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يادداشت هاي شخصي احمدي نژاد

Very good.

Now they will use the Apple to blow us up and use the screen grating to slit our throats.

That's ARABIC for first post.

هذا العربي

Macintosh in Arabic = ماكنتوش

Love the headline: "New Apple Mac Pro launched in Mideast"... Since when is the mideast = the Middle East. Beautiful....

I don't know why anyone would care about this. Who really cares about the middle east. Bring our troops home, let those crazy people figure themselves out.

From Mac OS X's included Oxford Dictionary:

Mideast: "U.S. term for Middle East."

Highlight "Mideast" and right-click (control-click) it and choose "Look Up in Dictionary."

Prices are unfortunately high .. on par with UK prices I would say .. and we have no high cost of living or taxes here, so makes you wonder why

Steve,

Its people like you who make the world a better place... just assuming that all individuals from the middle east region are out to kill eveyone else. Im disgusted by your comments.

Those look like chicken scratches to me...heh heh.

There are outside words and inside words. These are my inside words gettin' out.

Gobble Gobble

who cares-not to start a political comentary, but, those crazy people do not want to figure anything out. they want to kill us because we are not them. while i do not agree that the deployment of our troops to fight this asymetric war (sending an ghetto gang might be more effective), i do subscribe to the theory that if you leave them alone to plan their next attack, we can expect the train stations, financial & cultural icons here to start exploding soon and often. while our troops deployed in iraq are providing a convenient american target for the extremists to attack (and the media provides them a powerful political stage, it is at least reducing the risk to millions of americans at home. i respect everyone's right to disagree and protest the war, but i also respect much more anyone who offers an intelligent alternative.

this is not viet nam. there were no communists planning to blow up the golden gate. the only parallel i can make is the soviet nuclear threat of the cold war. while there we protests about nuclear weapons, they were about at the level of peta protests. our security was a dominant concern. the theory of mass mutual destruction was our iraq war back then. you, joe public, generally supported the strategy because it was cheaper for you than building a bomb shelter. the majority of the population has to get to an equivalent threat education level to put iraq in the proper perspective. don't see this as any different than the cold war from a threat perspective. we just are behind it the same way.

trying to get back on topic, the fundamentalists are fighting against the influence of western culture on their lifestyle. so opening a mcdonalds is just as much an invasion as sending in the 1st cav. their use of western technology to spread propaganda and incite jihad volunteers is justified in their minds because their are using it as a weapon not a cultural pillar. our ultimate weapon is to create viable "western" economies to change the culture of rich powerful families, supporting a religion that conveniently tolerates and sanctifies their existence keeping 90% of their population deperately poor.

personally i'm not sure the sociological infrastructure exists in the middle east to support a "western" economy that creates a dominant middle class today. when bush says this will be a long war, he means it ain't over until this happens. not saying there is not a desire to be middle class, but that the fear and stigma of the middle class being "western" is a real barrier. using technology, like the macpro to create content and run a small business, is on the path to create a middle class, but there is a long way to go.

mw: industry....the middle east needs more industry and less fear and hate.

hey! Who Cares

Your ignorance is showing.

The Middle East comprises of millions of people, and just like the US there are crazy people and average folks who seem powerless to correct the wrongs of a few.

Once we start thinking more like one world and not territorialized we'll beginning to sort out our problems. Taking sides has always lead to conflict.

One World Bubba, in the beginning there were no boundaries and they were just one of us.

Now go ahead and take sides to this argument and watch conflict arise.

Now they will use the Apple to blow us up and use the screen grating to slit our throats.

No need to, apparently - your own paranoia will already have scared you to death long before that...!

Hey Mackie and One World - My ignorance is NOT showing and YOURS IS! Have you seen what these people are doing over there? Open your GD eye holes and look at the real picture. Nothing good is going to come from over there, nothing. Lets come home and protect ourselves and save billions doing it. Can you imagine if we spent all that money on our own and not on a worthless cause? Get the HELL out of the "middle east" and leave them to themselves. If they want to join the civilized world then they can. Or they can stay the way they are and have been for the last 1500 years, losers. We will never force those damn idiots to do anything not even over the next 100 years. It comes down to freedom and they just don't GET IT!

The problem in the Middle East is not just a few "crazy people." The main problem is most of the "average folks," who respond positively to tribal/Arab/religious triumphalism. In addition, like most defective societies, they insist on blaming outsiders for their own problems, ensuring that these are not corrected. Western societies embraces public self-criticism, while the Middle East does not.

It is very sad that mac users claim that they are (open minded) and then i read a very prejudice comments from most of them on a topic like this..

You are not more open minded than any PC user ... or any computer illiterate ..

You are not any better than Bush ... or Blair .. ( if his name is spelled right ) ..

We forgive you only because we know how prejudice and biased the media around you is ... and most of you are eating it ...

forgive my poor english .. it is just like your poor understanding ..

( open your mind ) ...

Apple?
Isn´t the Apple of the religious symbols of the non-Muslim religion Christianity???!!!?? As in Eve bit into the Apple in the Garden of Eden...

No Muslim will buy a product promoting the religion of the heathen dog infidel Christians!

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

HEY JB

I bet 40% of the wacos from the mideast would careless it your throat was cut


STOP BEING A NIEVE LIBERAL YOU FOOL!!!

Use the Mac Pro as a blast shield whilst at work.

Maybe now with the Mac OS, the extremists won't be so angry all the time.

PS: The arab world missed out on WWII, and now have to learn things that western civ has already dealt with -- peace through democracy.

The mideast is a worthless part of the world. They bring death and destruction to the world. All because of their EVIL god. 5% do the evil work. 50% agree with it and smile at the death and destruction of others. So what is that 50% worth-- 5-10 billion people?? Liberals are just plain clueless to true evil.

Who Cares? -- You have serious problems.

It is never okay to paint an entire people with a single brusque remark.

It may be best for us to leave Iraq soon, but mostly because we've fcked up their country quite enough. How would you feel if Iraqi soldiers had been occupying your neighborhood for the past three years?

Get a grip. There are decent, law abiding Arabs who would like computers to surf the internet, make videos, listen to music and generally make life enjoyable.

Don't begrudge them.

it would be sweet if Macs and OS X would solve all our problems over there. we could iChat AV with them and work it all out

Maybe they will all become Mac zealots instead of religious zealots and they won't have to tortured by Bush.

ping,

you're quite right.

What you're saying basically - if I may paraphrase - is that there are a few really sick people posting here ...

... like 'steve' and 'Who Cares'

It amazes (and shames) me that there are such petty-minded, prejudiced people in the Apple community.

P.S.

Bush is the only American president in history who has sanctified torture.

Hey, let´s comment:

"Nothing good is going to come from over there, nothing"

> yeah, like Steve Jobs´ Dad for example Or the oil you got in your truck.


"I bet 40% of the wacos from the mideast would careless it your throat was cut"

> I bet you wouldn´t care if your neighbours throats were cut - especially if you don´t know them. You would be scared for one month or less. Sad fact.


"the arab world missed out on WWII, and now have to learn things that western civ has already dealt with -- peace through democracy."

> wait. everyone who missed out on WORLD war II doesn´t know a cent on democracy? Like - hmm - Switzerland?????? You don´t really think so, do you?


"The mideast is a worthless part of the world. They bring death and destruction to the world. All because of their EVIL god. 5% do the evil work. 50% agree with it and smile at the death and destruction of others. So what is that 50% worth-- 5-10 billion people?? "

> yeah. like the US of A killing approx 43000 people in Iraq alone is not evil. America has invaded Iraq without the worlds (UN for example) approval. America brings war in and they defend themselves. poor evil people.


"Liberals are just plain clueless to true evil."

> best one. Republicans are. ^^

Hey Shogun, Go fall on your sword. I am pissed off and have had enough of these "middle east" idiots.
Hey Kreuzberg, You are an even bigger idiot. While I don't agree with some of the things Pres Bush is doing I support him 100%. Why are people so eager to attack our own Pres when you have all of these other leaders in the world that are just plain evil. I don't understand you liberal idiots. You are all GD IDIOTS!

Kreuzberg: "Bush is the only American president in history who has sanctified torture."

Sanctify:
1 : to set apart to a sacred purpose or to religious use : CONSECRATE
2 : to free from sin : PURIFY
3 a : to impart or impute sacredness, inviolability, or respect to b : to give moral or social sanction to
4 : to make productive of holiness or piety <observe the day of the sabbath, to sanctify it -- Deuteronomy 5:12(Douay Version)>

Yes, Kreuzberg, you are an idiot. Want me to look that up for you, too?
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Kreuzberg, I dare you to walk down any street in an Muslim country (Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) and start reading the Bible.
Take off the left wing, "hate Bush" glasses and see the real world.
Oh yeah, and Bush is not running for President again.

Webster, I dare you to walk through small towns in texas being black. Or wearing a beard and a turban.

What do you think is gonna happen to you wearing a swastika in Israel? Do you think they will ask you if you wear it by religious means? If you are hindu? I don´t think so. It has become a political symbol.
And obviously, for some people, wearing the crux or reading the bible is a symbol, an offense. But do you really think being american (esp. looking like one) wouldn´t endanger you far more in arabian countries? But why? As much as people above stated "leave them on their own, they are not civilized", muslims must have the right to say so too. We don´t understand / know their religion, their hierarchy, their lifes. And some of us even don´t accept all of this. Why should muslims do so?

"Why are people so eager to attack our own Pres when you have all of these other leaders in the world that are just plain evil."

> Because NOT being "officially" plain evil (though 60 % of the worlds population might think so of pres bush) makes you a good leader. And when people elect leaders, they have not only the right, but also the duty to attack them, when they do shit. like:
--- if YOU don´t have a clean household, don´t tell ME how to clean things up ---

MW: lines. like - in the line(s) of fire

wow, originally wanted to say something positive about these news. But I somewhat lost my appetite.

I still find the evolution of things somewhat frightening, especially when I run into U.S citizens who almost always start a conversation by excusing themselves...for being Americans.

Personally, I've spent lot of time in Dubai, Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Kuwait since my company has lots of clients in the region. Being a western European, I always find it amazing how well educated the people in the region are. They're mostly pretty fluent in 2-3 languages, they know lots about foreign politics and, well, they really enjoy spending time with us, the foreigners visiting them. They love discussing and explaining everything we would like to know about their culture.

I just wish some of you people, the ones who seem to believe that Arabs are born killing-machines with the priority to kill all cute americans, to encounter some of the people I've met. Even though the white man has peed on their culture and treated their people with enormous amounts of disrespect through ages - they will most likely smile and ask you if you want arabic coffee or maybe even a nice Shisha.

They PEED on my culture. I don't want to become a muslum!! They will kill all of us if we don't covert to islam. I have yet to see the hindu religion cut peoples throats.


Who the hell thinks the people here vote for bush because they think the mideast is full of religious
mass murders I am a democrat that sees what is coming. Just look at all the anger when the Pope made a comment from a person hundreds of years ago. They killed a nun and millions freaked out.

comment:

From: Kate

Sep 30, 06 - 12:36 pm

The problem in the Middle East is not just a few "crazy people." The main problem is most of the "average folks," who respond positively to tribal/Arab/religious triumphalism. In addition, like most defective societies, they insist on blaming outsiders for their own problems, ensuring that these are not corrected. Western societies embraces public self-criticism, while the Middle East does not.

I wonder if they will declare a jihad against the Zune?

Why isn't anyone talking about the elephant in the room? The real problem here is religion itself. Fundamentalists killing because of some scribblings in some ancient book. That goes for religion in the middle east and america.

James,

Islam had about 500 years less to evolve compared to christianity. 500 years ago, If you would have criticized God, The Pope or what not mentioned in the Old or New Testament - you would've ended up losing your life under very unpleasant circumstances. If some external race would've invaded the christian community 500 years back, claiming their superior religion or culture, I'm sure the christians wouldn't have been acting like "gee, thanks!".

This thread has become too heated. Can't we all just love one another? I love all of my fellow humans. What we need to look out for are those damn apes! Damn dirty apes!!

Ashamed world citizen...


If you are french or british, in 20 years you will have your paradise of a Muslim run france and UK.

They are taking over your countries and you are too liberal to see it coming.

Just saw they are now DEMANDING to teach islam in your public schools and you high brows will let them!

Ashamed world citizen,

I'm not criticising any particular religion. I'm condemning Religion itself as an absurd superstitious belief. Some people believe in fairies, unicorns, Thor or Yahweh -- the onus is on you to say why you believe in it.

Oh sheit, Sunday morning and a crapload of nationalism on the MDN-channel.

By far the most backward country in the world is the US of A$$$$$$...
I'm with you Ashamed World Citizen. Never seen any country being so intolerable, so self-centric and so pathethic as the US.
If people don't think like us, eat like us, shit like us, then we have to teach them. If not the soft way, then the hard way.
What is it with all those idiots there, having the greatest technology, access to any information-source at any time, but to lazy or dumb to do a proper search in Google or any other internet source and READ some to form a proper, well informed opinion before you open your a$$.

To James, (and supporting Ashamed World Citizen in that), ever heard of the Crusades? In the name of the holy, lets do some nice crusade. The USA is no different in that. All of the reasons can be related to similar ones 500 years back.
1. Trouble at home, unemployment, poverty, grumbling lower and middle class.
2. Military is in despair after loosing their lifetime enemy. Need some new to justify the money for new toys.
3. Lots of money to be made, was it gold and jewels in ancient times, it is oil now.

Being such a righteous christian as bush, he should read the bible and turn his other cheek to whom he's been slapped by.

MW: Single....It only takes one single step to change the world. That single step is from intolerance to tolerance.

re: stickman

I think I'll have less of a problem learning to speak arabic than killing moslems - and this just because an incompetent government claims to fight for, what was it again? Right, Freedom and democracy.

It's a common misunderstanding that the moslems want to convert non-moslems. It is however true that they like their children to remain moslems - even if they're forced to raise them in a non-moslem society.
If you would be forced to leave your country, whatever, maybe you're not even forced -would you want your children to convert?

What makes me confused is your reaction towards these changes in European schools. Would you prefer a school system where people barely know anything about different cultures? I know, this might make morally worthless soldiers - it's not as easy to kill when you're well educated. Maybe this is the reason why the US Administration has been pulling their funds from so many public libraries - not to mention the closure of those 26 EPA libraries. Scientists are protesting - but hey, this will never get any headlines anyway, right?
However, it's a disgrace to see how the US wants other countries to open up - whilst their own citizens are getting their freedom and individual integrity being pulled, one by one.

On a sidenote, and this is for the "evil cultures must be punished if they don't obey to our superior lifestyle" kind of people. If evil would be based on simple mathematics; how come no one compares the amounts of bodybags caused by each culture or religion? Anyone here really believes that western culture or christianity wouldn't take the lead? Honestly?

Sorry Liberals, that the Mac community is not a bunch of hippies sitting in drum circles believing everything can be solved by the right words, and discussions.

For negotiations to work you have to have good moral core on both sides to honor the policy decided on. Hitler Sadam, Osama: goal is power not a fair civilization--evil doesn't honor treaties, it lies to buy time to do more evil to gain more power. Bullies only understand force, they are the people MOST unlike you liberals and you can't mentally process the fact that bullies don't rule dreaming your (or our) peaceful world dreams.

I WAS a Democrat until they drove me our of it with blind stupidity of frequently not being able to see the hard facts of a situation. Home or abroad.
AND....
What's wrong with any war being about oil? What the hell do you think this country/economy runs on. OIL YOU DUFUS! It is (unfortunately) the lifeblood of our economy--without it our economy crashes. I can't think of a MORE important reason to go to war than over oil--until we wean ourselves off this stuff on to some fuel form that originates here (If that's possible). That Liberal crap "no war for oil" is the dumbest thing--you can't grasp what liquid Americans are relying on driving to work, flying, heating, recreation, farming, making plastics, shipping produce across country and the stuff you buy off e-bay with? DUH!! No war for oil showed me how stupid you all are.

We need to smack every Liberal with a Clue Stick. Thank OUR God Liberals weren't around in World Wars 1 or 2 or we NEVER would have won either of them. I agree Viet Nam was wrong. WW 1&2;and the Terrorists now are DIFFERENT folks it's not Viet Nam. I know it brings back fun anti-war protest memories, but getting all sentimental is going to get us car bombs here and more dying on U.S. soil. We already had Pearl Harbor #2 at the World Trade Center. At least in WWII the Japanese had the moral character to attack a military base, not civilians! The Terrorists would kill your baby and your grandmother with not an ounce of regret. Wake up and stop fighting political parties and unite so this will end FASTER. Terrorists love you Liberals you give them the hope they desperately need when they wonder if they should keep killing because the U.S. doesn't have the willpower to finish. You are supporting Osama's very words. Hope your proud of yourselves.

And the thing over the Pope! Muslims pissed off because their religion was called violent and murderous. So they protested with riots, violence, threatened to kill the Pope, and actually killed a nun. Gee, glad they set us straight on THAT misconception! F'n Idiots.

When any discussion turns to POLITICAL and/or RELIGIOUS when the word ARAB is in the context regardless of the discussed subject ?????

LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE!!

And the thing over the Pope! Muslims pissed off because their religion was called violent and murderous. So they protested with riots, violence, threatened to kill the Pope, and actually killed a nun. Gee, glad they set us straight on THAT misconception! F'n Idiots.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2383229,00.html

"Who Cares?" and others result to name calling and the typical approach to the Middle East. "Leave them alone and they'll leave us alone".... Well, that's not going to happen. Leave them alone, and they will go about their business of planning ways to intimidate the world into their Islamic Domination theory. You folks on the far left need to get a reality check, as there is no way in hell that the Jihadists are going to leave anyone alone. Their objective is to take over weaker governments and their military arsenals until they get to the point where they can take over a country or negotiate for nuclear weapons. At that point, they will use them and they will threaten the world, if each country doesn't convert to their religion or pay for their lives through a tax.

All of this can be understood if you just look at history and understand the nature of the enemy. Now, it didn't take any "right wing" upbringing for me to figure this out, because most of my family were die-hard Democrats.... However, they were Conservative Democrats, back in a time when such a thing existed. The problem with the LEFT today is they believe in Utopia, and my friends, Utopia doesn't exist....

"Who really cares about the middle east"

the U.S. does, especially the oil we thought it would be so easy to steal

"If they want to join the civilized world then they can"

what planet is this "civilized world" on?

by the way, would eiter of you have a prayer of passing a retard level test on Middle East geogaphy or history?

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Enough of this fellow mobsters let's now pick on the Dutch

they want to kill us because we are not them. [...] the fundamentalists are fighting against the influence of western culture on their lifestyle.

No they don't and no they're not, mackie. They're fighting against US military forces occupying what they view as prized territory.

like most defective societies, they insist on blaming outsiders for their own problems, ensuring that these are not corrected.

Read a history book, Kate. You obviously have no idea about the roots of our troubles in the Middle East.

PS: The arab world missed out on WWII, and now have to learn things that western civ has already dealt with -- peace through democracy.

That's very ironic, McFly, since the roots of the politicization in the Middle East, specifically Iran, and their push toward self-determination became prominent during WWII, and of course, the US was sat back and did nothing as the UK fucked the region over because it threatened their profits.

The mideast is a worthless part of the world. They bring death and destruction to the world. All because of their EVIL god.

And you are obviously a dumb, worthless cunt, Stu.

Nothing good is going to come from over there, nothing.

Why do you hate algebra? You do realize that Europe was in the Dark Ages while the Middle East was a thriving and advanced civilization, right? Or are you one of those "what have you done for me lately" assholes?

Leave them alone, and they will go about their business of planning ways to intimidate the world into their Islamic Domination theory.

I'm sure you have plenty of source material to back up this bullshit assertion? Since the Middle East hasn't been left alone since, what, the 1800s, I'm sure you have plenty of relevant evidence. Or are you just going to quote their recent rhetoric and claim it as fact?

Their objective is to take over weaker governments and their military arsenals until they get to the point where they can take over a country or negotiate for nuclear weapons.

That's funny cuz studies of suicide terrorism show that over 50% are insitigated by secular groups (like the Tamil Tigers) and that nearly 100% of them are for a very specific reason: to expel foreign occupiers.

All of this can be understood if you just look at history and understand the nature of the enemy.

Which you obviously haven't done.