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Awesome Mac OS X is Service Pack 3

This is rich!

How can we explain this to the world? I wonder if Drudge would be interested?

Well, this is not news in the sense that it is "new" and heretofore not known. However, words cannot describe how ironic this must be for MS to admit.

Wondering which one will be the proverbial "straw?"

zac

The same is true if you're running Virtual PC for Windows. When using Shared Internet Connection the host computer acts as a router for the virtual machine. This particular issue is agnostic with regards to a Mac vs PC argument. I rest easy in the knowledge that someone will correct me if I'm wrong. =) I must confess, however, that I was unaware of the vulnerability when in Virtual Switch mode. Yikes! =(

Awesome. At least MS is acknowledging their own limitations. Kinda like using the PPC in the Xbox 2 and using Macs for games design

So if I have a win box on my LAN, should I use an OSX box to act as the router, or proxy server for it?

Yeah, it's also the slowest way to run Windows.

Why sacrifice either speed or security when you can have both with a Mac running OS X?

It's agnostic to a certain extent, but you'd have to be running VPC on a PC that was securely set up in the first place for it to be OK in shared mode. That's a big assumption.

That's like saying, "PCs are secure, you just have to set them up right", when, in fact it's arguably impossible to do so because it takes longer to download the patches than it does to get infected.

"Words cannot describe how ironic this must be for MS to admit"

At least they admit things...

Apple Support Sucks.....

They rely on the public to support their proprietary OS...

Yesterday, I called apple on an issue ive been having with a G5 not picking up on its 2nd processor.

Apple: Hello, thanks for calling apple care, my I have your name please.

Me: Snagglepuss

Apple: thank you for that, do you have a open ticket to refer your call to today?

Me: No

Apple: Do you have a warranty or did you buy an applecare package.

Me: No,its supposed to come with them because we buy about 300 systems a year from you guys.

Apple: What is the serial number for the machine your calling in reference to?

Me: Gave serial.

Apple: I show that this machine is out of warranty so therefore I cannot provide Applecare for it.

Me: Really? I just bought it less than a month ago, and the 90 day support period is already up?
What did you guys start the 90 days when it was in YOUR warehouse?

Apple: No

Me: Well then why cant I have support.

Apple: You need to take it to a certified apple support specialist...

Me: I just bought the machine. Do you guys relize that I buy so much from you but the support I receive on your products suck? I buy tons from dell, And they give me support for 3 years for free.

Apple: You need to take it to a certified apple support specialist...

Me: I dont understand why you cannot support a product that you just sold me, why is the warranty up on the system?

Apple: All I know is the serial you gave me shows the warranty was up in may...Take it to an apple specialist and they will be able to help.

Me: You suck...Click

So you see, I bought this machine in September, but the warranty was up in May....That is bullshit...

At least dell sells me a crappy machine and supports the crappy thing until 3 years later...
MS Is the same way, i have no problems getting support from them, Although i've never had to call them for windows or office support.

Well you won't get anywhere with that attitude.

Yeah, whatever

"PCs are secure, you just have to set them up right", when, in fact it's arguably impossible to do so because it takes longer to download the patches than it does to get infected.

You wont get anywhere with that attitude either.

Still no viruses, malware, spyware, etc after 10 yrs of using windows...

I have to run VPC for one small proprietary app that I demo, and it needs to have Access installed. Basically I have Windows, Office and the app installed on my PB. Not as fast as it could be, but works well for me.

The funny thing I have found is that Windows is more stable on a Mac than it is on a Dell!

Why would a company buy 300 Macs and then still buy from Dell?

Well you must know how to set them up right. Good for you. This Windows security stuff must all be nonsense becasue Snagglepuss doesn't have a problem. Applecare must be 5hit because Snagglepuss had a problem.

Now in this instance, of course Applecare were 5hit, but it really doesn't seem like you gave them much of a chance. This is just a call centre person you spoke to, working off a script. You need to sweet talk them. If you get aggressive, then BZZT! thanks for playing!

"Still no viruses, malware, spyware, etc after 10 yrs of using windows..."

Wow, this is even better than what Bill Gate's experiences on his PC! You could become filthy rich by publishing a book how to run Windows without adverse effects. Why don’t you do this?

Even Microsoft is unaware of your amazing talents and technological wizardry. Have you applied for a job with Microsoft? You could be Times Man of the Year, at least, if not savior of Microsoft!

Are you willing to divulge these tips and techniques? Hmm, will these same techniques work on Longhorn? Are these techniques 64-bit compatible? Are you sure that there will be no conflicts with WinFS?

If you can’t disclose to the world these secrets I will assume that you are a lying, Mac envying, mama’s boy.

Either his computer in in the basement with no internet connection or he has not looked for anything. Ignorance is bliss.

Why would anyone spend money on a mac and then buy virtual pc to run windows on it? It does not make sense to open up a beautiful machine to viruses and malware.
Please leave the mac pure and unsoiled.

snagglepuss

I don't know too many 486 computers running windows 3.1 that are very fuctional. What do you run on that box? Must be one awsome chess game.

The safest way to run windows on your mac is DON'T BOTHER!!

Why use a crap OS when you can use the revolutionary OS X!!

Every Apple computer that has Windows installed in it through Virtual PC becomes a Windows PC. Therefore, your beloved Apple computer will statistically be counted as a PC running Windows, wich technically increases Microsoft's market share.

It's a dangerous tradeoff. "Where do you wanna go today?"

I actually had good experience with AppleCare. I have a 12” PowerBook that is a couple months out of warranty that needed a new motherboard (the onboard memory went bad). I was aggressive, but polite and Apple replaced the motherboard for FREE! ZERO dollars! Zilch!

Some of us have to run Virtual PC in order to be able to use Macs in our work!!!!!

It's either that or buy a PC!

Do you get that?

Many of us do not have the luxury of choosing!

We run our Macs as much as we can, even at times when our Windows users at work give us crap.

We do NOT need it from you!

Above Eric says (in regard to purchasing Virtual PC), "...your beloved Apple computer will statistically be counted as a PC running Windows, wich technically increases Microsoft's market share."

My reply: I'm sure Apple would be more than happy for people to migrate from their current Wintel box to a Macintosh running Virtual PC.

Everybody running Windows on Apple Os X!
AAPL $1000 anybody?

I am buying AAPL as much as I can at the moment =)
I´ve been waiting this moment to happen for the past 4 years (since the Os X was introduced). Now it is happening finally! Everybody confeses what we have known all this time.. Windows sucks and Os X rocks! Wintel dinosaurus is dying. Long live mammals and Apple! =)

Now all we need is that SOB Bush to be beaten by Kerry.

One guy from Finland;

Finland?

In any case; it takes an SOB to be obsessed with one.

and you are obsessed.

I am not obsessed about Bush.
That psycho is obsessed about guns and explosives ie is armed and dangerous. Unfortunatly that SOB can send troops where ever he likes and nobody questions his motives.

i put os x on here and the thing still managed to go into AUTO SHUT DOWN IN 40 seconds mode.. cool huh?

er.. i mean.. i put Winxp on my mac and still got... yada yada..

Snagg.... Since WHEN does Dell offer FREE support for 3 years... Been purchasing extended warranties on Dells since 1989. Standard $499 system comes with 1 year. Standard Business system comes with 3 years BUT it is a separate line item that has a cost....

As for Apple support, every system I purchase or have a client purchase also gets Apple Support for three years. I have had need to use it on only one machine twice. The logic board for video on my own iBook has needed to be replaced twice. Both times I have received shipping box on day 1, sent it out on day 1, Apple receives, fixes, and ships on day 2, and I have working unit on day 3.

Thats what I call service....

snagglepuss -- I have worked for IBM and Compaq, and I have worked on deployments of 1500-2500 PCs at large companies. Your supercilious attitude in dealing with a telephone support person would probably be grounds for disciplinary action in my organization. If I were the hiring manager and you displayed that kind of attitude during the interview, I'd immediately show you the door and not bother with the behavioral or situational questions even if you knew SMS2003 and Metaframe XP inside out.

Listen!!! i'm not attacking just anyone who use Virtual PC. if u have to use it because u have no choice, then go use it!!! and i'm sure it's used as a "crutch" by recent switchers to wean them off of windows. there are also those who like to run virtual pc on their machines just so they can run those stupid little programs that will probably never be ported to the mac. they want the best of both worlds. i just wanna make these people aware of the danger in doing so. u are essentially giving money to microsoft to expand their OS monopoly even more. if u dont need it in ur mac, dont get it.

When IDC gathers statistical data of how many computers use windows, they also count those little gadgets and cash registers that run MS software. I'm sure they gladly count those macs that run VIrtual PC as well to give a distorted number and a false sense that windows is more widespread than it truly is.

I control Bush remotely and have just ordered him to invade Finland. He will liberate all of your grapefruit juice and vodka spritzers and your albums by "Sweet". Never again shall you call the President an SOB. He is most assuredly NOT from South Of Boston (unless you mean Texas, but I don't think you do)! I know Dubya will find lots of WMDs in Finland -- Wanna-be Macintosh Dudes. Or maybe White Male Depressives.

What happened to snagglepuss when he called Apple was exactly what was supposed to happen - Apple did NOT make a mistake there.

When you buy a computer, you should register it with Apple, telling them when you bought it - and they will then start the warranty at that time.

If you don't register, then Apple has NO WAY of knowing when you bought it, so they can only go on what date they shipped to the supplier. Which is why a very new Mac can APPEAR to be out of warranty.

This is what happened to me, and it seems to snagglepus - but there is an easy way to fix it. You simply take it to any authorised reseller/service centre, with proof-of-date-of-purchase, and they will advise Apple of the date the warranty SHOULD have started from - and your computer then gets fixed.

Hey, wait a minute - isn't "taking it to an authorised service centre" EXACTLY what the Apple Customer Support person told snagglepuss to do? Yes, yes it was. Like I said, Apple did NOT make a mistake there.

snagglepuss, I don't believe for one second your ridiculous claims about malware, because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And further, I don't believe for one second that you are actually in IT supporting Macs, because if you were, you would have known about such a basic thing as the necessity of registration.

"i've never had to call them (MS) for windows or office support" - ah ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, mercy. Wow - thanks for that. It is election day here in Oz, so I needed a good laugh.

I've had to contact AppleCare twice, once with a broken PowerBook keyboard (that got fixed for free) and once for a dead iPod (that got replaced for free).

However, I have had Dell take money from both me and my clients and then f*ck about to the point where weeks later the server hardware has not even arrived and nobody is returning my phone calls, even though they still have tens of thousands of my and my client's money in their bank account, and on the only other occasion I used them I ordered 1600 identical PCs and had the second batch of 300 turn up with completely different graphics chips and NICs despite the machines having the same product number. To make matters worse in that case, it took Dell days to admit their mistake and agree to take back the crappy units, by which time I was nearly two weeks behind with the project schedule and had to work seven days a week for the next month to get back to finish the rollout on time. The servers got cancelled, with the money going to HP in the end, and after the disgraceful excuse for support I received with the PCs I vowed never to use that bunch of incompetent arseholes again.

Dell support good? Bullshit.

Heres an idea: Apple could make a firewall that uses OSX's Shared Networking. Protection for windows users in a $99 package, want complete protection? Get a Mac mini.

This article clearly reflects Mac users have no idea how virtualization nor is networking works. Virtual Switch feature in VPC virtual share the same IP and network resource as if a normal Windows box with no firewall at all. MS is assuming that a person is trying to install a Windows XP without SP2. Since every copy of Windows XP you can get nowsdays are all SP2 slipstreamed and SP2 come with a firewall, it's kind of a moot point anyway.

However, running VPC in Shared Networking mode means VPC created a virtual network within a Mac. It's equal to running a NAT setting with a Mac/Router being as a internet gateway. The Guest OS Network is running "behind" the Host Network, since it created a virtual network segmentation it's automatically safer. It's not about Mac being safer or not, it's just the way of the networking.