“Office 2011, due before the holidays, replaces the much-despised Entourage e-mail client and information manager with a real version of Microsoft Outlook created for Macintosh,” Coursey writes. “When that happens, Mac users become full participants on their companies’ Exchange-based e-mail systems. End of the Mac as a second-class corporate citizen.”
MacDailyNews Take: Too late. We don’t use Office anymore; haven’t for years. The only reason to use the bloated Office is if you’re stuck working at a place with dim-witted IT doofuses who’ve screwed their companies by shackling themselves to Microsoft “solutions.”
Coursey continues, “Microsoft could have done this previously, but used Entourage to create a barrier between Mac users and Exchange. Given the issue persisted for a decade, the incompatibility must be considered intentional. This nonsense went on much too long and Microsoft still deserves roasting for having pulled such a stunt in the first place. So, no congratulations from me.”
“Entourage appeared in 2000, replacing the previous Outlook Express that shipped with Office 98. Asked why they didn’t just offer a new Mac version of Outlook, Microsoft replied that Entourage was intended for a different audience than Outlook served,” Coursey writes. “That ‘new audience’ being Mac users who didn’t need to connect to Exchange, which left out a huge number of potential Windows-to-Mac converts over the decade. Intentionally crippled as a client for Exchange servers, Entourage was a sure way of keeping Macs from expanding their presence in businesses large enough to use Exchange and Outlook.”
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Anyone who gives Microsoft money for Office after such prolonged mistreatment, not to mention public ridicule from Microsoft’s CEO (please see: After attempting to belittle Mac users, Microsoft tries to sell them Office 2008 with free trial), is either a masochist, a fool, or stuck trying to get some work done with junk provided by the aforementioned IT doofuses. Our condolences.
I need a formula editor in both Pages and Keynote.
before that, I am stuck with that crash prone MS stuff.
hello apple? please….
@SamLowry
What?
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Pages/3.0/en/c9pg6.html
Open Formula Editor for selected non-formula cell =
Open Formula Editor for cell containing formula or formatted number =, Return, Enter, or double-click
In Formula Editor, save changes Return, Enter, Accept button
In Formula Editor, discard changes Escape, Cancel button
@SamLowry
. . . and Project, and Visio, and Access.
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Ghastly products all, but required in my work environment, at least for now, until I convince everyone to break from the collective.
Also Sam
http://evolve.lse.ac.uk/software/EquationEditor/
@MDN Take.
I think of buying MS products as giving to a charity fund.
With Microsoft’s Home Use Program I can get Office for $10. If only I could get iWork that inexpensively.
@Mormegil
OmniPlan and OmniGraffle professional…
That only leaves MS-Access
The last time I made any “formulas” .. it was powdered, and came in a cardboard cannister !
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Guess I am finally uninstalling mdn. The half cocked ignorant and immature comments on anything that doesn’t come directly from Apple has finally worn me out. I’ll go elsewhere for my “news”.
@priceagain
You can get the iWork tools for under $10 each on the iPad and better yet, be virus free, worm free, malware free and bullshit free.
Seriously, until there is a real alternative to MS Access and its use of VBA, I will NEED Micro$oft…I feel so dirty…
Anyone who gives Microsoft money for Office after such prolonged mistreatment, not to mention public ridicule from Microsoft’s CEO (please see: After attempting to belittle Mac users, Microsoft tries to sell them Office 2008 with free trial), is AN IDIOT.
Think of how much Mac software or how many Apps you could buy with that money which would give a user multiple times the value and productivity of Office.
MDN its it on the head spot on with their take.
I need matrix and linear algebra functions in Numbers, and/or help convincing my peers that Octave is a better tool than Excel for such things. Until then, I’m stuck dealing with Excel (but not paying through the nose for the privilege; still using the Office v.X version that I bought with my first PowerBook back in 2003).
MDN MW “off”, as in which direction Microsoft can sod with their upgrade treadmill.
@Andreeccm
Wow it took this benign article to convince you to leave?
Anyway, I’m not an MS fan, or their products, but if allowing parity with the Windows version helps people switch then I’m all for it.
MS sees the writing on the wall and are trying to position themselves as software suppliers for the future.
@andreeccm
I hear ya…it can become a bit annoying..but facts are facts..
Have you USED Microsoft Word on the Mac?
It may be the single most annoying piece of software ever written. I use a $4000 Mac Workstation and Word takes forever to start up, must be open since it won’t let you copy something from the buffer into a document without first being open, and is largely unintuitive and hard to use.
Invariably if I want to get something actually DONE I use Pages or Keynote and not Word or Powerpoint…both of which just seem like software from 1998.
But the fanboyism can be hard to put up with…I understand.
When something is truly better is gets approval. Simple as that.
For the record, I recommended LaTex for Equation editing in Keynote…it’s not an Apple product.
Price again:
Anyone with your feelings of entitlement probably values their time and effort accordingly right?
Can you come be a janitor here for a generous $2 an hour ?
WIll consider pricing again…@$1 an hour if you do overtime.
Another reason us “dim-witted IT doofuses” use Office is that we can’t get around it.
If you think you can walk into a a law office and swap out word for something like Pages, you’re an inexperienced dolt.
In many businesses there are extremely complex documents, formatted in the night by fastidious elves making use of every hidden feature of MS Word. These documents get e-mailed around from company to company.
WORD is as entrenched in the Enterprise as Manila Envelope. It ain’t goin nowhere.
MDN’s take on it is at best naive.
Time to haul down the white flag, Lotus. The OS Wars are resuming, and with the iPad a hole on the enterprise market is opening up, and you have a kickass spreadsheet program called Improv that was developed for OS X when it was called NeXT to headline a revamped 1-2-3 Touch. Steve Jobs was a big cheerleader for Improv. Do it, time for a little revenge on M$.
@PR – I don’t think that’s the kind of formula Sam is talking about. When you mention “cells” you’re talking about a formula in a spreadhseet, where you’re taking numbers in other cells and performing some arithmetic computation on them to get a result for the cell you’re in.
What I think Sam is talking about is “Equation Editor”, something that would allow one to
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TheloniusMac is absolutely correct. Microsoft’s strategy was always to stake out a territory and get so entrenched it would be impossible to supplant them.
So absolutely, the people who have Word will keep using it. BUT
and this is useful to understand I think. Microsoft has a long history of totally missing paradigm shifts. They completely misunderstood the internet, don’t really get (still!) gaming (xbox is a steaming pile of junk), and never really figured out how tablet computing would work. They never understood SEARCH for god’s sake.
They don’t grasp ease of use (Bob was a legendary disaster), and have protected their turf (and profits) through licensing and increasing complexity. That road has to end somewhere. The trend is not toward “harder to use” anymore. As the technologies move forward they will get easier, more “self repairing” (really…they will), and be open and more interchangeable.
@PR
thanks for the links !
actually, the one for Keynote might be useful, I will try that out although I do not like LaTex.
the one for Pages seems to be for doing numerical calculations, which is not what I need. I need printed formulas.
I wonder why Apple does not simply offer a formula editor like the one they already have in Grapher. That one already covers 95% of my needs.
@Mormegil
I don’t know Visio, but I know I have no use fot Project or Access.
@ SamLowry: You can get MathType, which fortunately integrates with all iWork apps (not to mention rotten ol’ M$ apps).
@Rhinehard,
Yes I get what you are saying…This might help then.
http://news.dessci.com/2009/01/apple-picks-mathtype-as-the-equation-editor-for-iwork-09.html
http://dessci.com/en/support/mathtype/workswith/iwork.htm
@ Rheinhard
yep, you got me. OK, next time I say “equation editor”.
For a lot of companies, Office will always be used because Excel blows anything else out of the water. There is just so much you can do with it that cannot be done with Numbers or OpenOffice etc. Numbers is great for the home user who just needs simple, presentable spreadsheeting.
I really hope Office 2011 for Mac will have the capability to run macros. 2008 was a joke, a big step back from 2003, in typical Microsoft fashion.
Unfortunately, far too often, OpenOffice or Pages will not format Word files properly, and vice versa. Same with Numbers and Excel. Having a version of Office which is at least close to fully compatible with the Windows version remains a necessity for many (and even then, compatibility isn’t always 100%).
Now wasn’t Office 2011 also supposed to return VBA compatibility?
Word and Excel are both pretty well entrenched in most Enterprises. While Pages and Numbers will gladly do at least 90% of what 90% of all users actually need, that will not satisfy the “experts”, the ones who feel it is their duty to use every extraneous “feature” they can possibly apply. This is not a case of stupidity, but of pride and of job protection: if nobody else can even <u>support</u> their documents then maybe they won’t be the ones laid off.
There are certainly other solutions, workable solutions, that could help those who would replace these icons, but those have their own problems – like the Job Protection forces already entrenched, who may not even realize what they are doing.
@Steve Embalmer
“OmniPlan and OmniGraffle professional…
That only leaves MS-Access”
http://www.filemaker.com
I have never used Word in my life. PageMaker then inDesign. Oh – I’ve installed it a few times ON CLIENTS Macs. (Only way they would switch) I have the full Office Pro edition sitting in the drawer – right by that floppy disc collection that I can no longer view.
Microsoft can inject such differences any time they want. I would term this a “truce” not an end of the war.
Look at Office 2008 for the Mac and it’s non-conformance with the windows version. What on earth was the point of putting out software incompatible between Windoze and OS X? Microshaft does this type of thing on purpose, and being monday morning quarterback, its a darn good thing they did given the pile of you know what Vista was.
Office difference did help keep some customers in the Microshaft fold.
I’ve used Excel since version 1 on the Mac. These days I have a PC next to my Mac simply for running Excel 2007, as no other spreadsheet solution works for my requirements.
I would be happy if Microsoft mad Excel on the Mac the real Excel again, and not some hybrid nonsense. I even like the ribbon interface, and would like it in the Mac version (drop the legacy stuff please).
Once Visual Basic is restored my functions will work again (hurrah), and the only thing I’ll have to worry about is the likes of Reuters plug-in not being compatible (then again it’s not compatible with Windows 7 or 64-bit OSes either, and I have to run a VM for it anyway!)
Horseshit! It’s just another Trojan. And if you don’t think that Microsoft will somehow cripple Office 2011 (especially Outlook) then you really haven’t been paying attention the last 20 years!!
Wake up and stop enabling!
I can’t imagine that M$ will include Access in a future edition – as without it Office 11 Mac cannot surely be regarded as an equal for corporate use.
I die a little bit every time I have to use Office on an XP machine at work.
Like the German soldier’s peering out their bunkers as the Normandy invasion became apparent. All Balmer can see on the horizon are iPad’s locked and loaded with number’s. At $10 a pop Apples office application’s will invade the
market. This effort by Microsoft is to little to late!
Microsoft had and still have friends in high places. It should have been crippled with fines a long time ago.
The only reason Microsoft is doing Outlook is because Mail, Calendar, and AddressBook already support it for free. Same goes for the iPhone. Microsoft is just late to their own party.
Your take is completely wrong. It’s the business and business users that are shackled to MS Office afraid that they won’t be compatible w/ vendors, partners, clients or flat out refusing to learn something new.
Microsoft can go frak themselves.
Stupid games they play.
Guess way, their stupid games taught me how to live without them.
@theloniousMac
You’re right about the complex docs. I’ve been called in as a consultant many times to ‘fix’ problems of extreme instability in such Word and Excel docs. In the case of Excel, I have found that a solution was possible in FileMaker Pro, producing almost identical looking reports. Instability issues disappeared because it seems easier to scale to large data populations with a database.
With Word, clients were often pushing the formatting capabilities of Word beyond its limits in terms of numbers of elements needing careful formatting, alignment, line spacing etc etc. Word just cannot hack it without creaking groaning and crashing. The solution is often breaking the work into smaller docs or moving the whole shebang to InDesign.
On another note, whether for Mac or Windows, is anyone really interested in another Office version? I’m a reasonably ‘poer-user’ type but I still find Office 2003 (Win) and 2004 (Mac) to be more than I want in feature terms. Interested in your thoughts on this. If demand for Office declines through lack of need or interest in upgrades, that is one whole MS’ cash cow going into diminishing returns mode. Not a day too soon when it happens.
Office 2011? . . . Isn’t that more vaporware?
Does that old chestnut definition of insanity ring a bell to anyone here? . . . Of course it will be crippled.
I just feel sorry for those poor people from the Mac division of MS, like the ones Steve Jobs paraded onto the stage at a Keynote a couple of years back.
How do you think they feel, being in sight of greatness, and then having to be hobbled by their bosses into producing something of mediocrity?
“The only reason to use the bloated Office is if you’re stuck working at a place with dim-witted IT doofuses who’ve screwed their companies by shackling themselves to Microsoft “solutions.””
Yup, that’s me. It’s also called, “If you need to earn money for little luxuries like food and clothing.”
Apart from that small issue, iWork (which I’ve had for several years) still doesn’t cut it for me. As a single example, Pages doesn’t offer highlighting which I use extensively in my writing. Even NeoOffice has this feature now.
How can we survive without Word and Excel? The horror of having to think!
I disagree ENTIRELY with various comments here that say these ridiculous programs are somehow essential.
It can all be done on something else, and anyway, if a document is so complex, shouldnt we be trying to simplify it?
Or are we also supporting pointless complexity in all areas of our lives to avoid thinking and taking responsibility or to further the aims of various power structures in society that rely on obfuscation.
Lawyers, doctors and other charlatans are good examples of complexity where none is needed.
Office sucks.
“Needing” it is a myth.
Now that my connection through the VPN is working, Apple Mail, iCal and Address Book are all working for me connecting to Exchange both inside and outside the firewall. Outlook, why?
@DLMeyer and Derek in Milan
Try telling an engineering/consulting firm that the only reason they use complex Excel documents is because of pride and job security. They will laugh in your face. They would love to make things simple, but the reality is that real work is complicated, and often requires complex functions and analysis.
Next, you’ll be telling people that all companies will increase productivity by replacing their computers with iPads, because they can run iWork and are so easy to use! What a great idea!
Wrong again from the writer. Until Mac users are free of Active-X/.net/.aspx/Sharepoint/ that forces users to use Windows with Internet POS Explorer, the war will not end. We are still treated as 3rd class citizens.
I wish I could keep using Word 5.1… Tried WordPerfect then, but alas…
I use both iWork and Pages. Pages is superior for page layout things like placing figures into text and having them stay where they belong, but it is harder and slower to use particularly for text formatting, lacks some important features, doesn’t have the large collection of keyboard shortcuts that speed work, and is much less customizable (menus, keyboard shortcuts, toolbars, etc). In the end, for serious work, Word, bloated and slow to load as it is, is the more useful product. Beyond that MDN is dreaming if he thinks Pages will ever replace Word in the workplace as many above have clearly enunciated. If Apple wants the iWork suite to take hold they need to release a Windows version as they did for iTunes. This is especially needed for Keynote. Powerpoint is available on every computer hooked to a projector. If you want to use Keynote you have to drag your computer to every meeting, not just a flash drive with your talk.
“If you want to use Keynote you have to drag your computer to every meeting, not just a flash drive with your talk.”
Yes, that’s currently a major impediment to the use of Keynote, but I wonder if that might change when the iPad becomes available?
@Micro Me
No, it won’t. How will you hook your iPad up to the projector?
@Bongo
Well, I’m not sure. Some projector systems are totally “sealed”, but others will allow attachment. Since the iPad runs Keynote, Apple will presumably offer adaptors for attachment. Maybe I need to read the specs more carefully.
“Support for 1024 by 768 pixels with Dock Connector to VGA Adapter; 576p and 480p with Apple Component AV Cable; 576i and 480i with Apple Composite AV Cable”
Or am I misinterpreting something?
any fool using enourage will be delighted !!!
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@MDN
Your take is an ass. There are many, many features in Office that aren’t compatible with Pages or other apps. For example, Pages doesn’t handle auto-numbering in Word docs correctly.
I need to be able to work with Word files sent to me by others, and while I would love to stick to Pages, it can’t do the job. So keep working in your little bubble, MDN, the rest of us live in the real world.
And nice job insulting a good portion of your audience.
P.S.
Your iPhone app takes forever to load, crashes half the time I load it, and I can’t even see what I’m typing in he comment box.
Until excel for Mac has the same functionality as it does for windows, I’m stuck with windows. Sorry to say that there simply is no equivalent to excel out there.
@Micro Me
My point is that having to carry around adapters/keyboard docks defeats the whole idea of portability, and then the iPad essentially becomes a feature-stripped laptop that comes in many parts that you have to remember to bring with you. To me, a 5 pound Macbook/Macbook Pro is plenty portable enough, given the huge upgrade in functionality.
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Have you USED Microsoft Word on the Mac?
It may be the single most annoying piece of software ever written”
You apparently didn’t use the last version of Excel, which was a major regression in performance from the 2000 (!!!!) version. Seriously. I had .xls templates that I made in 202 that easily handled 10+ worksheets and 15+ graphs, and easily handled doing calculations and graphing datasets of over 100,000 points – totally fucked in the last version of excel. Files took 15-20 seconds to open, the formatting was completely ruined, and reformatting was a hit and miss proposition. Not just a mess, not just bloated, not just slow, but actually would wreck everything it came into contact with and couldn’t handle the job when I tried to make a new template.
I’ve like viruses more than I liked that version of excel.
@ Bongo
I already trundle my aging iBook around to presentations, and I’m usually allowed to connect. I agree that the laptop’s size is not too much of an imposition, but I think an iPad would be a step forward in portability, which I guess is the point I was trying to make.
And although Pages and Excel don’t cut it for me in the workplace, I regard Keynote as superior to Powerpoint. I use the latter only in case the system where I’m presenting is “sealed”, and will only accept ppt. on a stick.
For those seeking an equation editor solution compatible with Pages, the following may help, as they generate PDF. Other than trying to help, I derive no other gain from their mention.
google codecogs
google mathmagic
The first is an online interactive equation editor that generates a downloadable file. You do not need to know Latex as selecting icons generate the Latex code that simultaneously draws the downloadable equation. This location also offers a way to create equations in HTML using standard tags.
The second was updated last month and is a Snow Leopard compatible application. There is a fully functional download for evaluation by those that need serious equation support in iWork, Quark, InDesign, etc.
I use Pages exclusively. I borrowed the fonts from Microsoft’s OpenXML converter to provide cross-platform compatibility with Office 2003/2007 word files. Otherwise, no Microsoft software is installed.
Whoop’s I mean Pages and Numbers.
After Apple fixed the hole by adding Exchange support for Apple Mail, Microsloath had nothing to lose in making Outlook for Mac.
We have many of our team on Macs using either Apple Mail, or VMWare Fusion and Outlook Client.
Microsoft, this is too little, too late. F U !
Microsoft just hurt themselves with the move from Outlook to Entourage on a Mac. I just simply moved to another mail application other than MS’s.
Over the past years, I have moved many other computer switchers away from MS’s email mess called Entourage.
The sad part of this story, Entourage is a great application with many things that I liked. If MS would just build great products and not play this “we win by making you lose” they would not be is so much trouble.
Big mistake, MS, very big mistake!
Pages is superior for page layout things like placing figures into text and having them stay where they belong, but it is harder and slower to use particularly for text formatting, lacks some important features…
Absolutely. And for writers, Word has an all important running word count. You have to stop and go into the document inspector to get that in Pages.
I’ve also run into problems exporting even a modestly formatted Pages document into Word. It sometimes cuts the last line on a page in half vertically.
I never *upgraded* from Office 2004 to Office 2008 because I kept reading the 2008 version actually ran slower for many people than Office 2004 for Mac. I’ll look at reviews for Office 2011 when it comes out and may pick it up if it fixes the problems of Office 2008.
“the incompatibility must be considered intentional.”
Well, duh! How else can they keep an unearned monopoly afloat?
After MDNs naive, pigheaded response, he has actually made me want to go buy an Office product.
And for the record, I doubt any of you own more Apple products than I do or have changed over 1/2 of a medium-sized enterprises computers to Mac. Nor have you changed over a fleet of BlackBerries to iPhones. I say I doubt it. Some of you may have.
But just to hear an ignorant, asinine comment made by MDN….well it’s laughable and just downgrades their journalistic worthiness.
My organization is wedded to Office and Sharepoint This isn’t gong to change. However, increasingly, my organization is ‘encouraging’ telework which at my age and stage in my career is quite attractive.
I am a dedicated apple user since 1985(never personally owned a window box), but have had to use Microsoft stuff every workday (painful). However, if owning a copy of Office for my Mac will allow me to work seamlessly from home vis-a-vis exchange, It might be worth it to me. Realistically, I could telework twice a week, and I would quickly recoup the cost of the purchase of the copy of Office.
IWorks for me, Office for the Office.
The more that I’ve seen Mac Office 2011 marketing hype stories in the news this month, the more that I notice the conspicuous absence of certain key statements.
Q1: Has Microsoft OFFICIALLY stated that Excel does indeed have its Visual Basic restored — as was previously promised?
Q2: If MS is going to claim “parity”, this sure as hell had better include Outlook – – and include .PSD files that are either 100% format compatible, or that there’s a stand-alone MS conversion app (that’s TWO way), and not be the lame prior BS of trying to figure out how to have two active & valid email accounts so that you can follow MS’s extremely lame “upload all PSD contents back onto the Exchange server and then re-download them” prior practice.
Q3: Parity also includes MS-Access for the Mac. Yes, I know that its dog food, but it has infected the workplace and there’s no way around it. So is there Mac-Access? Simply yet another simple YES or NO question.
Q4: When we get into business tools, there’s two more: Internet Explorer and MS-Project. AFAIC, MS-Project still sucks because its a schedule-driven manager, not event-driven. In this regards, the PERT-based approach of MacProject (1984-1993) was still vastly superior. We know that MS-Project/Mac was killed back in 1993…is it going to return? Again, Yes or No.
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Pen me down as another non-fan of MS, and one who avoids buying from them on principle; yet at the same time, until you provide me a serious contender to Excel, you can pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Anyone who says that *anyone* can live with, make do, or otherwise replace it with other types of tools, including Filemaker, which I use and love, are simply ignorant.
Yes, most people don’t need snowblowers; shovels are all they need for their tiny piece of land; and yet others who can live with a $300 Toro really can be more efficient and cost effective with a $1K John Deere. Still more people require caterpillar-grade gear.
Try telling your city streets manager, or the crews at a ski resort all they need is a 10HP belt-driven walk-behind blower.
The simple truth is, some people do need, not just needlessly create complex spread sheets, and those sheets help run corporations and drive insanely high profits and income for the spreadsheet makers, shareholders, managers and employees alike.
I have tried many, many, many alternatives to Excel, Word, Entourage, Outlook, et al; and sometimes in my personal life, or in less complex businesses, can indeed make a transition to or build fresh from simpler, less costly, more elegant and palatable software.
Then there are times with MS proves why it still rules in big and small business IT alike, and it is *not* just an entrenched, brainwashed attitude. Excel has been king, on Mac and PC alike, since version one. It currently sucks on Mac, and until they return to VBS, hate it or love it, despite its suckiness, Excel 2004 for Mac is still better than Numbers, and can do more things, even if it can’t make them as pretty, and so pretty in so little time.
Guess what? For my most complex needs right now, I use Excel 2007 under Fusion for the back-end, then AppleScript into Numbers and Keynote for the final presentation. It would take easily three times as long to do it in Numbers and Filemaker (and you can forget about Bento for what we do) for a pure-Mac workflow.
Hate ’em if you want, but MS still has a lock on some of the best solutions for those who need them, and based on my income, which is not in the least threatened by choosing MS over Mac anything, tells me I’m nothing near a fool, masochist, or an idiot.
Learn to use the best tools, and set blind religion aside, and you will sleep, eat and live better.
Until they include MS-Access (ironically based on the multiplatform Foxbase) they are still treating Mac users as second class citizens!
I’ve been a Mac user since 1997 and I wouldn’t go back to a PC (pissy). But I do admit that I like Word and Excel and think that especially Excel beats Numbers, Neo Office and Open Office in many ways. Of course, some things are better in the other programs but for intensive work with spreadsheets, Excel is still ahead. What sucks in general about text editing and spreadsheet programs is that there is still not one universal file format. So even if one doesn’t need some of the Excel features, one may be stuck with Excel to exchange files for editing. I’m sorry but Numbers just doesn’t do such a good job in saving as .xls. – But other than these two programs, I would not use anything from MS!
if u can do everything u need in the limited Pages and particularly Numbers -more power to you. There are still lots of us that need the extra good stuff in Excel which might be the best MS app ever and probably always will be. I won’t be getting office for Mac tho – i prefer keeping the MS stuff in it’s lil Parallels sandbox
It will be great for the masses so they will be a little less afraid of switching, but no one needs office anymore, there are better alternatives for free, and iWork blows office away, ms is scrambling to have office that is actaully usable on the ipad, and mac os, no thank u
Wow definately no love from MDN on this one!
Does anyone know how to convert Mac Classic OS version MS Outlook saved email files to any other Mac format? I have only read about Windows version MS Outlook to Mac converters, which will not work for my saved files. I wonder if this new Mac OSX MS Outlook program will be able to interpret the mysterious and cryptic .pst format files?? Any thoughts??
Micro Me : How would you show a powerpoint slideshow without a PC in a meeting from a flash drive? Not a good argument.
Bongo : If you can connect an iPhone to a projector from 30 pin connection cable, the iPad will connect too.