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Windows rocks!!

Surprise, surprise, surprise! Didn't see this one comign. I love this quote:

'Longhorn is going to stop being a whole new thing and more of an XP with a lot of good new stuff'

My question is: What was good about the OLD stuf???

Really, what is the surprise here?

That Microsoft announced something that they later retratct - hardly a new development from the kings of vaporware.

That Microsoft announced something they discovered they couldn't deliver to schedule - like Windows 2000 or XP before it, or like various versions of SQL Server or Exchange.

That Microsoft sucked developers and customers in with a promise of future riches, only for the poor suckers to discover that the whole thing was an elaborate con trick - that's what comes of relying on a company that employs Apple rejects and is willing to base its entire vision of innovation on plagiarism and deceit.

I wonder what Thurrott will say…

Wow, things just keep getting worse in M$ land. And to think that people bitch about Apple's issues! Now THIS is what I call a BAD delay. LOL

Turdrott will come up with his usual bullsh*t spin on things I'm sure. No way you can easily spin this into anything remotely positive though. This is horrific news for MS fanboys.

We all know MS follows Apple's lead. So, whose OS will MS buy to replace longhorn (as Apple bought NextOS to replace Copland)... SCO? PalmOS/Be? or may be FreeBSD (why change the success).

So does this mean that rather than being Panther, Longhorn will be more akin to Jaguar?

I wonder what will be cut? It should be entertaining to see...

chop, chop, whoops, oh well, didn't need ethernet...

snip, snip, whoops, oh well, didn't need enhanced printing...

saw, saw, whoops, oh well, sure didn't need iPod compatibility...

clip, clip, whoops, oh well, didn't need the new firewall...

rip, rip, whoops...didn't need that...

bang, bang, whoops...

crack, crack, whoops...

(continues for several more months)

... you get the idea

AGAIN?! They said they were cutting back ages ago.. now even more?! Er... What does this do for developers... who were already planning new features, etc.

Oh well.. Maybe Ballmer offered to take them all out to dinner and break the news. What a sweetheart.

If they hit Jaguar status by 2008 I will be amazed. Don't even think about them matching Panther... They're still working on OS 9

Oh just gut the damn thing.

I can make Barbacoa, fajita's, t-bone steak, lengua, ribs, rib-eye and much much more. Pass me the Rudy's Rub. Bout time it became good stuff.

And there you have it, Mr Thurott. All those hardware requirements and software incompatabilities for Longhorn were just a little too ambitious eh.
Any comments Mr Thurott? I'm listening...

i.e. Longhorn = Windows XP SP3. Glad we waited all these years for THAT!

Yall wanted Thurott's spin on it, here it is in all it's FUD glory:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2004.asp

Amazing!

All you Macinfluff users don't know your history very well. This is exactly what happened during the OS9 to OSX transition. I guess Microsoft will copy Apple again (hehehe!!!), and be 100x more successful than they were.

I'll bet that all of those companies that shelled out for an M$ "subscription" are more than a bit pissed that all they got for their dollar is XP SP2 (which everyone else gets for free).

It is really great to be in such a great position as an Apple Mac user and I am gloating without a bit of guilt. Even with slower than planned CPU development and product upgrades, Apple looks great in comparison to the rest of the field. I have a G5/1.8 (single, not dual) and I am extremely pleased with its operation (even though the IT department is just now beginning to allow MacOS X v10.3 upgrades.

Guys don't you wish you had XP's usability... (talk about a generous description)

Thurrott:
Longhorn will still be a major Windows release, on both the client and the server, and with recent improvements to Mac OS X and Linux doing little to nip away at XP's technological and usability leads, Longhorn will likely still stand at the apex of personal computing when its ships. Put succinctly, though the kitchen sink approach is gone, Longhorn remains the OS technology to watch.



Elsewhere...

"Obviously, this change marks a major departure for the software giant, which had previously pledged to make Longhorn its most impressive Windows update ever. However, since announcing these early, lofty goals, the software giant has been steadily missing deadlines and restarting Longhorn-related projects. Just this month, for example, the core Windows team gave up on its plan to componentized the Windows Server-based Longhorn source code and literally started over from scratch using the Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) code base. That change alone would have delayed Longhorn for several months had the company tried to continue its original rollout plans."

Boo Hoo

Ya gotta read this:
"Thurrott: Apple iPod by HP 'a lost cause and completely uninteresting'"

MDN slices and dices Thurrott:
http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P3336_0_1_0

LOL!

Microsoft is a joke!

With a $6billion R+D budget all theyre gonna do now is a tweaked version of XP that is available now!

And it's gonna be late!

LOL!

A typical senario of a company that has got too big and can't keep it's products upto date because they have too big a market share!

Thank god Apple is a small company in comparision!

The gap bewteen OS X and windows has just doubled in size!!

I must have missed the announcement... wasn't Microsoft going to introduce their Music Store this week? Apparently it isn't only Wronghorn that is slipping in Redmond.

In response to "s" and his/her/its rhetorical question:

"We all know MS follows Apple's lead. So, whose OS will MS buy to replace longhorn (as Apple bought NextOS to replace Copland)... SCO? PalmOS/Be? or may be FreeBSD (why change the success)."

Some time back Microsoft suckered Hewlett-Packard out of the rights to True-64, a very fine and secure version of Unix. Word has it that M$ has future plans to quietly shift the base of Windows over to it... if they can just figure out how Apple created a usable GUI for FreeBSD. Also, they have to see how well the PPC fares against Intel's continuing round of failures in developing the Pentium 4.

This isn't very different from how Intel suckered Hewlett-Packard out of their PA-RISC technology. (Ms. Fiorina has a penchant for throwing out HP's best stuff in favor of Wintellian techno-drek...) Intel took a good processor design, mangled it and came up with that silicon joke we all know and laugh about, the Itanium. Anyone wanna take bets that M$ will do as badly when they attempt to convert True-64 into a Mac OS X clone?

"Features are being 'decoupled,' according to current Redmond jargon, meaning they may be introduced at a later date. Or not," Andrew Orlowski reports for The Register.

So, in several million lines of code, they're going to cut out, who knows how many thousands of links to all this now-to-be-unused program code. It's only human nature that several of the program links will be overlooked and not cut out. This will make the eventual release of Longhorn downright entertaining.

hahahahahahahahha!

OFF dang it OFF not OF

I'm so lam

Holy crap, the word is LAME, not LAM.

what a dipsit.

Microsoft got wind that Tiger will be in stores the second week of November and is now crapping their pants. Poor babies. They could purge Longhorn till it's anorexic and it would still be too fat.

If this isn't another Copland, NOTHING is.

Maybe Microsoft can license a version of OS X?

Some choice Longhorn reporting from Reuters May 2004...

"The operating system's windows would ripple and shrink..."
errr shouldn't that read "wobble for a year or two and then completely disappear"?

"the software maker is aiming to make Windows behave more like, well, Windows"
Yup - they're getting closer to their aim every month!

http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P1084_0_1_0_C

They waited until a Friday after the stock market had closed, the closing weekend for the Olympics, just before the Republican convention starts. They are hoping that there will be too much else going on for anyone to notice.

Well, 'we' might 'notice' later.

MDN...remind us on Monday, will you? ;^)

"... with recent improvements to Mac OS X and Linux doing little to nip away at XP's technological and usability leads, Longhorn will likely still stand at the apex of personal computing when its ships."

I thought it was funny, early in the article, when Thurott wrote that the average PC user is too dumb to handle a whole bunch of OS changes all at once.

But when he unleashed the above statement in the final paragraph, he transcended biased opinion. He outdid himself in writing the most hilarious information technology lies on the face of the inhabited earth.

ROFL hysterically!!!! :-D

Longhorn is now offcially renamed Little Steer.

For those of you without knowledge of animal husbandry, ranching, or veterinary medicine a steer is a bovine that has not reached sexual maturity and is castrated.

The emaculation of Microsoft's efforts is reason enough to suspect that Windows will never produce a robust line of operating systems.

Imagine, all those brilliant minds in Redmond and the best they can do is change the labeling on the box for another XP variant.

hey you hamburglars. bill gates sends his regards... oops. I meant to say sends his asstastic software.

baaawhahahhahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha

moo.

Yeah well osx is great and all but my airport card and airport express have a 5 FOOT!!!!! range. So not all things apple are so grand.

Bryan:

The expected range for Airport Express is 150 feet, depending on "building construction" characteristics. Have you discussed this problem with Apple? If yes, what was Apple's response? Is your device still under warranty? If yes, did you exchange it with a new device?

The last time Microsoft scaled back their OS to meet the shipping date resulted in Windows ME *shudder!* If that is any indication, we'll see a disaster in the making.

Looks like the horn just got cut off. Now it should just be called Long......
So there going to make XP Deluxe or something, what good will that do. Same garbage code for hackers and virus writers to chop up into little pieces. Why would anyone want to buy that?

Longhorn -vaporware extraordinaire.

Anyone thought this is just M$ latest attempt to deter people and the media's attention away from their mass problems with XP SP2????

I just went checked Google news and all the headlines from mainstream press are along the lines of: New Windows Planned for 2006; or New Windows version coming 2006???

Yeah right folks, something "better" is coming in 2006, so forget about your pains with SP2 for now!

Tools!

typical Microsoft...saying they are going to do something and then they change their tune when they realize they are in over their heads. Ok, now wasn't SP2 supposed to fix holes?! Hmmm, I heard it's not any different than with just SP1. A crappy OS with lots of holes that is years behind OS X. So once again they are playing catch up with Apple, and then when they see thay can't bridge the gap, they cut all the Apple rip-off stuff they were working on and just make something a few months more advanced than XP. So that leaves them...hmm...how many years behind now? Only a company like Microsoft can give their customers the shaft and get away with it, because what other choice do they have? Well, they can get a Mac, and I think they should. Just look at how Microsoft does business.

Stop playing catch up, do yourself a favor and GET A MAC! You'll be happier and on the bleeding edge of tech.

MOoo!

Longhorn BBQ at my place!

so'Longhorn!

It's all good. We know that cattle mutilation is good so that the Tiger has something to eat. Then the corporate cats can start asking that age old question, "Where's the Beef!" Can't wait till the cat's out of the bag!

Bryant,

I have rock walls in the place I am now, two Airbase Extreme stations cover the whole 2 story house and I can work in the yard with good weather some 20 yds away the house perimeters.

Very relaxing to work on a hammock.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/08/28/windows.release.reut/index.html

OH MY OH MY. ShortHorn is chopped to death and CNN comes with the title "Ambitious Windows Upgrade in 2006"

Gosh, Windows users must be frigging stupid and people in Redmont know about it. How can - if not a stupid dork - anyone read news about features ditched off Longhorn and then read "Ambitios Windows upgrade" without thinking "These people are screwing me and my wallet to death and think I am idiot enough not to notice!"

Geez Windozers, shame on you. You get fooled not once, not twice but infinite times. Amazing.

From the article: "next major upgrade to Windows, which promises to boost the performance "

LOL, it never happened. Every single update to now beleaguered Windoze required hardware upgrade. It does not promise to boost performance: it REQUIRES boosted performances!

"To get Longhorn shipped on time, however, Microsoft said it had sacrificed a key component of the system that was to be shipped concurrently, the underlying file system for the software, called WinFS.

The new file system, based on database software architecture aimed at making it easier for users to find information stored on hard drives, will be shipped later, with a test, or beta version, of WinFS shipping along with Longhorn in 2006."

No new file system? LOL, then it will be the same old crappy XP in a new package.

"Then pick up a copy of Mac OS X 'Tiger' in January 2005"

You mean June 2005.

to bad windows already has a superior file sytem to compared to apple.

Paul Thurrott is to Microsoft

as

MDN is to Apple

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Mac & PC Guy

What I think is absolutely hilarious is that all the Microsoft fanboys and anti-Apple crew at tech sites like ArsTechnica were ripping Apple's Spotlight technology as "not a real database file system like WinFS will be!!". I wonder what those clowns are saying now, perhaps I'll jump over there and take a look.