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Dec 11, 07 - 11:55 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

No surprises here.

Dec 11, 07 - 11:55 am Comment from: feral

Vista blows

Dec 11, 07 - 11:57 am Comment from: Jimbo von Winskinheimer

Vista running 20% slower than XP means that you are having 20% less problems per hour. Maybe that is how Microsoft should advertise it!

Apple better get ready to be able to supply the millions of Macs people will buy soon.

While at it, here is my to-do list for Apple:

Bring back color Macs, like the old iMacs, they were a hit!
Bring back HyperCard... improved!
and get rid of the default paste with style, or make it switchable in Preferences... pleeease!
Redo Dashboard and integrate into the Finder, I never use it the way it is now, either all or none... kinda stupid!

It may be old news by now but Vista may be the best thing (outside of Apple) that happened to Apple's computer business. Out of 6 people that I know and who needed to replace their Windows computers within the last six months 5 decided to buy a Mac (4 MacBooks, 1 MacBook Pro) and only 1 decided to get a Vista.

Dec 11, 07 - 12:19 pm Comment from: iSteve

"Bill Gates joked that Vista was 'the best 6-billion I ever spent,'"

Sure, but he leaves out the fact he spent 6.1 billion on crap from Fingerhut.

Dec 11, 07 - 12:29 pm Comment from: shiftOpt k

surprising, this is not.

Dec 11, 07 - 12:32 pm Comment from: HotinPlaya

I experienced 2 Vista WOW's in one day!

I was leaving St Maarten after a week of work, and stopped by one of my clients to pick up some pictures and documents. She got up from her new Dell lap top, and changed to an older lap top running XP to make the disk for me and print out the papers I needed. She told me nothing works with the new computer and they would never buy another Dell. I agreed she should never buy another Dell but explained it was the Vista on her Dell giving her the problem and told her she could go back to the store and ask them to install XP.

2 hours later in the airport at the check out counter, their entire system went down, they pulled out boxes of the old style hand written tickets and started to process us. Kidding I asked if they wanted to use my MacBook, and the guy next to me chimed in with an offer for his MacBook Pro! The lady behind the desk explained they had installed a new system a week ago, and the whole thing was crashing every few days. They told us when the system (if) was back on line they would call us to the gate to resubmit our hand written stuff into the system and give us normal boarding pass's, or else we would have to go thru ticketing again in Miami for our connecting flights My new Mac buddy and I were having a cocktail when they called our names, when we got to the counter, it was Vista booting up! I have no idea if it was a Vista problem, but we got a kick out of it!

I got a kick out of reading that when I remembered when a lady at a location I was doing Mac IT work at told me that she heard that Vista was "more Mac-like than any other version of Windows."

Goes to show how much she knows…she was using Vista by the way.

Dec 11, 07 - 12:47 pm Comment from: MCCFR

A word of warning: MS consultants who go out and advise on Exchange and Server 2008 implementations are using the opportunity to try and ram Vista down the throats of corporate customers.

One of my colleagues – who shall remain nameless – is currently being subjected to a "feasibility study" which is unfairly skewed seeing as he's testing it on a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo laptop that's stuffed with RAM. If the company he's contracted to actually buys into it, they're OK because they're an company which would hardly struggle to pay for huge, new capital expenditures at this time.

But not every company is an oil company making several million in profit every day: how will they cope when they discover that 80% of their entire estate needs to be replaced in order for Vista to roll out.

VISTA is terrible. Bill Gate would have improved his kama more by giving that 6 billion to the Taliban.

Dec 11, 07 - 12:58 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Reclaimer

She was right! It's very similar to System 7.

Dec 11, 07 - 01:03 pm Comment from: Cubert

@feral,
"Vista blows"

Wow. First a foul-mouthed animated Santa and now pornographic software. Who's running MS these days? Larry Flynt.

And XP sucks. Twin sisters?

Dec 11, 07 - 01:09 pm Comment from: Cubert

MacGuy,
I think Apple totally missed the boat by not making a Dashboard Spaces for Leopard. Completely analogous and would be very useful. You could have a Dashboard space for sports, one for weather stuff, one for reference type widgets, etc. Whatever you wanted.

Dec 11, 07 - 01:12 pm Comment from: madgunde

Vista was a brilliant marketing move. Everyone who buys a new PC with Vista pre-loaded will hate it so much, they will go out and buy a Windows XP license so they can wipe the hard drive and install XP. Sales of XP will skyrocket!

Unfortunately for Microsoft, in 3-5 years when those customers go out and buy their next new computer, they'll be buying Macs.

Dec 11, 07 - 01:15 pm Comment from: Ampar

That's not fair.

Vista should run viruses, trojans, key loggers and other malware at least as fast as XP.

Class action suit?

Dec 11, 07 - 01:26 pm Comment from: Kit-N

"Millions of Vista users are not so lucky."

Have they actually sold "millions?"

Or just shipped that many.

i are you single? Want to date?

Dec 11, 07 - 01:30 pm Comment from: UltraVisitor

@MacGuy

To integrate Dashboard into Finder, I use a widget called Dash it. Once you turn this widget on, you can move widgets onto your desktop by simply dragging them while hiding or revealing Dashboard. It's very useful.

http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Dashboard-Widgets/Webcams/Miscellaneous/Dash-It.shtml

Dec 11, 07 - 01:36 pm Comment from: Buster

V= crappy operating system
I= stupid gadgets
S= dumb color choices
T= dumber windoze users
A= poorly backward compatible

Correct...no correlation of the above was made. Why start now.
Signed:
the MS Vista team

"a lady at a location I was doing Mac IT work at told me that she heard that Vista was 'more Mac-like than any other version of Windows.' "

From her point of view I suppose it was -- because it looks more like it.

With Vista's "Aero" Windows lusers got the compositing and interface stuff that Apple had on OS X a full TEN years ago. (And technology of that quality had already been around on OS X's predecessor NeXT for much longer -- NeXTSTEP had Display PostScript, where OS X has Quartz's PDF engine.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript

Pretty sad to think you can be years late to the party and still dominate the market. You certainly can fool most of the people most of the time.

Dec 11, 07 - 01:45 pm Comment from: Gandalf

Bill Gates joked that Vista was "the best 6-billion I ever spent"

Maybe that should be Bill Gates joked that Vista was.

6 billion: 1.5 billion* paying off companies who sued for their stolen tech, 2.5 billion* to pay for the lawyers (Preston, GATES & Ellis but they changed their name), 0.5 billion* for the launch/promotion (aka kickbacks to buddies) and 0.5 billion* to coders.



*Estimated figures but you get the idea.

The coders were overpaid

Dec 11, 07 - 01:48 pm Comment from: HolyMackerel

Some new PC laptops now come with graphics chips that are Vista compatible, but not XP compatible, so users are losing their ability to 'upgrade' to XP without knowing it.

Take the safe XP option - but a MBP!

The irony is the comment on the original site that hosted the original article.. the third comment down, I swear i have never seen a nose so brown as this third commentator, the guy is delusionally kissing Microsoft asses and doesnt the see the bloody holes in his comment! Thats one brainwashed bloody eejit!

Dec 11, 07 - 02:02 pm Comment from: ken1w

> For the seven years Microsoft spent on Vista, what was it doing?

It was doing the previously announced "Longhorn" project, but that turned out to be too ambitious, so Microsoft copied Apple's "Copland to Mac OS 8/9" move. It started over and slapped Vista together in the last 18 months, making it an unstable resource-hogging less-compatible version of Windows XP.

Windows Vista will be as responsible as anything Apple has done for driving Mac OS X's share toward 20%.

I feel sorry for the people in my law class that have Vista. About half the class are Mac users, the rest are Xp or vista. watching people run Adaware or update their Antivirus just reminds me how nice it is to be able to use those computing cycles for something else. I dont really see how the application switch rolodex function is really useful though. Its more about eye candy than being useful. Linux is making a name for itself and MS should be wary cause I know more people who are looking for alternatives but dont want to let go of their PC hardware.

Dec 11, 07 - 02:30 pm Comment from: ElderNorm

@Holymackaral

"Some new PC laptops now come with graphics chips that are Vista compatible, but not XP compatible, so users are losing their ability to 'upgrade' to XP without knowing it."

Has anyone else heard this? I am surprised that XP could not use a graphics chip unless it was made specifically NOT TO RUN XP.

Anyone? .......Anyone?.......... Beauler??

Dec 11, 07 - 02:39 pm Comment from: Demon

I had a friend who purchased a new laptop from Best Buy, it had Vista on it. After not being able to use it for a few weeks he called me to see if I could make it work for him, after reloading Vista. I sort of got it to work right but, it would crash or come to a crawl so often it was unusable. I recommend he get his money back and I reminded him that I said, "If you want a new PC order one with XP on it, or buy a Mac." After Best Buy gave him a hard time and said that there nothing wrong with Vista, and it's Microsoft best ever OS, it was just him. They then try to sell him Geek Squad services or some such crap, they did in the end give him a refund. He know has a Mac and he loves it and has sworn off Microsoft forever.

Dec 11, 07 - 02:46 pm Comment from: Angelus520

And the giant firm I work for will soon be switching us all to Vista... They were even trumpeting that fact on our internal homepage last week. What a waste.

Dec 11, 07 - 03:02 pm Comment from: Ampar

MacGeek Pro:
"The irony is the comment on the original site that hosted the original article.. the third comment down . . ."

I loved this part:

"As innovative as Apple is and as free as open source is
--Yes, the perception is that Apple is more innovative than Microsoft but I have no idea where this perception comes from. **advertising alert** Is it the fact that Apple produces its own proprietry hardware with a one button mouse? Are they planning for a time when we (d)evolve into a species without an opposable thumb?"

Ah yes, the one button mouse chestnut. Therefore, Vista must be better? Some angry astroturfing there.

Dec 11, 07 - 03:02 pm Comment from: Rainer

@Angelus520:

That would really make me think hard about changing jobs.
For the past years, I've been able to avoid Windows almost completely. Currently, I use it to change my password every 3 months and run the bloody VMWare Virtual Infrastructure Client in a VMware'd XP session.
I don't think I could go back to it and still have enough fun on the job to drag me out of bed in the morning...

"Apple better get ready to be able to supply the millions of Macs people will buy soon."

I love my Mac but if you already shelled out the cash for a Vista machine you don't want to turn around and spend more money on a new computer when the one you have would make a nice Ubuntu machine.

Dec 11, 07 - 06:54 pm Comment from: Mac4lfe

@ anti-creative cretin

Ha Ha Ha HA HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL.

Someone should make that video.

Bahahahahahahahahahaha!

That is all...

Dec 11, 07 - 07:39 pm Comment from: Sky

Well, someone called that third poster to the carpet regarding false claims about Apple not offering a two-button mouse. Then he responded that he's never seen a multibutton mouse from Apple. That about sums up his credibility. A five-second search on Google provides this Wiki entry:

"The Apple Mighty Mouse is a multi-button USB mouse manufactured and sold by Apple Inc. It was announced and sold for the first time on August 2, 2005. Prior to the Mighty Mouse, Apple had sold only one-button mice with its computers, beginning with the Apple Lisa 22 years earlier."

The poor guy's been mouse-challenged for nearly three years, and he probably doesn't realize that Apple started selling mice back around 1983.

Sky

Dec 12, 07 - 12:22 am Comment from: Ferf Muckmeyer

The bottom line is that Microsoft has failed, and lemmings out there are still buying PCs thinking that is the only way to go. They'll soon find out about the crap OS they have on their new PCs. I have not found one soul who remotely likes Vista. However, everyone seems intrigued by my MacBook Pro. I take it everywhere, but I develop on Windows (XP!) because I have to, using vmware Fusion. But everything else I do is in OS X. No viruses, easy to use and navigate, and overall a great experience.

The guy that said "Vista blows" is correct, but what should be said is "MS blew it". Yes, they shot themselves in the foot. As far as 98 or Me being worse, I disagree. Those were disasters for sure, but given the length of time it has taken and dollars spent to get Vista to market, those OSes pale in comparison to the train wreck Vista is.

Went to several Apple stores over the holiday season across the country (I travel a lot) and every one of them, big or small, were packed solid. And not everyone was buying iPods or iPhones. A lot of Macs left these stores. A lot. People are just fed up with Microsoft. The tide is not just turning - it has turned and is at full steam ahead.

@Ferf Muckmeyer

Amen