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The main thing is that the abomination that is Internet Explorer is killed slowly but surely.
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Jan 01, 08 - 03:47 am Comment from: DLMeyer

Word is that IE8 will have most of the features we know and love in Safari ... and Firefox. Safari 2, that is. Why, I've even heard that the latest beta does the Acid2 test properly! So ... if you really love IE, all you have to do is wait a year or two and pray that Safari and Firefox don't do something - like ... get even better? - and you'll be on top again.
Yeah ... like THAT will happen.
Dave

That's amazing considering how much Safari sucks compared to Firefox.

Safari is better than Firefox on the Mac. It's faster, and definitely more attractive. Firefox for Windows, however, beats the pants off of IE.

Jan 01, 08 - 05:16 am Comment from: Reality Check

When is the world going to stop getting excited about browsers? To be honest, I barely notice the difference between browsers - it's the content I'm interested in. Acid test is nice for browser pissing contests - but says nothing about how good a browser is for rendering the web sites out there - most of which aren't properly compliant anyway. In that regard, Safari still hits sites which it can't render correctly, where Opera, Firefox or IE will work. The fact that that is due to non- WC3 compliant extensions rather than faults in Safari does nothing to ease my browsing frustrations. That said, Safari is my browser of choice and I only fire up one of the others when Safari trips up. And at least it doesn't memory-leak any more.

Jan 01, 08 - 07:17 am Comment from: Big Al

Yes, poorly designed sites are the fault of a standards compliant browser.

Nothing wrong with that picture.

Jan 01, 08 - 08:47 am Comment from: Ampar

Hopefully, the 1.1.3 update will fix the iPhone's Safari browser from crashing frequently.

And yet, some "powers that be" are sticking with the crippled nag that is IE. A year or two back, I needed a waiver to sanction the installation of Firefox on our Windows servers rather than the approved IE. That waiver was *denied*. They will only sanction what they can control through group policies. Since they couldn't exercise such controlt with Firefox, it's prohibited on all Windows platforms.

Jan 01, 08 - 11:08 am Comment from: silverhawk

Safari 3 with OS 10.4.11 is horrible. It frequently locks up needing a reboot. I miss the old days of 10.4.10 and Safari 2. No problems with those two.

Jan 01, 08 - 11:27 am Comment from: Brandon Petersen

If you have problems with Safari crashing, try some of the webkit nightly builds.

webkit.org

Jan 01, 08 - 11:36 am Comment from: Ampar

"webkit.org"

Good idea. Except for the iPhone.

Jan 01, 08 - 11:36 am Comment from: Ampar

P.S. And iPod Touch

But I fear this isn't good.
FireFox is now OWNED by MacroSloth.

So Apple users STOP using it - OK
I could care not how many plug-ins and stuff it offers.

Safari still is faster.
And we want Safari to OUT PACE FireFox.

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What would be nice here - is to see
MAC users of FireFox vs Windows users of FireFox

and also

Windows uses of Safari

plus a break down of Opera on both platforms too.


This way we can see the Numbers of
Mac users surfing the NET with whatever they use.

Eventually getting them to CONVERT back to Safari v4.


Dougless

@Reality Check

For most the world, the application used by a computer is not
MacroSloths' Office for the business.

For most people, a COMPUTER is a communications device, where a BROWSER it the MAIN application.

With MS controlling the networks and junking it up with one side MS crappy coding and locked in shzit...

CONSUMERS should be SCREAM over all that and the FILM and MUSIC industry also SHOULD release this too.

MS is choking all of us... and they KNOW it - they played the internet browsers war with BRILLIANCE yet Apple was on to them at get start.

BROWSER and the WAR on them ARE VERY VERY important.

BUT you know this...



So - think about FireFox being owned by MS.

THINK carefully.



I will not use it. It feels chunky, And I thx Apple each day for Safari.

Jan 01, 08 - 12:46 pm Comment from: DogGone

Firefox is a good program. I use it at work on a PC as the main browser and Safari as secondary. On the macs at home I use Safari almost exclusively, except for Firefox to connect to my work email which Safari ask for a password for every page.

IE went down 4% in a year. At that rate it will be 5 years to sink to 50%. Are there enough smart PC users there to switch to Firefox or Safari? Or will increasing Mac share accelerate the decline?

Jan 01, 08 - 12:50 pm Comment from: Too Hot!

This time around, I think these stats actually include both the Safari for windows and for iPod/iPod Touch.

Interesting, as the iPhone has broken the 0.1 milestone in the OS market share (0.12 to be precise). It is not clear whether this 0.12 excludes iPod Touch. Probably includes it.

Jan 01, 08 - 12:52 pm Comment from: Too Hot!

Sory, just found out that iPod comprises 0.02% share, separate from iPhone's 0.12%

Jan 01, 08 - 12:53 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

"For most people, a COMPUTER is a communications device, where a BROWSER it the MAIN application."

Many people call their browser "The Internet". My parents do. They have no clue that IE 5 on their old OS 9 iMac is any different from Safari on their new 20" silver iMac. They would not understand the difference, even if I had charts and maps and hand puppets to explain it to them.

Jan 01, 08 - 12:53 pm Comment from: HotinPlaya

@Interesting FireFox

Fire Fox is owned by MS ??

Is that true, and for how long??

Since 2006...duh where u been?

http://www.msfirefox.com/

Jan 01, 08 - 01:36 pm Comment from: El Guapo

@ChrissyOne

Hand puppets? Hilarious! I regularly teach (or try to teach) adults computer and Internet basics and I am amazed at how little they understand of the many things that I take for granted (or is it "granite"?).

If you get that "hand puppet" thing working, let me know. I may have to use it.

Jan 01, 08 - 01:46 pm Comment from: Too Hot!

That MSFIREFOX website is positively hilarious! Brilliant!

Parody comes of age!

Jan 01, 08 - 07:06 pm Comment from: Zuno the Clown

The line on MSFirefox about 90% of windows not rendering being a feature, not a bug, just made me dirty my screen.

Oh well, off to the kitchen for a cleanup and back to the Rose Bowl.

Jan 01, 08 - 09:36 pm Comment from: Fuzz504

Speaking of:

My wife is a recent "convert" to OSX (finally). She tried to use Snapfish.com and was blocked from using certain features of the service due to her utilizing Safari as a web browser. She was asked to use IE instead. Are you kidding me? Can you say: lost customer???

safari sucks.
it's cookie handling is substandard-accept all or nothing. the view porn without leaving incriminating evidence on your system feature is interesting.

firefox is faster, the new beta has a really slick OS X theme and it has better cookie handling.

Wow, almost 6%! That's laughable Apple fanboys.

"Can you say: lost customer???"

Sure, pity for Apple, but at least she can load Windows on that new Mac and get Snapfish working again..

Jan 02, 08 - 01:08 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

OK, the MSFirefox site is a hoax and the Firefox site still claims to be owned by Mozilla. The Mozilla site claims to be a "community project", "open source", and governed by "Creative Commons".
So.
How about citing a "source" that can be trusted?
I'm not precisely calling anyone a liar, here. Just expressing my extreme cynicism regarding this "fact".
nekogami13, my version of Safari - and I've had them all - has THREE choices regarding cookies. "Only to sites you navigate to" has been my choice for years. Sure, it would be nice to be able to block certain cookie-requests ... for that 0.1% of users who both know and care about such things. "Private Browsing" takes care of most of that, though, so why bother!
Dave