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Errr, MDN I think you need to look at your headline!

Right, like a lack of proofreading makes good copy?
Oi.

Beleaguered Microsoft.

I don't think Americans know what the word "inertia" means! They confuse it with "momentum".

Good catch! They WISH they lacked inertia.

I'm pretty sure that on one episode of "Star Trek: Enterprise" I heard Captain Archer say "we'll let our inertia carry us in" (or something like that!).

What means percentages? 35% for Apple is less than 1% for Intel.

inertia

n 1: a disposition to remain inactive or inert; "he had to overcome his inertia and get back to work" [syn: inactiveness, inactivity] [ant: activeness] 2: (physics) the tendency of a body to maintain is state of rest or uniform motion unless acted upon by an external force

Pretty much describes Microstink at this point.

MDN: "If "people are happy enough with what they have" then why does Credit Suisse First Boston expect total Mac units shipping in the fiscal second quarter to rise 35% year-over-year, above the research firm's PC industry growth estimate of 10%?"

Answer: It is current Apple owners (OS9 and earlier) are realizing that their cable or ISP provider wants an OSX connection for DSL, plus the fact that a $499 Mac fits right into the budget of the Mac buyer.
More Apple owners don´t use OSX as do. They want to upgrade - the cheapo mac plus new Tiger will boost sales.
But don´t expect much business to come from the Windows converters. Yeah, there will be some.

AND: Are you really so gullible that you believe some stock broker firm and their research prognostication misinformation? Stock ANALysts are always wrong. If they said the opposite would you believe them?

Yeah, MDN. You don't seem to understand the word "inertia".

Did you guys go to college? Learn to read!

to MDN

Personally, I know several ex-Windows users that have switched to Macs thanks to iMac G5s and Mac minis, despite the fact that the minis have only just started shipping here in the UK. I'm sure a lot of the business is coming from OS9ers upgrading, but from my experience, the amount of Mac users in total is dramatically increasing.

"to MDN" your comment above is not factually correct. Although you are correct in pointing out that many previous Mac owners are upgrading to a Mac mini or iMac G5 to be able to more readily take advantage of modern technologies like cable/DSL, WiFi, Bluetooth, and the iLife apps.

Your line about; "But don´t expect much business to come from the Windows converters. Yeah, there will be some." is way off-base. Of all the Macs I sell now, about 50% are destined for Windows switchers. Many of these consumers actually owned Macs previously way back when in the early nineties. There is a flood of this type of buyer, many of whom have been favorably impressed by their iPod experience and others who are totally fed-up with the nonsense of spyware, viruses, pop-ups and other assorted nuisances associated with Windoze.

Now does that mean Macs will suddenly go above 10% market share, no. But I believe a move from 3% to 6% worldwide in the next 18 months is doable. This may not look that dramatic, but represents a sea-change in buyers' attitudes and will be the opening of the floodgates in subsequent years.

Apple is wildly profitable and the timing of Tiger couldn't be better. At the same time major players (like HP) on the Windows side barely squeak out a token profit from their PC biz. And MS is suffering from a malaise that is surprising from such a previously kick-ass company.

Microsoft is only still moviing because they HAVE inertia (tendency of an object at rest to remain at rest or an object in motion to remain in motion). The engines are off and nobody is at the wheel. Pretty much a train wreck waiting to happen.

Mass is a measure of inertia, momentum = mass * velocity

"The research firm, which maintained a $19 year-end price target for Oracle, said the enterprise software giant's server software remains "several product cycles" ahead of Microsoft. "We believe that investors should also note that over time Microsoft has continued to remove scheduled and widely expected functionality from its soon-to-be-released database"

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/03/16/0316automarketscan08.html

The MS problem is simple - a lot of people just stick with the OS that came with their computer, even if it is 3.1 or 95. If it works why would they want to spend money on another OS that will slow down their computer? They'll get a new OS when they get their next computer - if they DO get another one.

Throw in Linux and OS X, which are additional drags on Windows sales, mix in a virus/worm/spyware or two. Then add the burden of having to be backward compatible.

MS has problems - no wonder the stock is stuck.

"I'm pretty sure that on one episode of "Star Trek: Enterprise" I heard Captain Archer say "we'll let our inertia carry us in" (or something like that!)."

Actually Anon, Captain Archer is technically right. In space the Enterprise could be inert whilst still travelling at a constant warp-speed. Once the initial motivation has accelerated the star ship to a desired speed, the crew could switch the engines off completely and the Enterprise would remain, inert, travelling same speed forever - or until Captain Archer applied further forward or reverse motivation.

sorry, but who cares about Microsoft? If people want to use Windows, let them. As long as Apple is making money, I could give a shit what happens in Redmond.

Twenty Benson - actually I'm pretty sure the Enterprise wasn't travelling at warp when he said it.

"Once the initial motivation has accelerated the star ship to a desired speed, the crew could switch the engines off completely and the Enterprise would remain, inert, travelling same speed forever - or until Captain Archer applied further forward or reverse motivation."

I don't think Star Trek warp engines work this way - if they did, then an enemy shooting at your warp nacelles wouldn't automatically bring you out of warp - which happens quite a lot in Star Trek. Also, they never turn off their engines while under warp - if it were possible I'm sure they would have done it.

Nice try though!

Retail boy: "Of all the Macs I sell now, about 50% are destined for Windows switchers. Many of these consumers actually owned Macs previously way back when in the early nineties."

So they are Mac owners that probably still have their old macs stuck in a closet, switched to PCs (how did Apple lose them?) and now need a replacement. A mac owner.
If a person owns macs and Peecees - is he/she a mac owner or a Pc owner?

"And MS is suffering from a malaise that is surprising from such a previously kick-ass company."
Agreed - Steve Ballmer must go. Gates has to be retired to poster boy.

Anonymous: Single guy...eh? Love that Star Trek. You ever been on a date? You know, the female species with those two bumps on the chestal area. Or in Vulcan speak the female species: "aduna".
Where you would take the "aduna" and, as they say in Klingon, have some "nga'chug" with her.

Whew - there´s one guy with the star trek aluminum hat on just a tad to tight.

Warp me away!!! And stop playing with your nacelles!
Give me full power Scotty!
I´m doing the best I can, captain!

No need to be rude - I only mentioned it because it's mildly amusing when techies (Star Trek writers etc) get obvious things so wrong.

Jeez.

"to Anonymous" can go back to his cave now and scratch his balls.

I don't think it's just Microsoft suffering from a lack of momentum.

The industry is/has matured and with it, comes sense and sensibility. And boredom. <tongue in cheek>It's run by the Wall St. jockeys, who's only life is to be really rich and really, really boring.</tongue removed from cheek>

Where's the excitement? Where's the passion? Where's the innovation?

At least Apple has some new, and if not innovative, at least moderately exciting products for us to get fired up over. Of course, there are others too, but the big corporations like Microsoft, Intel, HP even Dell - basically, the large proportion of the PC side of things, seem to be stuck in the most boring product rut. It's terrible, and I'd be ashamed to be CEO of these companies right now.

Sure, the giants make money, for now, but I sure hope they're doing some decent secret development, because without research and innovation, where will they be in 2-5 years? Still peddling the same crap, only faster and perhaps a little more attractive on Aero? C'mon! That's not innovation!!!

And Intel and HP should know better, considering their backgrounds.

Huh, the magic word is "black". Funny that.

Anonymous: ""to Anonymous" can go back to his cave now and scratch his balls"


Hmmmmmm....Now which episode of Star Trek was that?????

not just staying still.

TO MDN

Having had a cable modem for nearly 7 years cable or ISP providers may officially support OSX for DSL or cable, there's no REQUIREMENT.

As long as a machine could get an address via DHCP it would work and pretty much alwyas has. Ther ehave been some problematicISP's but my parents just got a new DSL line and are stll using OS 9 (they're comfortable with it) No issues involved

In answer to the questions:

Q. how did Apple lose them?

A. Back in the early and mid-nineties Macs (as most of us remember) had big crash issues. We restarted our Macs 3 times a day, that is one reason that no longer exists with OS X. I think Apple lost many customers during that period. There are many people who used PCs at work and decided to do the same at home. Even to this day most Windows users are confused on compatibility issues. IE. they assume that Mac documents are not compatible with Windows documents.

Q. If a person owns macs and Peecees - is he/she a mac owner or a Pc owner?

A. This is actually quite a common circumstance. It is even more common that they are a PC user (at work) and a Mac owner (at home). My take on it is this; what counts is which side is growing faster, that is are more people switching from PCs to Mac or from Macs to PCs. Right at the moment things are clearly going towards the Mac in an overwhelming way (which is why the Mac platform will probably grow around 30% this quarter vs. 10% for the industry as a whole). Another important group are young people who may never have owned their own computer. I am seeing increasing numbers of these first time buyers getting Macs.

Retail Boy,

Is your store selling macs only or PCs too ? What kind of store is it ?
Do you see major changes in terms of market share and in people's minds ? What do people say about Microsoft ?
I'm curious about the switchers. What do they think of Apple now ?
Have you ever seen anyone who went back to Windows after trying OS X ?

A jump in home computer sales for Apple, YES. But why most people think it's not going to happen yet in businesses ?

Businesses are made of people, so when more and more of them are happy with their new Macs at home, they'll talk about it at work and tell their boss about how much more productive and virus-free they are.

Apple is slowly but surely growing its presence in homes, and soon enough businesses.

Anyway...

Inertia is that property of an object that resists changes in momentum -- in other words, it's momentum that keeps an object moving (or not), and inertia that (assuming constant mass) stops it changing velocity.