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Jan 01, 08 - 02:06 am Comment from: R

Certainly, good news. And, things keep getting better. 2008 will be very strong.

Jan 01, 08 - 02:08 am Comment from: 84 Mac Guy

The tsunami is coming. You can see the top of the wave approaching shore. By the time MS creates the next version of Windows in 6 years, they will have less market share than Apple. How sad? We all need to shed a tear.

I would guess that ol' Zune Tang and Thurrott will have to change their figures from 3% to 7.3%...
MW: Suddenly

How do they mean all time high? I remember when they had 12% of the market, in 94 or 95. Or do they mean OS X?

the key number for Macs is intel macs --- 3.5. Going to 4 from npv to December

Interesting. Vista is at just 10%. It's quite plausible that MacOS will overtake it if things keep to their trends. That ought to be a lot of fun, should it happen.

Jan 01, 08 - 02:56 am Comment from: DLMeyer

Joel has a good point. This survey should tend to favor Enterprise browsers, yet the year-old Vista has less than three times the hits of OSX-on-Intel. Too bad they don't break that down Tiger vs Leopard! It would be sweet to see the year-old vs the quarter-old results.
Dave

Jan 01, 08 - 03:04 am Comment from: Ampar

Windows must die.

Sent from my iPhone.

Almost doubled in two years! Wow!

Jan 01, 08 - 04:25 am Comment from: Brau

When I bought into OSX back in 2001, I did so despite worries that Apple might collapse having just over 2% share at that time and had been falling for years. Some said OSX might alienate the OS9 faithful and be Apple's kiss of death. So to me each uptick is damn good news! Very reassuring. Even if Apple never achieved any more share (which they will), this percentage alone shows Apple is guaranteed to be a viable competitor for another decade at least.

I am curious: I see the iPhone, and Windows CE, but where is Blackberry?

That's going to be something like 15 % in a year from now... Software and web developers can't ignore us now!

Jan 01, 08 - 08:33 am Comment from: ron

@YS Software and web developers can't ignore us now!

They can, but they won't.

Jan 01, 08 - 09:08 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

This changes nothing. The reason MACs appear to be at 7% is that the 3% of MACs out there are being recorded two or three times. The IT guys where I work tell me MACs have a history of crashing which tells me these machines are probably on a website, crash, then go back to the website after a restart so they're counted twice. As usual the MAC sheep are falling for lies and poorly researched data to support their dying platform. Give it up already. Microsoft won, Apple lost.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Jan 01, 08 - 09:34 am Comment from: vulcan33

Zunetang - Is that all you got? So weak, then again you are using a PC + Zune..... Hows that social thing going for you? And you thought it would be a babe magnet......hehe!

Jan 01, 08 - 09:48 am Comment from: ron

ZT - Squirt me.

Jan 01, 08 - 09:49 am Comment from: shen

i am pretty sure the linux numbers are not representative, and as the MDN take says it is the trend that matters....

....still, it will be interesting to see the day the iPhone has more users than linux!

Jan 01, 08 - 09:57 am Comment from: Jamie

Windows MUST die. Sent from my iPod touch.

The stats are all a lot of unreliable nonsense.

Read this link for a more technical explanation of why:-

http://www.goldmark.org/netrants/webstats/

Cheers

Jan 01, 08 - 10:19 am Comment from: Avoman

What interests me with these statistics is Linux at 0.63% compared to iPhone at 0.12%. Looking at the trends, iPhone may soon catch and pass Linux!

**Public Service Announcement**

Zune Tang = satire.

macromancer .... we get it .... but Zune has just become repetitive and boring ... no need for a PSA .... maybe a need for new material for Zune ...

Jan 01, 08 - 10:58 am Comment from: LorD1776

You'd think that Zune Tang would be tired of it by now. But apparently he is not. Allow him his fun. It's interesting sometimes to see some people's reactions to him.

Just remember, some day Zune Tang will end. And every once in a while someone will post "Hey, I wonder what ever happened to old Zune Tang, that wild and crazy troublemaker. I miss him."

And then we will all reminisce over all of the whacky comments Zuny used to make. Like others who have come and gone here, he will be missed and fondly remembered. We love ya man.

Definitely, not surprising. Apple is very strong.

Certainly the scale will beginning to tip in 2008;
as more of the world sees Apple as quality devices, with easy of use, that offer a customers the difference, elegant solutions to design in and out -- making it the better choice.

Yes, the tsunami of Apple is building momentum.

What would have been NICE to see...

the break down of Windows in that pie chart.

Though spelt out... a detailed chart with XP, Vista, ME, and all the variants of Pocket PC, telephony baloney Windows CE or whatever.

I would have loved to see iPhone 0.12% verses the others.
And I do see Windows CE at 0.06%


I understood JOBS hoping to achieve 1% world cellular market share... by 2008 or end of.

Apple has a HELL of a lot to do if this chart reflects the same type of stats Apple hopes for.

Happy still. HNY!

I have always kept this in perspective.

thx

Jan 01, 08 - 11:20 am Comment from: Fred Mertz

Dougless,

Wow, are you confused!

Apple's iPhone took 1% of Q3 07 worldwide smartphone market in its first 36 hours.

Furthermore, iPhone already has 27% of the U.S. smartphone market.

Jobs' goal is/was 1% of the worldwide smartphone market in UNIT SALES (10 million devices in 2008). That goal has nothing whatsoever to do with hitting 1% of Net Apps' measure of devices browsing to their collection of websites.

Jan 01, 08 - 11:52 am Comment from: DLMeyer

Bob, what new material is available? OK, he missed that there are many times as many Mac users (as a percentage) using Firefox than there are Windows users - even though the total Firefox-Windows users outnumber the total non-Windows-Firefox users. This suggests a couple of possibilities, one of which is "Safari sux". He can ignore: "Mac users are better at adding third-party wares to their systems", or "Macs are less hostile to third-party wares than Windows systems", or "Mac users have less to FEAR from downloading and installing third-party wares on their systems".
There will be little new "material" until MWSF, when (if we are lucky) there will be a tablet or even smaller portable Mac to "chide".
shen, the Linux numbers are what they are based on who is browsing the web and what platform they are using. Who uses a Linux desktop? Geeks! Who spends their life browsing Enterprise web sites? Suits! Linux is a fine, capable, OS ... IF you have the chops and temperment to keep it up-to-date and properly configured. With OSX you don't need the chops or the temperment to keep your Mac as up-to-date as you would have it - if you don't care, it doesn't matter (that much).
fenman, interesting comment ... but not precisely true. My wife's Podcast host gets by much of that and tracks "individual visitors" and "individual subscribers" ... to her page and who just download. By the day and by the week. And there are many return visits.
PCiDolt, we have a couple of things happening here. You are certainly right about Mac's market share being nearly double what it's been this past year - last century. You should consider, though, that a) more Macs have been sold this year than in any previous year and b) Macs (and their software) now make up the largest part of Apple's revenues while the rest of the company is still worth more than what the entire company was worth any time in that century. Both Apple and Macs are increasing their market presence in markets that are growing! Dell, by comparison, shipped more systems last year than the previous year and still lost market share. And, of course, there's still the thing where Macs have a longer expected useful life than "comparable" PCs - you need to sell two "PCs" to maintain user share vs Macs.
Dave

Jan 01, 08 - 11:58 am Comment from: Too Hot!

Question: How long has the PSP been out and browsing the internet? How long has the iPod Touch been out?
Both have 0.02% share. Amazing!

Jan 01, 08 - 12:02 pm Comment from: DogGone

@Fred - that was 1% of the total mobile market. There was no way 1 billion smart phones were sold last year. In fact if they sold 5M (recent estimate) and captured 27% of the smart phone market, then that equals ~ 20M phones at most for smart phones.

Even so, Apple selling 5M in 6 months will be impressive. The smart phone market is definitely growing and Apple are well positioned to dominate this market in the future. I think Apple can sell 20M this year if they open up to more countries.

The Mac stats are exciting. Good news for shareholders. Still I doubt that we will overtake Vista simply because PC sales still outstrip Macs 10:1 and the majority of PCs will have Vista installed by default. What is interesting is that non-bundled Vista sales are sucking. That's got to be hurting M$'s bottom line.

Jan 01, 08 - 12:05 pm Comment from: Too Hot!

I wonder why the Mac OS is broken by platform not by OS version as is the case with Windows. It would be interesting if we could get stats on the different versions of Mac OS. Has 10.5 achieved a substantial market share? Does it account for the recent increases in the share?

What's Pike and Hiptop?

Jan 01, 08 - 12:58 pm Comment from: LorD1776

KenC,

Hiptop:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiptop_Included_Software

Pike:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_(programming_language)

Not sure if this is correct or not.

Win CE is half of iPhone, I can see low flying chairs in Redmond.
Sent from my iPhone.

Jan 01, 08 - 02:08 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Happy still. HNY!"

Hot nude yoga?

(j/k)

LorD, thanks, I did go to Wiki after posting my question.

I thought Zune Tang's New Year's resolution was to expend all his efforts towards getting to feel the touch of a woman -- not his relative -- for the first time? How is he going to accomplish that goal when he is still spending all his spare time focusing on making his infantile and repetitive posts on MacDailyNews?

Bottom line is this: who cares what however many others are using whichever OS. Be happy you discovered and get to use OSX...

It's amazing though how many people are terrified of losing their 'windoze' blankie- they cling to it for grim death, despite it smelling like crap, being three sizes too small, too thin and threadbare to really functioin that well as a blankie anyway. They finally see OSX in action and their eyes light up and then the questions start: epiphany time! Converting the masses is a slow process but I feel the gathering momentum. I believe.

Look at it like this: competition brings innovation (well from one competitor anyway) and mimicry. So we can only benefit as users. Microsh*t has kept the world held by at least 10-15 years. Now Apple is ascendent so they have to lift their game (by a huge amount) because Apple keeps raising the bar and delivering quality products that are gaining serious traction in the marketplace. All hail the halo effect. This means we're starting to see the products we should have had ten or more years ago- which can only be good for us, not microsh*t.

Jan 01, 08 - 03:52 pm Comment from: ZuneTang

Wait, don't be deceived by that fake Zune Tang, who stole my name before I could register on this site. You MAC lemmings just don't get it; you cannot even discern the Real® ZuneTang.

Maybe it's because you spend all your time restarting your crashed Imacs and Iphones... And, I do not have to always say, "Your potential. Our passion.™" like the fake® ZT does. I have that much confidence in my Dell running XP or Vista that I don't have to defend it so much on this MAC site...

Jan 01, 08 - 04:11 pm Comment from: ken1w

> How do they mean all time high? I remember when they had 12% of the market, in 94 or 95.

@PCiDolt

Net Applications was not doing such measurements in the 90's. It's the all-time high for Mac OS in this stat, not the all-time high for Mac OS market share. And like MDN says, it's the trend that's important, not the actual numbers.

iPhone will pass Linux soon...

Jan 01, 08 - 05:40 pm Comment from: Tommy Boy

Thankfully I have multiple email addys so I could register all normal permutations of my handle.

Jan 01, 08 - 07:36 pm Comment from: Cubert

The most impressive trend is that BOTH OS X and Linux are growing at the expense of Windoze.

DLMeyer and : ken1w ,

Thanks, that cleared it up. Since statistics can be reported any way someone once to, it helps to know what they are based on.

"Figures don't lie, but liars always figure."

Single digits here, folks. Message is clear: the world still doesn't take Steve seriously because of all his toys and hobbies.

Until the commitment is made to run away with the personal computer technology - both hard and software - something that is clearly possible but not practiced at Cupertino - it won't ever change more than a little.

Simply being better than the worst will never seriously threaten the MS hold on the world.

Watch what happens in a couple of weeks. We'll see new version for the phone, we'll see 'breakthrough' in Apple TV via movie downloads galore, we'll finally see decent screen resolution for the Touch (like the phone), we'll see a skinny laptop like Dell and HP and Sony have been offering for many years, and we'll see some minor tweak to MacPro.

Wonder if we'll see an admission of the total failure of all-gloss-all-the-time iMac and announcement of a non-gloss alternative? Apple Arrogance says no, in spite of the outraged iMac faithful.

Result: this time next year we'll be celebrating another single digit market share for the Macintosh.

Yet the PSP has sold more than 25 million units. Maybe that means that the iPhone has sold more than 150 million units so far, now that’s AMAZING!!!!

Could it be that trying to make an inference from a figure of 0.02% is a bad idea?

Jan 01, 08 - 11:08 pm Comment from: R

Peterson, you forgot your own personal diatribe. I kind of remember you going on and on about how hard it was to own Apple products because they didn't treat you right. They hurt your feelings or something, right? Apple makes me cry, too, with its single digit market share. What are they thinking being a $170 billion company? Don't they know they're meaningless? I mean... really. Some nerve.

C'mon, let it out. Let's talk about it again.

There is good news and bad news about this.

First at this rate by this time next year Apple will still have less than 10% market share. BUT By this time in 10 years Apple will have a 25% market share. And that is accounting for exponential growth.

Could have been 8% if there was a matte screen iMac

Yep, I'm in charge of ordering computers. Was sold on Apple, until the glossy only screen iMac's came out.

A order for 154,000 iMac's, but the company won't change the lighting in 30 different buildings, or have employees huddling behind glare covers, or even buy messy glare screens and the pay for the labor to install them.

What is even worse, is Apple showed the DANGER of a hardware/OS lock-in.

STUPID APPLE.

MDN:

If Apple's OS X share of web visits increased by nearly 100% in two years and assuming that this trend will continue, what are the expected shares of OS X visits for December 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011? Would you please post these estimates?

I finally am using Safari-wow, the web is very annoying with this browser.
All these ads blinking, scrolling text crap, and just plain crappy ads.
I am going back to firefox.