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"You're much better off to take one of your earbuds out and put it in her ear."

I think he meant to say "squirt it in her ear".

His Steveness does make some points. I still want an iPhone though, there are some pretty good ones here in Sweden with a couple of Gb worth of storage but i trust sony-ericsson's quality about as much as tjernobyl's.

The only advantage is you get to use the line

"My zune is bigger"

Sharing ear buds? I don't think so. May I suggest <a >a splitter</a> instead.

I think he meant one of these

http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/general/general/ibuzz_-_ipod_gets_x-rated_accessory

That is a great article, recommended read for anyone.

I rather stick my tounge in her ear.

And Steve Jobs is wrong about one thing, people rather get and manage their new music directly on the device itself instead of having to use a complicated computer to do so.

See here:

"One of the biggest insights we have was that we decided not to try to manage your music library on the iPod, but to manage it in iTunes. Other companies tried to do everything on the device itself and made it so complicated that it was useless."

Steve is definatly worried the Zune will all of a sudden have the ability to download music directly without the need for a computer. Let's face it, the computing using market is a small portion of the overall general public which enjoy's portable music.

Steve married the iPod to the computer to create the "iPod halo effect" for furthering Mac sales. Microsoft is about to cut that cord with a device that doesn't require a computer to download and manage music.

Apple better be prepared to meet the needs of the entire music listening public with a all in one device or the iPod will be tarnished with the brush "oh a iPod? You need to buy a expensive computer to use them"

Apple better watch out

"That's like saying you don't want to kiss your lover's lips because everyone has lips. It doesn't make any sense."

Jobs gets sensuous. Is this a first? Probably not. Are there similar quotes from the past?

Mmmm, I like sharing buds (albeit Senhseissers) and so does my girlfriend.

But I reckon an iBuzz would put an even bigger smile on her face!

I drove my daughter and a friend to a sleepover yesterday afternoon and the whole way there they shared earbuds connected to one of their nanos, even though they each have one. This type of social networking has been available with the iPod since Day One.

"Microsoft has announced its new iPod competitor, Zune. It says that this device is all about building communities. Are you worried?
Jobs: In a word, no.

I love his man. (and i'm a guy)

Let's face it, the computing using market is a small portion of the overall general public which enjoy's portable music.

Is that statement sarcastic? If not, you clearly do not understand anything.

oops, i meant "this"
(darn fingers)

Rabid Horny Dog,

Managing your music is not the same as downloading tracks directly to iPod.

Also, it's quite possible a future version of iPod will let you buy tracks directly, especially if you consider the new 5.5G iPods' ability to let you transfer iTunes-bought tracks between computers via iPod. This functionality could allow future iPods to download tracks to iPod (when out and about) and then transfer them to your computer later (when at home). Ta da!

Your wrong Rabid Horny Dog, Zune does NOT let you manage your library from the device. You cannot purchase music from the device, you need a computer. It can only download files from a nearby zune, and then ONLY for three days. If you wish to have the file for more than three days, you need to purchase it with your PC.

You shouldn't make comments like that unless you get your facts straight.

BTW I doubt apple is worried too much, microsoft has a long history of hardware failures, gooogle it.

"I drove my daughter and a friend to a sleepover yesterday afternoon and the whole way there they shared earbuds connected to one of their nanos, even though they each have one. This type of social networking has been available with the iPod since Day One."

Great example...my daughter is on a swim team and that form of social sharing at swim meets goes on continuously.

Further, only one person needs an ipod to share that way. I will truly be surprised if the "social sharing" via wi-fi on the Zune actually takes off.

However, I do applaud Microsoft for trying to think of something to counteract Apple. I just think it will fail.

Rabid Horny Dog… you are wrong.

Steve was talking about the past, pre iPod the MP3 players tried to manage everything, and consequentially were complicated and no fun to use.

The simple iPod revolutionised ease of use.
Became a Walkman without having to change cassettes and turn them over!

5000 songs in your pocket AND easy to use.

Compare and Contrast:

Steve (MonkeyBoy) Ballmer, Speaking about Zune: "We'll figure out how to make money on the community perhaps later though advertising or other means."

Steve Jobs, Speaking about the iPod:"Music is so deep within all of us, but it's easy to go for a day or a week or a month or a year without really listening to music. And the iPod has changed that for tens of millions of people, and that makes me really happy, because I think music is good for the soul."

Smart man, that Steve Jobs.

As for me, I'd choose to manage my music library in iTunes every single time. Not only it is easier and more fun to shop on a 21" monitor than in a tiny little screen, but also, I've got five iPods; imagine having to fiddle around with five separate libraries. That'd be stooopid. Specially with 6,000 songs in a device that could easily be stolen.

Yeah No cerumen, thank you because sharing an earbud is so much more intimate than say kissing or f---ing that cute girl.

Rabid Horny Dog,

Has Microsoft put the towels back or is the 'Campus' still a towel free zone?

The quality of posts by MS acolytes is as ever...poor (see Rabid Horny Dog above) If it's possible they are getting worse!

And back to what Jobs said, it made Ballmers comments the other day look like the comments of a rabid horny dog in comparison. Jobs turns it into a sexy, tactile, personal exchange of earbuds*. Very very clever.

No wonder Apple's the success it is.

*Versus a dirty technogeeky download squirt form the Zune... hilarious.

"Steve is definatly worried the Zune will all of a sudden have the ability to download music directly without the need for a computer."


Way to go, and your mother has laser eyebeams to cook dinner and your dad can fly.

I know you want these things but just like wireless Zune music buying...

They don't exist!

Zune won't do this sort of thing when it comes out. Dream on. But one thing it will do right out of the box, is "Zune" all of your mp3s.

MDN word is "cannot"... I'm serious!

What would be the point of buying songs directly from the device if you still need to plug it in to charge it and the wireless will pretty much kill the battery while waiting?

I still think that Zune is doing the social networking wrong. It's a good idea, poorly done. Again. Microsoft.

What it should be is an option that is on your iPod that broadcasts whatever you are playing, and then people around you can TUNE in to it with their iPods. Kind of like portable FM broadcasting. Or something. But not using FM, using Bluetooth or WiFi. And if someone likes it, then give them the option of grabbing the file and playing it for 3 times or whatever before it expires.

The whole process that Zune does, the selecting and beaming(squirting as Ballmer calls it) a song is too time consuming. Only hardcore nerds will go through all that work to send something.

DavidO:

"That's like saying you don't want to kiss your lover's lips because everyone has lips. It doesn't make any sense."

Jobs gets sensuous. Is this a first? Probably not. Are there similar quotes from the past?

The slogan for the G5 tower, a pro machine for creative people, was simply this:

Pro Create.

>You're much better off to take one of your earbuds out and put it in her ear.

Never in a million years would the behemoth have thought about it. They're focused on squirting - a few seconds of bliss, the sooner the better - while Apple understands that Mac users enjoy the foreplay too. We can go on and on and on and on....

I just thought of a great headline for when the MS player crashes and burns in the marketplace!

"Dark Side of the Zune."

(You can use that.)

That statement about the general publics computer usage and the argument of downloading directly to a digital player is so wrong.

If you don't have a computer, how are you going to get music on your mp3 player? How will you directly get music from your cd's onto it? To think wi-fi is the everything answer is not thought out.

OK, maybe plug a cable from a portable CD players headphone jack to the input of an mp3 device, then upload and manage your music on the mp3 device. I could see that. Circumvent the computer that way, abeit quality may be lower than it already is.

Are people REALLY going to go in search of a wi-fi network to get music onto it? Go to the local Quiznos maybe? Or set up a wi-fi network at home
even though you don't own a computer? Again, crazy talk. A wi-fi only mp3 player is not practical, unless your city has an all over wi-fi coverage network.

Any irony in the fact that the story is on MSN?

"Let's face it, the computing using market is a small portion of the overall general public which enjoy's portable music."

In a word: Rubbish.

Guess what? Personal computers have become ubiquitous here in America and pretty much anybody who can afford a $149 iPod can probably also afford a $350 Windows PC to get music on it.

Come on. Join us in the 21st Century.

The reason the iPod is joined with the computer is simple. Browsing music to buy is a better experience on a computer with a nice big screen than on an iPod with a 2.5 or 3-inch screen. The idea that the "halo effect" is planned is rediculous--especially when you figure that the iPod, iTunes, and the iTunes Music Store were Mac-only for the first year or more of their life.

<<Let's face it, the computing using market is a small portion of the overall general public which enjoy's portable music.>>

rubbish, the very fact that YouTube is serving up 100 million videos a day should demonstrate that computers are beyond mainstream.

However I forsee a future where you can doc your iPod at a retail store and buy movies and tracks directly with a special iTunes kiosk that can grab your account info from the iPod....then when you get back home...upload the content to the master jukebox. (and Apple would never use the term) "media server" save that for Geeksoft.

Now, this is interesting. Oct. 23 is the 5th anniversary of the iPod. Who knew?

Can anyone say, "special edition FIFTH ANNIVERSARY IPOD?" ! Wide- and touchscreen interface, perhaps??

Mark your calendars, boys and girls. Oct.23 just might be an interesting day.

PS: of course, I was expecting a 30th Anniversary Mac this past summer too: how did that work out for me?

PPS: only Microsoft would conceive of a new way for geeks to interact with girls - FROM ACROSS THE ROOM! - I guess that's a safe distance... in case they wet themselves.

I'd say there's a market gap for a bluetooth gizmo. Plug into your iPod, and hand a cheap set of disposable earbuds to a friend. Jam, or share between two iPods.

Or maybe not.

Digital mediums, be it music, photography, videos don't really have huge advantage over analogue mediums UNLESS you can manipulate, process, edit, organize, slice and dice them and the a PC/Mac is by far the best place to do those things. Sure I can edit my photos on my digital camera but once i've done it in iPhoto, why would i want to?

Steve "Smooth Operator" Jobs. Getting the hunnies. Hubba hubba.

Major FUD alert:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2006-10-15-music-war_x.htm

"The top consumer complaint at online music service Napster: Songs purchased at Napster won't play on Apple's iPod.
It's not Napster's fault. Apple's hugely successful iPod business is built on a closed system. You shop at iTunes Music Store for digital songs and use iTunes software to transfer them effortlessly to the iPod.

The system works great for iPod owners. For others, there's a chaos of competing formats.

Songs sold at Napster, Rhapsody, Yahoo Music and other online stores are geared to Microsoft-endorsed digital devices, not the iPod. These digital music players from SanDisk, Creative Labs and others can't easily play songs from iTunes."

And what about the Microsoft Zune? Does it PlayForSure?

LOL

Job's comment about sharing earbuds is so right on. Microsoft is so screwed.

iTunes is bigger than the iPod- or potentially is a lot bigger. At this point, I use my iPod about once a month w/ earbuds. . . several times per week with an iTrip. . . but iTunes drives our home music entirely via airport expresses scattered about the house. . . and iTunes is beginning to drive our AV as well- my macbook plugs into the tv & av receiver with zero config. . . between "handbrake" and the tv shows on iTunes we rarely watch regular tv anymore- it's worth 2 bucks to watch something when I want to without 20 min / hr of commercials. The iTV device will ice the cake.

"You're much better off to take one of your earbuds out and put it in her ear. Then you're connected with about two feet of headphone cable."

And can be arrested for battery.

"I rather stick my tounge in her ear."

Or sexual battery.

"iPod that broadcasts whatever you are playing, and then people around you can TUNE in to it with their iPods."

Like the Zune DJ feature, you mean?

Most strangers are going to recoil if you try to put anything in their ear. but they may be curious enough to connect to your MP3 player from a distance.

For those who haven't seen the "Zune Walkthrough" and "Sharing Songs and Pictures with the Zune" videos, they are available from Microsoft 10 (on10.net) through iTunes as a <a >Video PodCast</a>.

Jobs' point was great, you can either spend a few minutes transferring a song to a girl from across the room or you can get up nice and close to her and share an earbud...

I've never felt the desire to send someone a song or photo from my iPod. However, if the feature were there and I could find another zuner, it'd probably be a novelty for a day or two.

Also, I love that people are still commenting about the great feature of turning the Zune on it's side for "widescreen." 320x240 = 320x240. 320x240 @ 2.5" > 320x240 @ 3.0". Go enlarge a 5x7 to 8x10, if the input is the same, your photo doesn't get better - it gets worse.

Oh, and On10.net is great with their iPod ready downloads and their Podcast subscription button. Microsoft, already defeated.

I double checked; those tags were correct when I hit submit.

<a >Video PodCast</a>

One more time, maybe I deserve a Zune. Let's see...

Video PodCast

"Do you think that it's fair to the customer that the songs they buy from Apple will only work on iTunes and the iPod?"
Jobs: "Well, they knew that all along."


That's funny, I've burned audio CDs on iTunes and listened to them on multiple different CD players. (home, car, portable)

iTunes = Free software download for Mac or PC, legal music purchase and ownership, CD burning portability, no iPod necessary. Not too shabby.

I do own a 5G iPod though, and love it : )

Did you hear that ? 'the girls got up and left' I'm lousy with women enough as it is. Screw the Zune.

By the time the 30gig WiFi Zune is released there will be a 100gig WiFi wide screen iPod. If Apple needs to compete with MS they need to release a limited edition "(insert artist name with sirname Brown)" iPod in a brown color.

Rabid Horny Dog...
I bought an 80gig iPod, and loaded pretty much all my favorite music on it. Now I can throw the computer in the bin if I want. My iPod is set up.

Rabid Horny Dog.

This is a valid point, but only if every song you buy is from the Zune Store.

Which seeing as only a small % of iPod content is bought via the iTS, this will be pretty small as well, seeing as it's more difficult to buy via the Zune Store (worse DRM).


What about transferring your existing CD's? You need a computer for that.

What about transferring your existing Albums? You need a computer for that.

Although I buy via the iTS, I still buy CD's, so I still need a computer.


I still say that managing your music collection, (adding & deleting songs, changing their tags, creating new playlists, adding artwork), is way easier on a device that has a large screen, keyboard & a mouse - A COMPUTER.

I'd hate to arrange my music collection using the iPod. It'd be difficult doing this with the iPod, even though it has a great interface, imagine doing it on a player made by the company who hasn't a clue about interface design? (Microsoft).

Then there's the problem of backing up your mythical, non computer dependent device - how would you do that exactly?

On the iPod, it's already sorted for you - it's on iTunes if the iPod dies, and it's on the iPod if iTunes dies.

Rabid Horny Dog - better think again. Or go back to the Microsoft PR meeting and ask them to give you an answer.

Microsoft - in order to beat Apple you need to stop thinking like a geek, and start thinking like a normal consumer.

Zune does NOT let you manage your library from the device. You cannot purchase music from the device, you need a computer. It can only download files from a nearby zune, and then ONLY for three days. If you wish to have the file for more than three days, you need to purchase it with your PC

Oh ye of little vision!

If one takes a close look at the Zune they would notice the screen size, the graphics and especially the wifi capability is a idea combination for the eventual advancement of a store on the device itself.

The other "shoe" of a device hasn't been dropped yet, it could be the X-Box add on, it could be a 'hard drive/dock/DSL modem' combination.

You see, most people in the world don't have, can't afford, are not interested or "get" computers.

However most everyone enjoy's music, especially portable music. Cd players and walkmans are their staple.

A Mp3 player with a music store/interface on the device itself would offer a easy upgrade for these people without the cost, trouble or hassle of learning a computer.

Processors are always getting cheaper by the day and there is a large enough storage space on these Mp3 players to offer a basic operating system.

The clue of what M$ is up to is obvious with the integrated WiFi capability. All they have to do is change (or reveal) the store interface to show their true plans, all the hardware needs are in place.

I bought an 80gig iPod, and loaded pretty much all my favorite music on it. Now I can throw the computer in the bin if I want. My iPod is set up.

And if the iPod breaks then what? What if you want new music or manage songs? Can't do without a computer right?

I think M$ is going to offer a X-Box add on or a seperate device with hard drive (for auto backup) /DSL modem / Wifi ability to provide the link to the M$ Music Store. We haven't seen this second device yet but should appear around the Holidays.

Steve Jobs should be very concerned.

Guess what? Personal computers have become ubiquitous here in America and pretty much anybody who can afford a $149 iPod can probably also afford a $350 Windows PC to get music on it.

But you fail to understand that most people don't care, afford, want to or "get" computers.

The college crowd is introduced to computers, the occasional office worker may be trained like a monkey to push a few keys. But most everyone either views them as work or never has touched a computer.

But any monkey can buy a $24 cd and stick it in a portable cd player and press play right?

The reason the iPod is joined with the computer is simple. Browsing music to buy is a better experience on a computer with a nice big screen than on an iPod with a 2.5 or 3-inch screen.

Managing/buying music on a larger device/screen/computer is better, I agree. Much like the difference between a laptop screen and a 30" cinema display, but is the 30" really necessary to manage music? People do just fine with PDA's to recieve and send emails, which is a lot more complicated than managing and buying music.

The idea that the "halo effect" is planned is rediculous--especially when you figure that the iPod, iTunes, and the iTunes Music Store were Mac-only for the first year or more of their life.

Certainly the "iPod halo effect" was planned, Apple is a hardware company and the iPods are hardware. Apple embraced the Windows camp to sell more iPods which is a lure for people to embrace the Mac platform.

Apple is doing a lot of Windows embracing lately. "Boot Camp" for instance. iTunes trojan horse for another, all lures designed to get people introduced to Apple products.

The Mac evangelism days are over.