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Aug 20, 08 - 09:02 am Comment from: shen

but Stephen Colbert's concerns are real!!!!!11!!!1!!!!zomgelevntyone!

Aug 20, 08 - 09:11 am Comment from: thethirdshoe

That's a great video.

Isn't this killswitch (the one found recently) there to STOP malicious apps from tracking a user's location? Isn't it PRO-privacy?

Or, of they're talking about the other killswitch (which nobody has found but Apple had stated exists) then it's there for security--removal of malicious apps. Which means PRO-privacy too!

The only "monitoring" here is that Apple knows what apps you have downloaded. Well, duh. You bought them from Apple with your account!

Apple's user's privacy hasn't been a major concern for them and it should be because we as consumers demand privacy and security using their products

For instance when you "register" a new Mac, it puts your name everywhere in the computer, places you don't expect which gets exposed to the internet and networks to be sniffed.

The iPhone has been a NSA/spooks dream, with their hacks into AT&T;'s networks and the iPhone's continued insecurity, makes everything you place on a iPhone PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE!!

Most of Apple's applications contact the internet, for some thing or another. For instance AddressBook contacts Apple even if YOU DON'T HAVE A DOT MAC (now MobileME) account.

Get Little Snitch for your Mac and install it. It catches all the outgoing "phone homes" (delete the factory allowances) and you'll be amazed!!

Of course IntelMac's have EFI, which is a OS like firmware level with it's own partition on the drive and can access the internet/hard drive without your OS or you even knowing about it.

A little present from the Wintel Alliance, Trusted Computing. Where THEY DON'T TRUST YOU!!

Same with the iPhone, THEY DON'T TRUST YOU!!

That's why Cisco (of the NSA router backdoor fame) got involved with the "iPhone" trademark with Apple.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html

Aug 20, 08 - 10:20 am Comment from: G4Dualie

Raving MacHead is just a tad paranoid, doncha tink? When was the last time you checked under your crib?

@Raving MacHead

Put on your tinfoil hat! Stat!

Put on your tinfoil hat! Stat!

I never took mine off. Because you know, they sneak the "rays" in when you least expect it. ; )


But seriously, there are many, like myself, that need a *cough* higher level of privacy than Apple currently provides. (I'm famous BTW)

It's NOT NORMAL to have your personal information just thrown around carelessly. People indeed do steal identities, which in my case would result in the loss of many people's jobs if they got access to certain funds with a insecure computer system.

There is a Apple provided Security PDF floating around that even states not to place Personal Identifying Information into Mac computers.

Here it is

MacOSX_Leopard_Security_TB.pdf

I'm sure you can Google it for yourself.

Aug 20, 08 - 10:47 am Comment from: BC Kelly

Some interesting observations presented, not so much with the 'kill switch' - but privacy in general

You'll have to do your own googling on this now, sorry, but was a recent report (at CBS/AP/?) talking with some big wig in US Gov (Homeland Security?) who said, in essence, do not take a cell phone to China - even when you have it turned off, "they" can tap into your phone, turn on the microphone, and listen to your conversation.

Sounds far fetched to me, and I chalked it up to some Gov Security guy trying to justify his job and existence by spreading FUD about the boogie man. Next he'll tell us to get out the foil hats to wear on our heads while we watch TV.

But, in light of what Raving MacHead says, am starting to develop some questions. Might be some truth in these tales.

MacHead, if you are not truly 'Raving'

Would you, and/or anyone else with insight of these matters, please provide additional info ?

In meantime, just in case, let me go find that foil hat ...


Thanks, BC

"That's why Cisco (of the NSA router backdoor fame) got involved with the "iPhone" trademark with Apple."

That's an enormous pile of steaming horse shit.

http://blogs.cisco.com/news/comments/update_on_ciscos_iphone_trademark/

"This lawsuit is about Cisco’s obligation to protect its trademark in the face of a willful violation. Our goal was collaboration. The action we have taken today is about not using people’s property without permission."

Amazingly, your usual zero level of credibility has plunged deep into negative numbers.

According to the makers of rEFIt, the EFI partition on Intel Mac's is empty from the factory. But it can be filled later by a update or by a third party (sudo) install of application.

http://refit.sourceforge.net/myths/

So the groundwork is being laid, the screams and horrors to come later when PPC is dead and gone.

Wiki EFI yourself.

"This lawsuit is about Cisco’s obligation to protect its trademark in the face of a willful violation. Our goal was collaboration. The action we have taken today is about not using people’s property without permission."

Oh poo, corporate mumbo jumbo.

Who the fsck trademarks "iPhone" after Apple has already used the "i" for "iMac" "iPods" and so on and then doesn't produce the Cisco "iPhone".

Yea someone who wanted Apple to "play ball" and ease up on their security. We got a insecure iPhone and now EFI ratting computers.

The Wintel/NSA alliance has won.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html

I won't say anymore about this subject, but people should be aware they cannot trust their computers or phones to do as they expect.

But of the two major OS makers, Apple is better than Microsoft in this regard. But not good enough in my opinion.

"That's why Cisco (of the NSA router backdoor fame) got involved with the "iPhone" trademark with Apple."
Umm, no, CIsco got involved with the iPhone trademark issue because it pounced all over Cisco's already produced hardware name: i.e. the iPhone. Not really sure what the whole NSA thing is about, but apparently you are more informed than I am.

"Who the fsck trademarks "iPhone" after Apple has already used the "i" for "iMac" "iPods" and so on and then doesn't produce the Cisco "iPhone"." Apparently, Apple, since the iPhone had already been trademarked by Cisco, but hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

" . . .let's not let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory."

Good one!

Ironically, Raving Lunatic hasn't noticed the unmarked van that's been sitting in front of his house for the last six weeks.

"I won't say anymore about this subject"

Liar. Yes you will. You do it every chance you get. You probably have lots of shares of Alcoa (NYSE: AA).

Again, we should be so lucky but your compulsion owns you.

"Oh poo, corporate mumbo jumbo."

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present Miss Agnes Moorhead.

@ Nick Fury:
Love the Agnes Moorehead reference.

Aug 20, 08 - 12:37 pm Comment from: silverwarloc

@Nick Fury:
I see that you've been Bewitched:-)

@ raving mac head

if youre so paranoid about the security problems on a mac, go get a gateway or something.
and quit perusing the porn sites.
then your fame will remain anonymous.

MDN word days

Youre "days" are numbered

Why yes, Durwood.

Aug 20, 08 - 01:22 pm Comment from: AAPLguy

@Raving MacHead

"There is a Apple provided Security PDF floating around that even states not to place Personal Identifying Information into Mac computers.

Here it is

MacOSX_Leopard_Security_TB.pdf

I'm sure you can Google it for yourself."

Um, I did google this and read the entire document. This is a marketing document listing Mac OS X's security features. I did not find any instructions of any kind in it, much less instructions to "not to place Personal Identifying Information into Mac computers". What part of this document did I miss? List a page number and section title.

http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/MacOSX_Leopard_Security_TB.pdf

@Nick
I always like the short role in the "Twilight Zone". Invade this.........

Nice reference, drackmere.

"This is the woman who lives in the house, a woman who's been alone for many years, a strong, simple woman whose only problem up until this moment has been that of acquiring enough food to eat, a woman about to face terror which is even now coming at her from the Twilight Zone."

And anyone that says, "oh poo" and "mumbo jumbo" should be wearing heavy blue eyeliner and a purple feather boa. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Aug 20, 08 - 05:01 pm Comment from: BC Kelly

Interesting thread here



I won't try to defend or argue, pro or con, anything said by Raving MacHead or any others

I don't have enough specific information or current technical expertise


However

I will defend the CONCEPT, as I understand it, presented by Raving MacHead



We Apple types have to be careful not to get complacent or lazy

Yes, to my knowledge, we've never had a real hack/worm/virus affect Mac/Apple

And are indications this would be extremely unlikely, if not outright impossible, due to the nature of OSX

But software is only 1/2 the formula - can be a lot of voodoo in the hardware, things we may might not know about

And with intro of iPhone - we now have another platform, more/different chips, and involves ATT among others - plus, can we truly trust ATT/MaBell/TPC ?



So, although we probably don't need to put a tinfoil hat on top of our iMac or other gizmos - or start to panic

We do need to always stay awake, be prepared, and ...

Never let Pride nor Hubris be our downfall

(that's Microsoft's fate)



Thanks, BC