft "sharing" (aka pirating) Apple OS software? With all the Activation "features" in MS Products, you'd think they would know better...

Jan 26, 07 - 05:57 pm Comment from: hotinplaya

I still love the email from "Allchin" I'd buy a mac if I didnt work for MS,,

since he is retiring soon, MDN's should put together a retirement fund for a new Mac for Mr. Allchin !!

I would gladly donate $10.00 towards it

Jan 26, 07 - 06:22 pm Comment from: lbuschjr

Microsoft's hold on corporate America is being loosened. Corporations are realizing that they can get similar if not better functionality from other sources, and that they do not have to beholden themselves to Microsoft's pricing, required upgraded, etc. They also are sick and tired of Microsoft's idea of security, which allows viruses, malware, and all sorts of other crap to be installed onto their PCs. Then comes the bills for all the service, upgrading, training, support, and other problems that go along with Windows.

You're already seeing corporations and government agencies demanding open standards for documents, options in operating systems, etc. Corporations won't stand for this type of "service" for long, and Microsoft has opened the door for other companies to take market share by offering products that do similar tasks as Windows, Outlook, etc.

The real shame is that Apple isn't developing a corporate-level Outlook challenger. That is the number one issue that companies seem to point to when justifying why they won't switch to Macs.

Jan 26, 07 - 06:56 pm Comment from: macius

I have to say that I am most disappointed by spotlight. It has a lot of potentail, but for me it's just too slow. Am I crazy? Does anyone else think so?

Jan 26, 07 - 06:57 pm Comment from: Macaday

Microsoft is dying... has been for some time.

Jan 26, 07 - 07:21 pm Comment from: ron

"I enjoy Real World computing so much I've recreated the office experience at home. Of course I have a nifty Dell running Windows. But I've added a water cooler, put a sign on my fridge warning that it will be cleaned out every Friday, added a sign on the Microwave asking users not to cook foods which might create unpleasant odors. All the furniture is office furniture, complete with cubicle partitions. Real World baby! Paradise on earth. Best of all I get to use a Real World computer, the kind Apple only wishes they could make."
"

zunewank, just exchange the word Microsoft for the word Microwave and you have it.

Jan 26, 07 - 07:38 pm Comment from: Andrew

I certainly hope that Microsoft developers didn't break any lisencing rules by installing OSX onto multiple computers in their office without purchasing them for each computer, or purchasing a family pack. Hee Hee.

Jan 26, 07 - 07:45 pm Comment from: MacArch

R & D Stands for "RIPOFF and DUPLICATE"

Learned that when my kid was in the Cub Scouts ...... didn't realize the guy who told me that worked for Microsoft.



Once upon a time, was it not IBM who ruled corporate America, and the upstarts at Microsoft were storming the gates.


Uneasy rests the crown . . . . . .

Jan 26, 07 - 09:17 pm Comment from: redmond hypocrites

Hmmmmmm, if I'm not mistaken, are they not guilty of theft? You can only install OS X on ONE machine from the same DVD.

Steve, send in the Feds.


I wonder if the Business Software Alliance, i.e. The MS Gestapo, will show any teeth (or balls) against MS.

This should be interesting...

Jan 26, 07 - 09:21 pm Comment from: Spotlight

macius

Not sure what's happening with you. Spotlight is very fast on my 5-year old TI-book with only 1 gig of memory left. Of course, I only have a 30 gig drive.

Jan 26, 07 - 09:34 pm Comment from: not fooled

The real world of corporate and enterprise IT cannot waste resources deploying
more than one deskttop platform.


Yet "real" IT has no problem finding resources to babysit, maintain, and generally fiddle-fsck around with certain platforms, all to keeep every desktop install virus-free and operable. How do modern cost-scraping corporations allow such inefficiency right in their own offices?

And BTW, what is that "one desktop platform"? Win 3.1? 95? 98? NT? XP? How about which release version (pro, consumer, media) and service-pack version of each? Which of the several Vistas will "real IT" consider?

What a fscking mess.

Jan 26, 07 - 09:48 pm Comment from: Less is More

Three Microsoft engineers and three Apple employees are traveling by train to a computer conference. At the station, the three Microsoft engineers each buy tickets and watch as the three Apple employees buy only a single ticket.

“How are three people going to travel on only one ticket?” asks a Microsoft engineer.

“Watch and you’ll see,” answers the Apple employee . . . .
---> Continues here.

Jan 26, 07 - 11:20 pm Comment from: Scarbro

I wish that mainstream media would pick up stories like this to show all the blind masses just how second rate their computing experience is on a Microshite PC.

Jan 27, 07 - 12:48 am Comment from: clyde

Microsoft Windows Vista:

Your Potential (for exploitation), Our Passion (for profits).

Jan 27, 07 - 03:06 am Comment from: oh my

@ Less is More

Old joke, fer sure ... but THAT didnt stop me from
ROTFLMAO

Thanx, guy !!

Jan 27, 07 - 07:17 am Comment from: Paul

@maclus

Yes. I do agree. You are crazy.

Seriously, I used to have problems with the search starting before I could get the entire word or phrase typed in, but that must have been fixed with one of the updates. I like it and certainly have no complaints about the speed. as it is sorting through a fair number of files.

Jan 27, 07 - 12:06 pm Comment from: Ardie

When M$ gets Apple devices and software it is like getting a flying saucer from Roswell. M$ can only back-engineer the advanced technology of Apple.

Jan 27, 07 - 05:11 pm Comment from: Huh?

No. 1: What's that stench?
No. 2: Oh, nothing noxious, just the vapors of mediocrity and ineptitude emanating from Redmond.
No. 1: No, really it's quite foul! It makes me nauseous.
No. 2: Hmm, maybe you're onto something here. Perhaps the great beast is suffering chronic necrotizing cerebellitis. Notice the how the tongue protrudes from the mouth like some slimy alien being. Also, perceive the dull look and the lack of responsiveness to stimuli. Consider too the incoherent repetitive speech patterns and inappropriate social behaviors. We have a very difficult case here.
No. 1: Well, what do we do?
No. 2: I don’t know about you, but I’m buying a Mac.

Jan 29, 07 - 02:04 am Comment from: norm e.

Hmmm, since everyone is MS bashing, let me throw this in. I just got it from CNET.

Note how everyone is Bashing Apple and Steve for the stock back dating issue????

Well, it seems that MS has done it too. grin

"From 1992 through 1999, Microsoft Corp. awarded employees
options that were retroactively keyed to its stock's monthly lows.
Annual awards were given in July, at that month's low point.
Awards to new employees were given at the lowest closing price
during the month after they were hired.
Microsoft disclosed and ended the practice in 1999, taking a
$217 million charge. The revelation raised nary an eyebrow.
"When Microsoft said it had to restate its earnings for
backdating, the reaction of the market was ho-hum," Koenen
said.
Microsoft's motivation appeared innocent, Rosen said.
Evening out the rewards
"They were saying, 'Well, look, someone comes to work here and
the stock is $17 and someone comes two days later and it's $24.
They both do the same job and get the same number of options.
Let's try to even this out and we'll just give everybody who
comes that month the lowest price of the month.' "
Last month, Microsoft said in a statement that its practice "did
not involve 'backdating' as we understand that term is being
used in current reports of investigations of other companies"
and said it believed its approach was legal."

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