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Microsoft ‘pleased’ with Apple’s Boot Camp; Woz says ‘It’s a great thing for Apple’
Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 02:16 PM EST

"After long imploring computer users to 'think different' and defining the Macintosh as a lone bulwark against the Windows onslaught, Apple Computer has decided to open the gate, at least a bit. Two decades after the first Mac arrived, Apple said Wednesday that it would offer users of its latest models a simple way to run the Microsoft Windows operating system as well as its own. That means a single Apple computer will run programs written for either the Mac or Windows, though it will have to shut down one system to start the other," John Markof writes for The New York Times. "'The religion has changed,' said Charles Wolf, a financial analyst at Needham & Company, a New York investment firm. 'Apple is saying we have the chance to really build the Macintosh platform, and although there are risks, we're going to do it.'"

Markoff reports, "Wednesday's move also won an important endorsement from Apple's other co-founder, Stephen G. Wozniak, who long ago left the company but remains a vocal Macintosh user and is idolized by the Mac faithful. 'It's a great thing for Apple,' he told a reporter by e-mail. 'I don't see the earth being rocked, but I can now recommend Apple hardware to a lot more people. One pitch is that if Windows gets too frustrating and unbearable and unsafe, then they can easily switch.' And Microsoft took the opportunity to salute the move, and itself. 'Windows is a great operating system,' a Microsoft statement said. 'We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running it, and that Apple is responding to meet the demand.'"

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Apr 06, 06 - 02:26 pm Comment from: Botvinnik

f microsoft.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:31 pm Comment from: DCchesterUK

keep that filthy crap off my mac

Apr 06, 06 - 02:32 pm Comment from: jay

Ugh-excited, maybe not. I have to, of necessity. Excited will not be my emotion as I do so.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:32 pm Comment from: matt

windows is a great operating system? ha. MS has a sense of humor.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:33 pm Comment from: Ping

Okay... so Bill is towing the trojan horse into the city...

Now let's watch how it's going to end this time around...! cool smirk

Apr 06, 06 - 02:33 pm Comment from: Someone who's bored

"'Windows is a great operating system,'"

wow.....

Is that what they tell everyone?

Apr 06, 06 - 02:33 pm Comment from: Noraa Haras

Into the lion's mouth.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:34 pm Comment from: Shecky

'Windows is a great operating system,' a Microsoft statement said.

How can anyone say that without their pants bursting into flames?

Apr 06, 06 - 02:35 pm Comment from: gorufo

That was an AWESOME quote from Microsoft. He knew it would end up here and all the trolls would bite.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:35 pm Comment from: Jimbo von Winskinheimer

I agree with many people that say they don't want to run Windoze on their systems. Neither do I. But, if this will bring more people to the Mac, it's a good thing. I don't see Mac people leaving the Mac OS X to go to Windows. However, I do see Windows users getting one to do iLife & other stuff, comparing the 2 OSs side-by-side, and deciding to leave Windows for Mac OS X. I don't know why others don't see how this will work.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:37 pm Comment from: macromancer

This is about Thinking Different. It's just a tool to allow people to TRANSITION off their Windows addiction. The intention isn't to suddenly say that Windows is better, this is a temporary tool for people to be able to slowly ween themselves off Windows.

Apple has now created an environment where people have nothing to lose by buying a Mac. They are saying our OS is better than what you use and we are going to prove it by putting them side by side.

All this talk of Apple conceding to MS is uninformed.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:39 pm Comment from: mike

HAHAHA yea i bet they're pleased at tapping into the huge Mac market.. *cough cough..

hey Redmond.. you don't honestly think your market share will go UP cuz of this do you?

Having a XP and OS X on the same rig.. LOL..

Guess which one's getting voted off the island..

LMFAO

HOw about a word from Dell?

Apr 06, 06 - 02:40 pm Comment from: MacMDStudent

I'll only use it when I have software that requires me to do so. But until then... I like to keep my mac free of MS crap

Apr 06, 06 - 02:42 pm Comment from: macromancer

" 'Windows is a great operating system,' a Microsoft statement said. 'We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running it, and that Apple is responding to meet the demand.'""

OMFG i think i just split a kidney laughing so hard at that first part.
As for the second part. Get one thing straight Skippy the Microsoft Spokesman. This is designed to take PC users AWAY from you, not give Mac users access to your petri dish of an OS.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:43 pm Comment from: Schmutz!

'We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running it, and that Apple is responding to meet the demand.'"


(Brrr!) That's cold. Using Schiller's own words against him.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:48 pm Comment from: editg5

if you can't beat them....join them?

@$#@$#@$~!

Apr 06, 06 - 02:48 pm Comment from: DBS

Does anybody really care what a has been like Woz has to say? He is like the feeble brother in The Godfather

Apr 06, 06 - 02:49 pm Comment from: iDon't

I like the idea. I have to use Windows for some very specialized software. I purchased a cheap e-Machine just to use this software. Other than that I would not need Windows at all. So for me I'll load Windows on my MacBook Pro when get one. Also, it will be nice to show off to friends that are Windows people.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:54 pm Comment from: Steve

Microsoft is playing it along, it cant dis its own O.S. that is why it is saying great for apple, obviously they have their own plans.

In my opinion i dont see why someone would switch to apple just to use their xp operating system they already have.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:56 pm Comment from: Winston

'Windows is a great operating system,' a Microsoft statement said. 'We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running it, and that Apple is responding to meet the demand.'"

Give me a break. Windows is like hepatitis: some people are forced to live with it, but no one is "excited" about the idea. Besides, it's obviously just a means to an end (non-OS X apps and games), not an end in itself.

Apr 06, 06 - 02:58 pm Comment from: Harry

Windows is a great operating system to run some business sofware and some games. Mac OS X is more beautiful and easier to use at home. To compare it on one Mac-Intel is a good move from Apple .. This will shake up the whole computer hardware industry. Congratulation for Apple and Microsoft.

Apr 06, 06 - 03:04 pm Comment from: christopher Powers

Another perspective...

This could be a more serious threat to MS than they realize. Windows has long been bloated and full of viruses and the extra code that no one really ever needs..

This will be MS's turn to revamp Vista to be "better" than OS X and if they don't then its really the nail int he coffin of whats after Vista...

Christopher Powers

2006 and 2007 are really going to be exciting years for both camps.

Apr 06, 06 - 03:13 pm Comment from: Jack

Apple needs to redesign Boot Camp. OS X should load first...then if you want to use windows click on an icon in the dock. OS X should always be the main boot of a Mac. Fix this Apple we know you can.

Apr 06, 06 - 03:23 pm Comment from: leodavinci

Someone:

" "'Windows is a great operating system,'"

wow.....

Is that what they tell everyone?"

Basicly... yeah.

Hoever, it really vaildates P.T. Barnum's statement: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

Apr 06, 06 - 03:26 pm Comment from: Macaday

Credit where its due...the MS statement is briliant.

But we all know what is truly meant is:

"Windows is a great operating system" - "OSX is a great operating system"

"We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running it" - "Future Apple customers are excited at switching to OSX while retaining access to an inferior OS"

"..and that Apple is responding to meet the demand.'" - "..and that Apple is going to make huge market share gains."

Double-speak or what?

Apr 06, 06 - 03:27 pm Comment from: Eric

Didn't MS buy whoever made Virtual PC? Doesn't this f*ck there investment all up?

How exactly will we be able to track the Mac OS userbase now, if many people m,ight buy a Mac just to use as a Windows PC (until they see the light that is). I mean I know of a lot of people who for many reasons I disagree with refuse to believe that Mac OS X is better and easier to use, and yet have no problem drooling over the hardware and wishing it'd run Windows.... if enough of those people buy a Mac never even intending to use Mac OS won't they also be included in the numbers for Mac users?

Apr 06, 06 - 03:30 pm Comment from: Edgeley Exile 43

The trouble with Boot Camp is that it no longer matters if Apple sells 20 million Macs a year, all the Windows press can still claim that the Macs market share is only 3%. Anyone who tries to refute it will get "But those extra 7% just have Apple-branded Windows PCs" thrown back at them. The true number of switchers is now an unknown quantity.

And based on that, Mac users who don't want Windows are going to steadily be forced to install it anyway by developers who will drop their product's Mac version.

Whatever it's done to the stock in the short term, this could be the one decision that ensures Apple doesn't last another 30 years. It leaves me with a very uneasy feeling as to OS X's future, despite it's obvious superiority.

Apr 06, 06 - 03:32 pm Comment from: Edgeley Exile 43

Eric, it looks as if 1) we were having simultaneous thoughts, and 2) you're faster at typing than me.

grin

Apr 06, 06 - 03:46 pm Comment from: Winston

it really vaildates P.T. Barnum's statement: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

That was H.L. Mencken. Barnum said very similar things: "there's one born every minute" and "never give a sucker an even break."

I'm just glad Apple didn't go broke overestimating the intelligence of the American public!

Apr 06, 06 - 04:11 pm Comment from: MDM

Ha-ha-ha. You losers are so deluding yourselves. Only Mac geeks will use both OS's. Corporate IT will strip OS X from the drive and home users won't spend the extra cash to use this - and even if they did, they'll ask whoever sets it up for them to configure it so thaqt it boots directly into the OS they're most familiar with. One guess as to which one that is, dickwads tongue laugh.

Resistance is futile.

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock...

Apr 06, 06 - 04:13 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

The day I find out my personal computer system is being "blessed" by MS is the day I walk it out to the trash can. Has that day arrived? Sheeeeesh!

I bought my first Mac back in the middle 80's and you had to have a connection at the local university in order buy one. You couldn't just walk into a store and get a freakin Mac, that was Steve's fault, period. Now you mean to tell me we're zooming past Apple boutiques and moving straight to being assimilated.

I think I've had it with the personal computer game altogether. As it was it wasn't a good paradigm, having to upgrade a relatively expensive piece of gear at least every 5-7 years (for Macs of course) if you want to be able to take full advantage of all the latest software technology. Software is the same, every 5 years or less we are somewhat compelled to purchase major upgrade for everthing.

Now that pc perastroika [sp.?] is coming to and end, I can tell you for one, that I have no intension of having any person dictate to me what products I will or won't use. If there isn't going to be a real alternative to Windf**k in 5 years, that'll just mean I'll be saving myself a lot of money starting this year.

Good luck Apple.

Apr 06, 06 - 04:31 pm Comment from: macromancer

"Corporate IT will strip OS X from the drive.."

Ok who is the retard that is making this comment? First of all if Corporate IT buys a Mac to begin with, it isn't going to be to run Windows you stupid tool. If they get it, it will be to try Mac OS and maybe switch. Otherwise why would they bother to buy a Mac and put Windows on it in the first place when they could buy a bunch of crappy el-cheapo Dells and have Windows on it already.

What an amazingly stupid statement.

Apr 06, 06 - 04:31 pm Comment from: DakRoland

'Windows is a great operating system,' a Microsoft statement said. 'We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running it, and that Apple is responding to meet the demand.'"

Apple customers aren't "excited" about running it...we're excited that there's finally one (or three) less barriers, both technologically and psychologically to people switching to Apple Hardware and Mac OS X. THAT's what we're excited about. Apple isn't 'responding to meed the demand' so much as "Apple is addressing the concerns of people who want to get away from Windows, but don't know if they can go cold turkey."

Apr 06, 06 - 04:36 pm Comment from: Alex Harper

How very funny this all is. Apple has a half decent OS but its not amazing, so get a life and stop brand worshiping. If Microsoft was crap, everyone wouldnt use it. Apple was a brand, then you sold out IBM, now you are X86 like the rest of the world, and your systems run XP.

You have been changed into a pc, the hardware is the same, the only thing you have is the OS, which can be run on most PC's now if its cracked. Apple is nothing more than a Pretty Box.

Apr 06, 06 - 04:38 pm Comment from: OzzysCross101

Rome Wasn't Built in a day

Similarly, neither was the Mac

MW: The times, they are a-changin'. ( I wsware these are made to reflect whats going on in the news...)

Apr 06, 06 - 04:46 pm Comment from: maczealot

I suppose that the majority of folks who purchase a Mac to run Windows already have Windows on their PC's. Microsoft won't sell new OS's for these people. There may be a few Mac users who might spring for a copy of Windows, but not many I think. Bottom line, Microsoft sales of Windows won't change much from that which was predicted one month ago.

Apr 06, 06 - 04:54 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

Thanks a lot Steve... If you didn't have a real plan before today regarding booting you know what on a Mac, then I sure hope you're gettin one, 'cause this really sucks the very big one.

While I'm on it - Stop and think what's just happened, Apple is always soooo careful about leaking information and here it has just let out the smelliest, deadliest, foulist fart it has ever managed, sight-unseen, no explanation, no plan, no nothing. I can tell you that it has left those of us who have staked alot of our reputations over the last 2 decades on this stuff in a real lurch. As of today we've got real egg on our faces.

I hope someone at Apple decides to come out of their hole and start doin some 'splainin.

Apr 06, 06 - 04:54 pm Comment from: Matrix3

Hello People:

Steve has put a nail in M$'s coffin.

Look Vista is going to be late for holiday selling season..
Now all those people afraid to switch will have a reason to buy a MAC this holiday.

Guess what, they already have XP at home on the PC they want to replace.
They don't buy the upgrade M$ is trying to sell in 2007.

They buy a MAC , start using OSX, slowwly they realize why use M$ Windows? they only use it for programs they can't get on Mac's.
They realize what we know is the better operating system. They continue the upgrade path with Apple and if they still use windows keep the old XP. Which gets used less and less...


CHECKMATE - Apple gets the crown.......

Wait until the end of 2007, you'll see what I mean.
Today is start of the true decline of M$...

Apr 06, 06 - 05:25 pm Comment from: Autocad user

Thank you Apple. Finally, I can get a Mac.

Apr 06, 06 - 05:34 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

- Matrix3 -

I want to believe, I want to believe...

Apr 06, 06 - 05:54 pm Comment from: Roberto

Using a MAC to run Windoze:

That's like pouring PERFUME on a Pig.

Apr 06, 06 - 06:22 pm Comment from: Fuzzy Bo

'Windows is a great operating system'...

for me to poop on!

Apr 06, 06 - 06:45 pm Comment from: Bartsimpsonhead

Imagine the scene:

It's the holiday season. Snow falls gently to the ground, kids go sledging in the parks, there are Santa's on every corner collecting money for 'Bullmer's Software Manevolent Fund.' (or Benevolent Fund? Oh, like, whatever...)

Mr & Mrs. PeeCee User go down to the local mall to buy Junior the latest PC with that brand-spanking new, as secure as Fort Knox, Windows OS: Vista!

But hold on! Mr Computer Geek says Vista isn't out yet!!!

What will the PeeCee's do?!? Junior will be heart-broken Christmas morning is he cant play his new PC game "Zombie Flesh Eating Marines Hunt and Destroy Osama Bin Laden IV"

But wait... There is a solution.

These funny little Apple PCs will run Windows, Junior's PC games, and Dad's AutoCAD. And Mom gets to use iTunes to burn her Barry Manilow CDs and store the pictures of Juniors first drive-by-shooting in iPhoto.

Why not get one of them?



MDN word: already.
As in: If Apple can bring this stuff out already, imagine what's left in the basement of #1 Infinite Loop for this August?

Apr 06, 06 - 06:57 pm Comment from: spin doctor

Look Vista is going to be late for holiday selling season..

Heh Vista is going to flat out MISS the 2006 holiday season. And I'll venture to say it'll probably miss the 2007 holidays also. Crazy? Vista didn't exactly meet Christmas 2003 either.

"Windows is a great operating system. We're pleased that Apple customers are excited about running it, and that Apple is responding to meet the demand."

There are a few ways to view this statement:

1. MS is in a complete vacuum, and seriously believes that people want to buy Macs solely to run Windows.

2. It's a patronizing, condescending, arrogant sneer from MS. Like a political mud-sling.

3. MS sees the endgame & knows that they're in big trouble. This is just a happy-smiley spin to hide the panic.

I haven't decided which is most likely...

Apr 06, 06 - 07:01 pm Comment from: ishufflemyfeet

"'Windows is a great operating system,' a Microsoft statement said.

How can anyone say that without their pants bursting into flames?"


ROTFLMAO!

Agree completely! How can anyone think that Joe A. Citizen is going to want to buy a Mac (which costs more than a "regular PC) and DUAL BOOT Windows on it???? This will have very little sales effect on Macs. Mark my words. It's like mixing oil and water. It doesn't work. Or maybe ammonia and bleach. Not good!

"Can you say 'flop!', sure, I knew you could!" -- Fred Rogers

Apr 06, 06 - 07:25 pm Comment from: don't shop here

But hold on! Mr Computer Geek says Vista isn't out yet!!!
But wait... There is a solution.
Why not get one of them?

Because Mr. Computer Geek is a turkey.

Unfortunately this is how it'll play out:

Mr. Computer Geek: "Yes Vista isn't out yet, but it will be very soon on (insert latest release date here). It'll need lots of power, so to make sure you're ready you'll need our fastest PC, with the best video card and the most RAM. You'll need to buy our in-store extended warranty too, so don't even think about refusing. You know you want this PC. Resistance is futile."

The PeeCee's need to be smart enough to visit an Apple Store first (or at least be savvy enough to know Apple is an option).

Big Box PC stores are among retail's most miserable places. I can't imagine what they'll be like this holiday season.

Apr 06, 06 - 07:52 pm Comment from: Mac Man

Windoze is a terrible operating system!

I'll be back. Im gonna go throw somebody a beatin.

Apr 06, 06 - 08:23 pm Comment from: ziggybop

When did MS win the malware wars?

All it will take is the next big WIndows Virus Alert™ to drive IT and home users to a dual booting Mac.

Tell me again, how much money does Big Business spend on anti-virusware each year? How much money do they loose when a virus shuts them down for a day? How many times do home users reinstall Windows before they just start over with a new PC to get rid of system hogging malware?

Apr 06, 06 - 08:40 pm Comment from: Cubert

Mafia$oft is SOOOO stupid and naive to think that Boot Camp will help their sales.

Apr 06, 06 - 09:50 pm Comment from: ron

The weak end that Woz.

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