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Jul 23, 08 - 11:28 am Comment from: Cascadians

I would gladly give some of my blubber to him. Too bad fat transfusions aren't possible. Reverse liposuction, squirt fat just where you want it ... coming soon, no doubt.

Jul 23, 08 - 11:30 am Comment from: HMCIV

Maybe Steve Jobs can augment his diet by devouring the charred corpuses of Mac Cloners.

This is most public private matter ever!

Dear frigtards,

There. Are you friggin' satisfied now?

Please put all the BS about Steve Jobs to rest and turn the page. Move along, folks. There's nothing to see.

alldfblndlkgb, or whoever you are in your next (and past) post(s):

Have a nice cup of shut the fsck up, you insensitive bastard.

There. I feel better now. And I speak for the rest of us, you loser.

Jul 23, 08 - 11:50 am Comment from: Ampar

"Reverse liposuction, squirt fat just where you want it ... coming soon, no doubt."

It's called McDonald's.

Regardless of all the idiots who weigh in on this.

The truth is that Jobs is a business genius.
Yes, even geniuses make mistakes... but it's undeniably true
that he is one of the more remarkable people this nation has produced.

We should all wish him good health in his body, heart and mind.

1. It's nothing, just a common bug.
3. Mr, Jobs is receiving antibiotics.
2. Mr. Jobs is naturally gaunt.
3. Surgery was required, that's all I can say.
4. Mr. Jobs is currently on "vacation".
5. Mr. Jobs is unable to take iPhone calls right now.

Were the antibiotics ordered for prophylaxis or treatment, and which medication were ordered?

If Jobs' health is so robust, why would Apple even mention the existence of plans for succession to the throne?

Jul 23, 08 - 11:54 am Comment from: JAYGEE

And I am that successor!

1. Stop lying. You made most of the statements above up.

2. Read up on the Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Act (HIPAA). This federal law guarantees the right of privacy to anyone about their medical condition, including yours. And Steve Jobs. In short, it's none of your business.

3. Steve Jobs had surgery in the past, and as reported, got better. As such, his medical condition (see #2 above) is not material and thus, no information had to be disclosed to stockholders, analysts, the media or the public.

4. Actually read the article above. Every word of it. It contradicts what you assert. And by the way, please stop being so arrogant. Truth be told, you want to see Steve Jobs dead. Admit it. Unlike you, Steve Jobs will have a brilliant legacy. You will eventually die a loser. Because that is what you are.

Jul 23, 08 - 12:02 pm Comment from: Macromancer

"If Jobs' health is so robust, why would Apple even mention the existence of plans for succession to the throne?"

Because the media and fanboys will not STFU about it and keep bringing it up at every turn. If they said NOTHING you'd be complaining about that too.

Let us not forget that Steve Jobs himself spilled the beans of his cancer. Apple has had to deal with this revelation ever since.
Of course, Apple probably recognized that preventing disclosure of Steve's illness indefinitely was impossible, that the truth of Jobs' health status would eventually emerge, and that concealing Jobs' illness would be later interpreted as protecting Apple's interests at the cost of public trust. All this speculation over Jobs' health was inevitable whether Steve announced his illness or not. It was only a matter of time and the time has come for honest and open discourse.

Jul 23, 08 - 12:07 pm Comment from: Ampar

You should eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation and always, always, always avoid unnecessary prolixity.

Jul 23, 08 - 12:11 pm Comment from: Sixvodkas

Don't have a cow over Steve's weight.

Wait. Perhaps some beef would put a little meat on him!

I may be wrong, but as a journalist, if you have a story, or think you have a story, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that you would do some research, check with the relevant people and try and get the truth before publishing? Even if you can't 100% confirm something with physical evidence straight from the horses mouth, then you would think you would have enough data to reasonably back up your assertations? It might just be me, perhaps journalism just involves typing any old shit idea/rumour that comes across your desk as fact, followed by your own wild speculation, regardless of the actual situation

@Ampar -
Truer words have not been written.

Jul 23, 08 - 12:22 pm Comment from: jonahan

@M.X.N.T.4.1 ... Are you new to the internet?

M.X.N.T.4.1

You misunderstand the slimers. Journalism is the last thing on their mind, let alone truth.

They and their media enablers and the Wall Street crooks just want to keep the issue in the forefront.

The Microsoft Mediocrity Cult has nothing else. Hundreds of millions to polish the Vista turd, and baseless gossip.

alldfblndlkgb wrote: "This is most public private matter ever!"
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Hardly.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Jul 23, 08 - 12:30 pm Comment from: Ampar

"@Ampar - Truer words have not been written."

Credit goes to Paul Grice.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Grice)

"1. Stop lying. You made most of the statements above up."

Would you or could you be more specific?

"2. Read up on the Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Act (HIPAA). This federal law guarantees the right of privacy to anyone about their medical condition, including yours. And Steve Jobs. In short, it's none of your business."

Steve Jobs publicly announced his diagnosis and treatment for cancer; therefore, his health and wellness is now public knowledge and thus invalidates the privacy afforded by HIPAA. HIPAA is only relevant to those who wish to keep their health information confidential. That is, Steve Jobs deprived himself of the protection provided by HIPAA.

"3. Steve Jobs had surgery in the past, and as reported, got better. As such, his medical condition (see #2 above) is not material and thus, no information had to be disclosed to stockholders, analysts, the media or the public."

If Steve Jobs had less than 1 or 3 or 5 years of projected life remaining, would he or Apple have any morel, ethical, or legal obligation to divulge this information to stockholders? How well do you think Apple stockholders would feel if they were left uninformed about Job's health or the succession to CEO? What percentage of Apple stock holders would retaliate by selling their stock if they believed that Apple was deliberately lying about Jobs' health or misleading about Apple's succession to CEO?

"4. Actually read the article above."

I did.

"Every word of it. It contradicts what you assert."

You're lacking in specifics. Please explain.

"And by the way, please stop being so arrogant.

Again, you're lacking in specifics, please explain.

"Truth be told, you want to see Steve Jobs dead. Admit it."

I want honesty and openness from Apple, as well as a successful transition of CEO.

"Unlike you, Steve Jobs will have a brilliant legacy."

Really, do you know who I am?

"You will eventually die a loser. Because that is what you are."

You're showing fear.

The torrent of slime began with the NYP anonymously quoting some hedge fund Wall Street Crooks being "concerned" about Jobs' health.

That's it. Thousands of words later, that's the only hook they have to hang their stories upon. Questions, concern, speculation, slime, insinuation...it's all based on anonymous hedge fund Wall Street crooks being "concerned" via the slimy New York Post.

Cramer outlined exactly how it's done in his YouTube interview. I'll dig up the quote, and post it.

APPL would be about $350 right now if it weren't for this crap....

...and it may never get there so long as this "health" card can be played whenever "they" want the stock to go down.

mfers,

The New York Times is a dirty filthy bias RAG!!

Do the world a favor and don't buy it!!

I suspected that this would be the case. He had surgery on his pancreas for the cancer. My theory is that because pancreas produces digestive enzymes to break down food, if there is a problem there, he wouldn't able to absorb food properly. Furthermore, the man is a vegan, so he probably isn't eating high caloric food in the first place. The other theory is that he may have scarring from the surgery that prevent normal digestion. I doubt if this is cancer recurrence.

Jul 23, 08 - 12:52 pm Comment from: Mr. Peabody

"Mr. Jobs, who is keeping his own counsel on the succession issue, is on vacation this week and did not return phone calls."

Well if they had been iPhone calls maybe SJ would've answered them... Duh...

Jul 23, 08 - 12:58 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Well if they had been iPhone calls maybe SJ would've answered them... Duh..."

Or maybe he planned a vacation in NoBars, Nevada to keep from being bothered.

thrasycon,

"The torrent of slime began with the NYP anonymously quoting some hedge fund Wall Street Crooks being "concerned" about Jobs' health."

Actually, comments and concerns about Steve's wellness, and Apple's future commenced across the globe by hundreds of individuals (including MDN) after Jobs' public announcement of his cancer, and also by his frail appearance witnessed at WWDC 2008 and distributed worldwide by Apple's own Apple Events.

I, for one, refuse to allow sentimentality and fanboisim, dictate my financial decision making.

Jul 23, 08 - 01:07 pm Comment from: CitizenX

I understand the weight loss situation Steve is going through. I had kidney cancer and my kidney was removed. I am naturally thin and like Steve had the same problem with weight loss. It didn't mean I was unhealthy or that the cancer had returned, it is just a "side" effect of major surgery.

Jul 23, 08 - 01:08 pm Comment from: Jubei

Maybe the press should be talking more about jabba the hut Ballmer and his large obese sweaty body mucking up the environment. How about that?

Jul 23, 08 - 01:09 pm Comment from: Macromancer

"That is, Steve Jobs deprived himself of the protection provided by HIPAA."

Bullsh1t. Just because he revealed a single occurrence of a health issue does not give the public rights to know his entire health record in perpetuity.

No. It doesnt.!

Jul 23, 08 - 01:10 pm Comment from: Macromancer

"The New York Times is a dirty filthy bias RAG!!"

It's always BIAS when it says something you don't believe in isn't it?

Jul 23, 08 - 01:11 pm Comment from: Cubert

Medical Lesson:

Just as I explained on June 13th.

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/17566/

You can dress it up all you want, KGB, and you can try to score cheap points with the "fanboi" stuff, but you have absolutely nothing to indicate that Jobs' cancer has returned.

Fact: the latest torrent of slime began the morning of earnings via a NYP story quoting anonymous hedge fund managers being "concerned" about Jobs' health.

If you want to make investment decisions based on rumors, innuendo, and media speculation, that's your choice.

But cite ONE credible source that Jobs' cancer has returned.

Jul 23, 08 - 01:23 pm Comment from: wyorancher

Look, why don't we stop kidding ourselves. He sat down at a machine and tried using Vista (much like Gates did). The shock was probably enormous. "People are trying to use this?" he said with eyes wide. Then he realized the suffering going on out there - like thousands of voices crying out in pain. It was probably a shock to his system. I know it put me off my feed for several days. I still shudder even thinking about it. He'll soon be over it.

Macromancer,

... and stock holders are not obligated to purchase additional stock or not sell existing stock because of concerns of Job's health, misinformation about Apple's CEO, ambiguity about succession, and Apple's long-term well-being.

What confidence do you have regarding Jobs' wellness and Apple's future once Jobs' is no longer CEO? I would like to know more about your reasoning on these points.

What do you think are Apple's obligations to its share holders regarding Jobs' health and wellness, and its plans for succession?

Which is more important to you, (a) your financial stake in Apple or (b) Apple maintaining absolute secrecy about Steve Job's medical condition and Apple's conditions for succession as CEO?

thrasycon,

Cite ONE credible source that Jobs' cancer has NOT returned.

You people who claim that Job's health records are absolutely confidential cannot also claim to have incontrovertible proof of his wellness without admitting that you have also violated HIPAA. To prove your point, you would be confessing that you have committed a breach of confidentiality.

So, which is it?

Are you merely speculating or do you have information that you are not entitled to possess or divulge

Re Confidence once Jobs leaves, if.
Superior products.

Re Apple's obligations.
If Jobs health requires that he leave Apple, they should inform investors and the public. They haven't so far, so there is no news. In fact, Apple has said there are no plans for Jobs to leave. Do you have any other information?

Re Secrecy. You misinterpret no news for secrecy.

KGB,

Absent information about Jobs' health, all you have is speculation based on his appearance. Full stop. In other words, you have nothing, and you know it.

I have no proof that Jobs is not a Martian, either. Thanks for playing the logic game.

Apple indicated that they do have a succession plan because some
idiot for the Times claimed that Apple didn't have a plan.

ALL major corporations have a plan and typically it's kept confidential until it's actually, if ever, activated.

xyzfgy,

Nonsense. If you and I both understood the conditions of Job's illness that would preempt his functioning as CEO we wouldn't be discussing his future as CEO. In fact, we only have Apple's ambiguous assertions that Jobs' is capable of performing the task of CEO. I believe that Apple is more concerned about projecting the illusion of Steve's health and protecting its stock price than anything else.

From the NYT story.

...in recent weeks, Mr. Jobs has reassured several people that he is doing well and that four years after a successful operation to treat a rare form of pancreatic cancer, he is cancer free.

People who are close to Mr. Jobs say that he had a surgical procedure this year to address a problem that was contributing to a loss of weight. These people declined to be identified because Mr. Jobs had not authorized them to speak about his health.
................
The company has said that it has formulated a succession strategy in case Mr. Jobs left the company, but that it was confidential.

http://tinyurl.com/6cnbuo

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Is there information that Jobs is lying or that those quoted are lying ? Is there information that the company is lying about a succession strategy?

thrasycon,

So, you admit that you know as much as I do about Job's health - which is absolutely nothing.

What's your point, again?

If Apple was so concerned about its stock price, they wouldn't have guided down so aggressively.

And I'm not sure about this, but if they are lying about Jobs' health they will be the target of the class action lawsuit to end all class action lawsuits.

Do you have information that Apple is a. lying and b. to protect it's share price, or are you speculating?

Jul 23, 08 - 01:57 pm Comment from: smyhre

Forget his freaken life guys. Its his life, his, in other words NOT yours. What he wants public will be public, what he wants private he wants private. Quit trying to find the truth or pry into it when he isn't talking. Now if you were his closest friend I could see your concern. Otherwise Apple will find a replacement if they need to and will keep him if they don't need to replace him. I have never understood people's obsession with people they don't know personally. Follow your own life it far more important to you.

KGB,

What I know is that you have nothing. I am not required to prove a negative. The burden is on you to prove that Jobs' cancer has returned.

Prove.

The NYT story cited quotes Jobs saying his cancer has not returned, that he has had an operation to adjust his nutrition, and that a succession plan is in place.

Do you know otherwise.

There's only one thing for sure. Something is wrong with Steve.

If nothing were wrong, Apple would quickly quell any concerns by releasing a press release to that Steve was perfectly healthy.

But they cannot make that release when something is wrong as issues involving Steve's health will certainly have a material effect on Apple's stock price and they would be up for stock fraud.

So the question is not is something wrong, that's a given, but the question is what is wrong.

Why is it a given?

Why do you not believe the NYT story quoting Jobs as saying he is cancer free and that he has had an operation to correct his nutrition?

Is the NYT story wrong, are those quoted lying? Do you have other information?

Jul 23, 08 - 02:20 pm Comment from: Bluefin

OK, here's a tact to try and get the trolls to understand:

As an investor in technology stocks, I am concerned that the CEO of Microsoft, which has a huge impact on all tech stocks, has Elephantitus.

The disease is a condition whereby parts of the body grow abnormally large. My concern is that Microsoft will not issue a statement denying Ballmer is so affected. In addition, I have no idea what the succession plan in place is for if he does succumb to Elephantitus.

Until then, I'll keep repeating the issue and tech stocks will go down.

Jul 23, 08 - 02:20 pm Comment from: Sixvodkas

@ solid,

You're putting your head in the sand.
If you think it's a "private" matter when the most powerful man in the world is stupid enough to place himself in a situation where he could be blackmailed, then you value politics over reality.

Jul 23, 08 - 02:51 pm Comment from: shen

""Reverse liposuction, squirt fat just where you want it ... coming soon, no doubt."

It's called McDonald's."

oh my..... is *that* where they get the ingredients from?!?

that explains a lot!