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Microsoft’s Gates espouses homogenous operating system environments for better security
Monday, February 07, 2005 - 10:57 AM EDT

Microsoft founder Bill Gates, 49, talks about the thorny issues of computer security and other issues with SPIEGEL magazine. In the interview, Gates espouses homogenous operating system use. An excerpt:

Gates: The truth is: the fewer operating systems there are within a company, the better it is from a security point of view.

SPIEGEL: I beg your pardon?

Gates: Simply because one must spend billions of dollars to ensure the security of each individual system. Our company has an unbelievable number of people who are solely responsible for this type of security around the clock.

SPIEGEL: The particular charm of Linux is that it is an adaptable system that users can shape themselves.

Gates: If everything runs under the same platform, however, you can better concentrate resources and more quickly repair errors. For instance, in a hospital where different systems are used, a single problem in one section cause the other systems to crash. Thus, from a security standpoint it is always better to focus on one system.

SPIEGEL: But your small competitor Apple, for example, is much less frequently a victim of virus attacks ...

Gates: ... put so sweepingly, that is not correct. Of course we are the largest target, simply because we have the most widely disseminated system. But it affects others in exactly the same way. Linux is, in many respects, even more significantly affected.

SPIEGEL: In a few hours a Windows virus can travel across the world like an epidemic...

Gates: ... above all because of our global popularity. But we know that. And we must apply still more time and money to it. However, spam or data theft are not questions of the operating system. For this, you also need laws and global standards.

SPIEGEL: Once again: Windows is the most vulnerable.

Gates: You could look at that in many ways. The speed with which, for example, the Linux community reacts to problems is not especially high -- that's because this system, unlike ours, simply does not keep thousands of people on standby to deal with problems. In this respect, a commercially distributed operating system also has decisive benefits. Sweeping judgments don't help because we all have to take the problems seriously. Even Linux developers know that there is no miracle cure in Linuxland. They, too, must continue to work and continue to make progress.


Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Note how Gates turns the conversation from Apple's Mac platform to Linux and makes no mention of Mac OS X. That's very telling, as are the related articles below. One can only hope that those wedded firmly to homogenous Microsoft Windows networks, will wake up and realize that diversity of platforms is the best course to chart for the future if security is really their goal.

Related MacDailyNews articles:
Single Mac keeps company running while Windows machines fail due to Blaster worm - August 13, 2003
MSBlaster Windows worm cost: hundreds of millions of dollars - August 13, 2003
Congress members frustrated with computer viruses wonder how to protect public - September 11, 2003

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Feb 07, 05 - 12:16 pm Comment from: Beryllium

Monocultures are ALWAYS more susceptible to epidemics, including (or especially) electronic ills.

Magic word: number. As in, maybe Bill fears Microsoft's number is up, a consummation devoutly to be wished. angry

Feb 07, 05 - 12:17 pm Comment from: Josh

He knows he's wrong, he is such a politician for his own product he will spew these lies. Its very similar to biology, if everyone is the same and a virus attacks us and we are vulnerable we all die. If mixed within the whole there are differences, then we are not ALL vulnerable and we all won't die. If our biology works that way then it's the right way.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:18 pm Comment from: Bishop

Notice the abject fear as Gates' eyes (conversationally) STAY turned away from OS X. He can't even address it. Good example is like a beaten dog. If a dog has been beaten, when you raise your hand, it turns away from you but still cringes.

Gates' fear of Mac shows clearly here. And he has always had this problem in interviews. Look at it... he keeps talking over the interviewer.

Brought to you by the magic word DEFENSE, as in Bill's on the defense now that people are finding out the important issue about OS's. Security.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:24 pm Comment from: rcarlos

And I suppose all of Nebraska should be sown with a single strain of wheat?

"...a single problem in one section cause the other systems to crash." "...it affects others in exactly the same way."

No wonder this guy got blindsided by the Internet. Apparently he still doesn't get it.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:24 pm Comment from: ABQ Peter

bill comes across like a sad, pathetic man who is in denial.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:27 pm Comment from: SOLAR FLARE

It is commercial suicide for any company to use just a mono-operating system on their network.

Theres a phrase in the UK - 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket'!

Feb 07, 05 - 12:32 pm Comment from: iSteve

Actually he is right - one operating system is best. Of course, that is OS X and not Windows.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:33 pm Comment from: theloniusMac

Foshizzil myswizzil, somebody need to pop a cap in this mofo's arse for once for all his lies.

True. True.

Whoah... my magic word is "True."

Feb 07, 05 - 12:34 pm Comment from: me

How many stories have we heard that during a major virus outbreak, an entire company was run on a lone Powerbook?

Feb 07, 05 - 12:35 pm Comment from: rageous

does anyone actually expect Gates to say "Well sure Apple's operating system is far less vulnerable than ours! And not because of it's smaller market share, oh no, but because it is much higher quality in construction and security features. EVERYONE knows this, even we here at Microsoft. That's why we think it's a good idea for every business and individual to be responsible and diversify their operating systems. Windows, or any OS for that matter, can't be trusted to work in a homogenous environment."

Seriously, why bag the guy for doing exactly what any CEO is going to do. Talk up their company and how great they are for the entirety of Terra Firma?

Gates is a tool, but this interview has little to do with it.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:36 pm Comment from: theman-x

did u guys see that article about Halo turning into a movie?

Micosh*t alrdy hired a director

i think thats y that quit the bungie team

Feb 07, 05 - 12:38 pm Comment from: theman-x

oops i meant the former pres of bungie

Feb 07, 05 - 12:38 pm Comment from: theloniusMac

Man, they are handing out some serious kool aid at Microsoft these days. Are they practicing the "Big Lie" theory or what! First we get Ballmer telling us that MS was first with everything, now Gates is claming that a single platform is more secure than multiple platforms.

Is he really that out of touch?

Good.

The company will drown in its own kool aid.

Talk about reality distortion fields. Steve has nothing on this.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:49 pm Comment from: Ben

"Gates' fear of Mac shows clearly here. And he has always had this problem in interviews. Look at it... he keeps talking over the interviewer."

Yeah, Bill's scared of Mac's shrinking market share. Don't kid yourself, he's far more nervous of Linux than Max OS. He couldn't give a rats ass about Mac.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:49 pm Comment from: rcarlos

> Theres a phrase in the UK - 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket'!

Well, there's a US corollary: Put all your eggs in one basket- then WATCH THAT BASKET! Who needs a single, intelligent purchasing decision when you have "thousands of people on standby to deal with problems"? Is Gates vying for a Homeland Security contract or something?

I don't have a monoculture in my home units... I'm holding out on my WinNT box at work... and I can get to work by car, motorcycle, two bicycles, several bus routes... and I even hiked it once, just to prove a point.

Feb 07, 05 - 12:55 pm Comment from: HEY GUYS, I WANT TO BE SUPERIOR TOO!!! NOT!

God, Dont flatter yourselves people. The interview had nothing to do with OS X . Its just another interview with BG. Who cares. Maybe if you people would actually do something (like get people to switch) instead of waiting for news on microsoft just so you can bash the hell out of any little thing you can find to bash. There might be more Mac users out there. But instead you all make it known that you are somehow, someway, "superior" to everyone else (Grow-up, It is a computer, right?) just because of the computer you drive... This is part of the reason why people dont swtch to the snobby, yuppi, dinkish "cult" known as Mac. I use em both..(so bash me for it,infact flame me for it, I dont care) does it really make a difference?. So I guess I should have some sort of "Split" personality, keeping one part of the brain from using the other..Puh-Lease. Im mean come on. If you guys really believe that a computer makes you superior, than you all have another thing coming. I drive a ferrari, So therefore, the car YOU drive, the computer you use, and the house you live in are all inferior to my successful lifestyle (now does that sound like a friggin adult?????) (or are you all like 14, still poping zits and wiping of the keyboard when your done?)...Grow up tight wads.

brought to you by "these" as in Some of *These* Mac people need to grow the hell up.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:12 pm Comment from: zupchuck

Why should Gates talk about OS X? Linux is far more prevalent in the enterprise market and therefore more of a worry for Microsoft. With Linux, you don't have to buy new Intel hardware, just change the OS from Windows. It's a different story for Apple. And besides, the interview was with Bill Gates, not Steve Jobs.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:14 pm Comment from: donnie

bill gates, a liar?

no way...

Feb 07, 05 - 01:15 pm Comment from: Al

Microsoft is sponsoring all the studies that say Linux and OS X are vulnerable to virus attack if you have physical access to the machine.

They also pay security companies to find security flaws in Linux and OS X and release those results at just the right moment. They had one sit on 5 OS X flaws an release them just after the Mac mini debut. Good thing there was no 'We Are Invulnerable' add campaign.

If there ever is a successful Mac OS X virus or trojan Microsoft will have bought and paid for it and probably picked just the right time for it's release.

Yes Bill Gates is scared. Scared shitless.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:17 pm Comment from: jneal

the man can't see the forrest thru the trees. i wonder if he was doodling during the interview.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:19 pm Comment from: mike

He's been saying this stuff since the 80's...

the hitch..

VIrus Writers are developers too..wink

and they looooove Windows...

Gates is right..but Windows still blows..

MS should be making enough money to hire people and stamp out these problems.. and that's what they do.

Then again... their OS is so old and full of holes..

Feb 07, 05 - 01:23 pm Comment from: pogo

"HEY GUYS"

Easy on the punch boy. You could put an eye out!

Magic word "Nuclear" How did MDN know?

Feb 07, 05 - 01:23 pm Comment from: effwerd

Maybe if you people would actually do something (like get people to switch) [...]

Oh, the irony.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:26 pm Comment from: Ben

"Microsoft is sponsoring all the studies that say Linux and OS X are vulnerable to virus attack if you have physical access to the machine."

Microsoft has sponsored countless "independent" Linux studies proclaiming security issues, NEVER for Mac OS.

Get your facts straight. BG does not care about Mac OS period. Linux, definitely, Mac, no.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:26 pm Comment from: CitizenX

"Gates: ... However, spam or data theft are not questions of the operating system. For this, you also need laws and global standards."

Laws and global standards are BG's last refuge. He knows he can't compete in the market of ideas. I have a feeling that this initiative is more to protect his future business, than it is a security issue.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:27 pm Comment from: effwerd

The problem Bill has is that he is no GW. People expect Bill to be somewhat intelligent so he can't use the old "repeat until it sounds true" trick that GW uses.

I love Speigel's reaction in the first quote:

Gates: The truth is: the fewer operating systems there are within a company, the better it is from a security point of view.

SPIEGEL: I beg your pardon?


When you spew facile idealism 180 degress opposite to conventional wisdom, saying "I beg your pardon," is the polite way to laugh.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:28 pm Comment from: ToeKnee

Re: "HEY GUYS, I WANT TO BE SUPERIOR TOO!!! NOT!"

His one hand says, "Stop saying you're superior!" whilst the other hand blathers, "Get people to switch!"

Praytell, how are we supposed to get people to switch without espousing the superior nature of the product???

You're just a blah blah person.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:35 pm Comment from: spyinthesky

A few fraid nerves above it seems. Now now boys don't be so sensitive and defensive for your dear old uncle Bill. Actually its your 'Master' that sounds more like he is taking the supremacist root what with preaching the electronic version of eugenics ie purity equals superiority. Some people never learn it seems

Feb 07, 05 - 01:42 pm Comment from: ndelc

This interview is priceless! I love this part:

"Simply because one must spend billions of dollars to ensure the security of each individual system. Our company has an unbelievable number of people who are solely responsible for this type of security around the clock."

One only need to spend "billions" to ensure security IF THEY'RE USING WINDOWS!!! They have thousands of people responsible because their system is so insecure!

Then the interviewer specifically asks about OS X, but he changes the subject to Linux because he can't argue with him about the Mac.

I think he took lessons from Iraq's Minister of (dis)Information.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:43 pm Comment from: Gambit

"...One must spend billions of dollars to ensure the security of each individual system. Our company has an unbelievable number of people who are solely responsible for this type of security around the clock.

Excuse me? Maybe microsucks and other companies with windoze has to spend billions on security, but not for Macs!

He has no vision. No style. No idea what he's talking about. He's such an idiot.

When reading interviews with Billy goat, his words don't connect with me. He has no original ideas and is so frickin boring! But when I read interviews with Steve Jobs, he has such conviction about his vision and it sounds so exciting.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:47 pm Comment from: mrme118

as AtAT says, "The suburbs are also safer because they are less populated. It doesn't mean we should all move to the inner-city and tape $100 bills to our chest."

Feb 07, 05 - 01:49 pm Comment from: yeah

ndelc, I was just going to reference the same guy.

Sounds a lot like newscasts where the Iraqi MoD was being interviewed saying that they would push back the infidels (or whatever he said) while you could almost see the US soldiers taking control in the background.

Feb 07, 05 - 01:55 pm Comment from: joe

I have always wondered why every other piece of software written for banks and hospitals must go through rigorous test to make sure that they ensure data privacy.

If the application fails or is hacked, the software vendor has to fix the problem and can be penalized.

Any computer software needs to be approved by the FDA if it deals with patient care.

Why is M$ excused?

Why is M$ not required to fix their problems?

Why do banks and hospitals switch to Windows and Office?

Why are new ATM's running windows?

Why it is not M$ responsibility but the gov't?

Feb 07, 05 - 02:03 pm Comment from: Less is More

... and that's Bill Gates for ya. He can't change.

Feb 07, 05 - 02:09 pm Comment from: Gb

You guys are blind. Bill changes the subject from Mac OS X to Linux because Apple is not a player in the business market. The discussion was about corporate IT. Apple's 3% of the market is home users, Hollywood, and Photoshop pros. The Apple market share in corporate IT is neglible. Want a good laugh or confused look from your boss? Suggest they install an XServe or a few iMacs in your next meeting..

Linux, on the other hand, is making inroads. (1) because its free, and (2) because it can be loaded over an old Windows install. From this standpoint Bill is right. You are on your own if you run your corporation business workstations and servers using Linux.

Feb 07, 05 - 02:44 pm Comment from: mac dood

".......Want a good laugh or confused look from your boss? Suggest they install an XServe or a few iMacs in your next meeting...."

Youre probably correct, here GB.... but only in the fact that your boss would most likely scoff at a suggestion of using XServes, and Macs...
However, this says nothing about the probable reason for his scoffs would be one of ignorance, and not one of informed judgement...

How many "bosses" out there would be expected to know about the superior security, low maintenence, low (long term) operating costs, and the absense of (expensive) malware-related problems associated with using Macs ??

I'd say..not many..

and.. "HEY GUYS" ....
Your post is idiotic ... You ramble... and make no sense !! ... Just because someone says ..."I use both" ... doesnt necessarily mean you may use Macs on a regular basis....
While, you may have played a game on a Mac once... I doubt very seriously you have any knowledge of the current line up and / or OSX ..

If you did ... you would have a different view...

Bottom line, I guess .... the moral of the story would be...

"...... You can always tell a PeeCeer .... but, you just can't tell him much !......"

Feb 07, 05 - 03:06 pm Comment from: Read People...

First, I would like to say that I dislike MS as a company, but...
To all those who think Bill tried to stear clear of OS X, read the full article! The comment right before the quote on MDN, shows that Bill brings up apple as an OS maker. MDN provides a link to the article so you can read and make a judgement for yourself. Please utilize it.
For all those that cannot be bothered to click a link and read a bit, the first mention of apple in the article:

Gates: There are actually a large number of operating systems in addition to Windows, for example, such as OS from Apple or Linux and Unix...

I point this out of love for the Mac community! Lets stop being fanatics and saying crazy things unless we have proof.

Feb 07, 05 - 03:12 pm Comment from: Bizarro Jeff

Heh! When I first saw this and read it, I thought that Gates got his ass handed to him by the Spiegel catalog people. :D

Feb 07, 05 - 03:17 pm Comment from: HAHAHA!

SPIEGEL: When one puts the sentence "Bill Gates is the devil" into the Internet search engine Google, one gets thousands of hits. Does this bother you?

Gates: I have never searched for such a sentence. Plus: if you understand the search engine properly, it doesn't mean that you will find exactly this sentence on these pages.

Google (exact phrase):
http://www.google.com/search?q="Bill+Gates+is+the+devil"&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Results 1 - 50 of about 5,250 for "Bill Gates is the devil"

From Bill's own new search engine (exact phrase):

http://search.msn.com:80/results.aspx?q="Bill+Gates+is+the+devil"&srch_type=0&FORM=QBHP

1-10 of 1,730 containing "Bill Gates is the devil"

Feb 07, 05 - 03:19 pm Comment from: otter

HEY GUYS,

I'm not superior because I use a Mac.

I use a Mac because I'm superior.

You're mixing up cause and effect here.

Feb 07, 05 - 03:22 pm Comment from: freebee

I bet Bill thinks interbreeding is good for the genome.

Feb 07, 05 - 03:28 pm Comment from: Pete

re. BISHOP and dogs - I hope no one here is beating dogs ...

Feb 07, 05 - 04:05 pm Comment from: PCs Rule

Bill Gates is not worried about Mac OSX, he is worried about Linux. You guys don't get it? The Macintosh is irrelevant in the big picture. The Mac may grow to 2%, 3%, 4%, or maybe even 5%, but so what? It will still be 95% to 5%. And, Microsoft can copy OSX, and fix the security issues. There is no rush. Microsoft's total dominance provides them with years and years of time.

This may be upsetting, but it's true.

Feb 07, 05 - 04:13 pm Comment from: MikeG

PCs Rule has a point. OSX has been out for years, and Apple's market share has gone down. As a MAC user that upsets me. Why do people put up with that crap???

Where was the Mac Mini Advertisiment during Super Bowl? When was the last time you saw a Mac Ad?

Feb 07, 05 - 04:14 pm Comment from: DudeMac

Bill Gates must have been sleeping in Biology class when the teacher was giving the "Darwin's Theory" lecture?!

Feb 07, 05 - 04:17 pm Comment from: mac dood

".......Bill Gates is not worried about Mac OSX, he is worried about Linux. You guys don't get it?....."

uhhhh.... he's worried about both !!

For one.... Linux can run on PeeCees... thus, a threat to his "world dominence"...

And secondly, he's worried about Mac OSX, because of its elegance and its bullet-proof immunity to virii, popups, keystroke loggers, spyware, trojans... etc etc etc..... which, preliminary data seems to be showing... is attracting those PeeCeers who have the brains to educate themselves about the alternatives !!

Because, even Billy Gates realizes... a drip can become a trickle, a trickle can become a stream, and a stream can become a raging river !!

"......Microsoft's total dominance provides them with years and years of time...."

And I hope they sit on their laurels, and use all of that time bilking their customers out of their hard earned money, and trying to convince the world that its the various "Governments job to secure their (sadly) insecure Operating System"....

Eventually, even PeeCeers will see through their crap, and switch to the Mac...

Feb 07, 05 - 04:22 pm Comment from: DudeMac

Gates: ... above all because of our global popularity. But we know that. And we must apply still more time and money to it. However, spam or data theft are not questions of the operating system. For this, you also need laws and global standards.

I think last week's MSN Messenger worm problem puts to rest the "popularity" excuse made by Microsoft, since most people use AIM.

http://news.com.com/MSN+Messenger+hit+by+double-whammy+worm/2100-7349_3-5562129.html?tag=nefd.top

Feb 07, 05 - 04:25 pm Comment from: perfusionista

Gates is exactly right. Homogeniety within operating systems is the ideal. Which is why it's better to use OSX UNIX to accesss Linux UNIX and IBM UNIX and all the others. The odd-one-out here is Windows. Follow Bill's advice and get rid of Windows now...

Feb 07, 05 - 04:27 pm Comment from: BuriedCaesar

Another excerpt, just for grins & giggles...:

SPIEGEL: In the past 15 years Microsoft has time and again been a target of lawsuits and court disputes. Your company already was required to pay billions of dollars in penalties. The accusers and cases all have the same complaint: Microsoft continues to pack additional innovations onto the Windows platform at no cost, virtually annihilating competitors in the long-term. Why do you promote this strategy?

Gates: Which strategy? In the software sphere in which we operate, only one thing matters: benefit to the customer. And there were more improvements there than in any other economic sector. You need only look at what Microsoft Office or Windows could do 10 years ago and what these programs cost back then and what possibilities they offer today at what price. The costs are going down; the capabilities are increasing with tremendous speed. We should really wish that all other sectors -- from the automobile industry to politics -- would bring us improvements similar to our sector as far as innovations and revolutions are concerned. The software business is really not one where one can rest on one's laurels.

SPIEGEL: That doesn't answer our question about the company strategy, with which you time and again run up against cartel guards.

Gates: Once someone has purchased Windows they don't bring me any turnover again for a while. I only again earn something when I convince the customer that my product has become much better and more exciting and that its new acquisition is worth the cost. Therefore, we are forced to continuously improve our products. That is also the reason that we probably have the largest research and development budget of all company groups on the planet. We do not do this for fun, although I happily admit that it still is fun.

/excerpt

Just LOVE how he switches back and forth from "I" to "we" in that last paragraph, especially when it comes to earning money... it's fun to run up against cartel guards? Just makes me ILL.

Feb 07, 05 - 04:31 pm Comment from: DudeMac

Gates is exactly right. Homogeniety within operating systems is the ideal. Which is why it's better to use OSX UNIX to accesss Linux UNIX and IBM UNIX and all the others. The odd-one-out here is Windows. Follow Bill's advice and get rid of Windows now...

Very fine point grin

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