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Apr 25, 08 - 09:34 am Comment from: ron

MDN is loading really quickly today. Someone took their foot of the out cable. Great!

how is a .5 rating drop that 'far from perfect' ?
According to my calculations, that puts it in the 90th percentile.
4.5 x 20 = 90

Apr 25, 08 - 09:52 am Comment from: IKON

MDN, you are a little too harsh in your comment about the long documents. The editor complains about Vista, not Leopard.

About the windows-centricness: After all PC stands for Personal Computer.

I would have to agree... the below quote seems to be directed against Vista, not Apple Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (cough).

"Mendelson reports, "Leopard again raises the question of whether to switch from Windows to a Mac. I've found Vista to be a major disappointment that tends to look worse the more I use it. I still use Windows XP for getting serious work done in long, complicated documents.""

@IKON & Steve516

You are not getting the point. The writer thinks he still needs XP to edit long documents which is why MDN states that this is no problem on MacOS X.

Apr 25, 08 - 10:02 am Comment from: John

Ya know, that "I use XP to work on long, complicated documents" crap really annoys me! I've been using a Mac since 1984 to do TONS of long, complicated things, including my senior research paper on millisecond pulsars (including all computer simulations and other programming work), back in 1987, my MA thesis and Ph.D. dissertation in the early-mid 90s, and 10 books (with the 11th on the way later this year) on 3D animation and related topics.

Oh, and 3D animation, video editing (HD lately), sound design/composing/alteration, photographic manipulation, and on and on.

I have never _once_ used a PC to do any of this work (except sometimes at school back in the later 90s, when I was forced to), and I have never had any feeling that I was somehow hamstrung by not using Windows.

Stating that in order to do complex work you need a PC is FUD, pure and simple, and it's time people called out authors who throw garbage sentences like that into their work!

Mmmm, I'm in a bad mood this morning

What IS all the 'pervasive eye-candy, that 'starts out looking dazzling but soon becomes distracting.'???

It seems to me that OSX has far less 'eye candy' than Vista has.

Anyone like to fill me in on what he might be talking about? And what options has he 'turned off'?

Anyone?

..."I still use Windows XP for getting serious work done in long, complicated documents."

Wot, like notices saying that the toilet is out of order!!!

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Apr 25, 08 - 10:18 am Comment from: Harvey

It takes a while to switch from one OS to the other, particularly in finding substitutes for all the applications you use. Long documents is just something he hasn't found a way to do yet. The deadline for the review was driven by other issues. It didn't give him enough time to switch over completely.

One day very soon, someone will call him a Mac fanboi, and he'll discover that they're right.

That's tellin' em John!

Apr 25, 08 - 10:24 am Comment from: Spark

Off topic....
I just saw a TV commercial on CNN for Forbes Magazine promoting its new issue: Most Admired Companies.
Steve Jobs is on the cover, with the subhead:
"Apple is Number 1"

Wow.. look at all Apple has accomplished..

They came from the bottom of the barrel.. where there stock was once selling for 30 bucks a pop.. and now look at them.. iTunes, the second biggest music seller in the world, iPod, the MP3 market dominator that came from left field, now the most popular player ever created. iPhone, the most hyped cell phone gadget ever released. Mac OS X Leopard, best operating system ever made, and confirmed by every reviewer including PC Magazine. And finally Apple and Steve Jobs, on the cover of Forbes as the most admired company of the present.

Apple Has Come A Long Long Way.

Oh, and that was from my iPod =D.

Long Live Apple.

Apr 25, 08 - 10:57 am Comment from: Cubert

"Leopard is extravagantly overdressed for the jobs that it's designed to do, and its pervasive eye-candy starts out looking dazzling but soon becomes distracting."

I've never thought that at all. I like Apple's move toward a 3-D looking OS. The graphics of OS X still blow away Fista's candy-like crap!

Anyone else watch the Leopard video review mentioned at the end of the review?

The host of the video presentation (Oliver Rist) is different from the author and he says he is going back to Tiger from Leopard.

Some of his compliants include:
1) Annoying TV commercials - he looks like the PC Guy
2) Spaces - on multiple monitors
3) Firewall
4) Leopard crashes often
5) Time Machine - Gloss over function Setting up Time Machine is hard. ( What???????)
6) Removal of Black Triangles in favor of blue dot - okay he's got a point here.

He likes:
1) Coverflow
2) Spaces

Well at least he didn't say he's moving back to Windows.

Peace.

Apr 25, 08 - 11:30 am Comment from: alansky

I still use Windows XP for getting serious work done in long, complicated documents."

What a load of smelly, unadulterated crap!

After saying that he uses XP for "long complicated documents" the author says that he uses OS X for "Web-browsing, mail, and... graphics, music, or video."

The MDN take is spot on.

Apr 25, 08 - 11:39 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

Excellent point about the 'long, complicated documents'. Windows kicks serious long document ass—always has, always will.

Your namby pamby little toy MACs are *maybe* adequate for rinky dink movie editing for the smug Hollywood elite, or *maybe* could pass for a little image retouching computer for pretentious ad agencies. The rubber meets the road when it comes to pounding out a white paper in Microsoft Word—which we all know is only possible on a Windows machine. Suck it, MAC dorks.

Your potential. Our passion.™

I'm a Mac fanboi, but when I used a Mac in a business setting we had to keep a PC around to check that Powerpoint presentations created on a Mac looked right on a PC. Often they didn't. This kind of thing encourages people to save time by working on a PC to start with if most of the people you're sending the document to will be on PC's. This is completely out of Apple's control but it was a real factor for me.

Apr 25, 08 - 11:49 am Comment from: iamdj

I didn't realize so many gamers wrote "long, serious documents"?

Apr 25, 08 - 11:51 am Comment from: iamdj

@Zune Tang

Hilarious. Best take in a long time.

Dude...it says Apple. I'd rather it say Apple than Mac. What more do you want MDN!?! WHAT MORE????

(cheese)

@Norm
All that means is that M$ half-assed the job on Powerpoint... as usual.

Apr 25, 08 - 12:25 pm Comment from: James

"But OS X is easier to manage and maintain and I vastly prefer OS X to Windows for Web-browsing, mail, and especially for any task that involves graphics, music, or video"

I remember when these very things were the perceived weaknesses of the Mac OS to most Windows folks (though we knew better all along). My how things have changed. Unbelievable, and very cool. Buh bye, MS.

And to think there people out there still buying PC's!

I guess that's as good a way as any to burn money up!

Apr 25, 08 - 01:24 pm Comment from: HazMatt

MDN: Leopard is perfectly capable of "getting serious work done in long, complicated documents." That is a meaningless sentence inserted in a weak and failed attempt to assuage PC Magazine's Windows-centric readership.

Nameless MDN Editor, you don't know what Mendelson meant by that sentence, and I'm willing to bet that those long complicated documents were done on XP for good reason.

One could say that the "MacDailyNews Takes" dispersed throughout most of these news stories are banal, elitist attempts to incite MDN's Mac-centric readership.

Oohh, nice one Zune Tang! You are on today, yo.

Maybe the long documents are for cleaning up after that other thing teenage one-handed typists want a computer for. Just guessing . . . .

My Long Complicated whatever needs some serious attention from a serious operative.

Apr 25, 08 - 10:04 pm Comment from: Rip Ragged

@Zune Tang.

Thank you for putting it all in perspective. If you have to stare at long, monotonous drudgery, why spend all that extra money on a Mac when Windows is perfectly capable. Who notices "eye candy" when there's work to do? Schlubs.

It's the best and yet I can't refresh a directory view after a new file is added (the little Applescript addon didn't work either) and Connect to Server won't allow me to upload files to a remote ftp directory.