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I have legally downloaded music from the iTMS playing on my car stereo. I don't own an iPod. I paid for all of my CDs. Who got Robbed?

Eat another donut fatty

one monkey boy quoting another it appears lol.

A guy with first name "Rob" calls others thieves..

MDN word: Think. Think before you talk.

iTunes is number 1 fat boy so you better get over it. Calling anyone who uses an iPod a thief sure isn't going to win over any business for you anymore than your crappy subscription service does now Glasier man.

So iPods are not interoperable.
If they were interoperable they would do that by their users stealing music.
Since they're not interoperable iPod users obviously don't steal music.
They do though since not all music on iPods is purchased online therefore it must have been downloaded in some illegal fashion or copied from friends, who of course are likely to be thieves as well so they obviously didn't even buy the CD themselves anyway.

His own logic doesn't even fit together.

Personally I've never downloaded any song from p2p - apart from the themes to pigeon street and various other tv shows from my youth. I don't have them on my iPod though, haven't listened to them since and even if I could have bought them wouldn't and would have just gone without. I'm not justifying it - just qualifying it.

Apple iPod owners call Real CEO Glaser a big fat F#%@Tard

"One could look at Real and say you are becoming the Sun Microsystems of players"

Glacier is more like the Scott McNealy of Sun.

Rob Glaser is an idiot, his software is an offence to my brain and you have to pay a subscription every year to keep using it.

I could stop buying music from iTMS, never connect my Mac to the internet again and my music would still play 10 years from now.

Can't say the same about Real, can we?

Get Real, Real. BTW, when are you going to get flushed down the toilet?

And people with RealNetworks players have never burned a CD (their own, or borrowed), or downloaded a song from a peer-to-peer network to get music onto their devices?

All of the music on my iPod I've paid for - having bought the CD's over the last two decades, and now bought from the iTMS.

It's easy when your failing to sell your product to blame others for that failure (just ask Bill and MonkeyBoy...)

While its not legal, sharing music with friends often ends with the friend buying the original CD. Unfortunately, music these days is expensive for what you actually get.

JL

I have mostly legal songs in iTunes. I have ripped some friends CD's but I would not have purchased them.

I have 346 songs on my Nano, about 50 of which were downloaded from iTMS. The rest are from my own CD/LP collection. I didn't copy from anyone else. I'm no thief. Rob is only trying to divert attention away from his own troubles.

Where is that 25/iPod figure from? Is it based on number of purchases from the iTunes store? I've only purchased a dozen or so tracks from the iTunes store, but have ripped my entire CD collection.

Besides, I don't need an iPod to illegally download music (moron).

Just curious.

We're all theives and law breakers

Stop your gobbling. He's right and you know it. It's not necessarily relevant, but it's accurate.

Safe bet that half your music wasn't purchased in any fashion by you. Those of you who say you've never copied music from a friend or d/led illegally, that's okay.. there's someone else out there who's never purchased legally and they balance you out.

I've got no idea what his point is, but he's telling the truth.

yeah, that's true - I don't own any of my own CDs.

In fact before the iPod came around i didn't even know music existed.

But once Apple got me savvy to music and it's "iPod" i downloaded my 25 from the music store and pirated the rest - Arrrrrrgggggggghhhhh!

Real smart Real Ass. Call all those millions of customers you wish you had thieves. That'll bring'em in.

Wrong! I don't steal music. I purchased abount 100 songs and loaded my CD's for the rest. Apple's model works fine for me. There may be a song I hear on the radio that reminds me of the early days-then I rush home an buy that one song. Usually, the remaining songs on that album aren't of interest to me. The one's that are I have already purchased as CD's and are loaded.

Rob Glasser is a Fat F___ !

MDN wrote: " If Steve Jobs had a forklift, he could have literally handed Glaser's ass to him, instead of just doing it figuratively."

Upon reading that line, I sprayed my monitor, keyboard, and mouse with Diet Coke and now I have to call for maintenance. How am I to explain this?

Luckily, I'm at work and it's all Dell junk - not my Apple Mac equipment at home.

Get real, Rob.

Give me a break.

Show me one MP3 player that doesn't have some if not hundreds of songs copied from friends and family CD's.

If anyone in this room says no they're a liar.

Cut the holier than though crap.

This guy is an idiot. My little family unit owns four ipods, none of which contain any illegal music. Individuals who choose to obtain music/movies/etc illegally certainly are not limited to those who own ipods. ipods are the greatest thing that ever happened for legal downloads.

Now the about the comment regarding Sun Micro, while apropos in a way, I have fond memories of Sun workstations... none about Real though.

so let's say the iPod suddenly opens up and allows all formats and DRMs to be played on it .. so then those people would stop stealing ?

Sounds just like a cat or maybe a rat caught in a corner with no where to go....

Attack is the best form of defence, but this tool has taken it a step further.

For all the other widgets saying he is right, like Mr. PC Apologist, you can go join him if you think that only iPod owners illegally download music. Get real, no pun intended, everyone has at some stage done that, but to single out iPod owners and crap on them that you really are a TOOL.

Kind Regards

Leo

>But it's the only way to get non-copy protected, portable, interoperable >music.

Odd, I have about 300 tracks purchased from emusic that are non-copy protected, portable and interoperable. I like getting tracks from emusic because I'm buying them, but also I don't have to worry about which computers are authorized to play the tracks--the five computer limit isn't a problem unless you have more than five computers!

The labels are creating the problem by demanding DRM wrappers.

The line I likes was that "..many iPod owners use Rhapsody".

Can't say I've met one.

The only "truth" to Glasier's statements is that some people are still downloading music they didn't pay for. But I don't see how the iPod is unique in perpetuating illegal music downloads. All other music players that play MP3's can play stolen music. Apple has put in a good faith effort to minimize file duplication with their DRM. However, both Mac and Windows user can P2P all the files they want and play them on any device. It's hardly all Apple's fault for having the most popular player.

Clearly, Glasier has "jumped the shark". Figuratively. I doubt he's jumped over anything at all in the past 20 years.

/yes, I made a fat joke.
//wouldn't be so easy if Glasier wasn't a fat joke himself.
///damn! I did it again!
////i like slashes.
/////and pie.

Here's my take on this:
Since MS and now Real are saying iPod owners steal their music it's obvious to me that this is going to be the new ATTACk on Apple/iPod - Their message: "Apple condones stealing BUT we (Real/MS) are protecting the Music Labels and they are your savior."

This will be the FUD attack on iPods; we know how MS is FUD'ing the Mac via the FUD on virus/mal-ware.

Too bad they can't compete on product and have to make up stories.

BTW: Not ALL iPod owners rip music from illegal sources.

And, what about the other MP3 players, I have a feeling that they probably represent a greater portion of illegally ripped music.
(IMHO)

What is his point? Apple has offered multiple ways to load your iPod with legal music. You can rip the music from your CDs, you can buy music from iTMS, or you can create your own in Garage Band. There are also illegal means, which Apple does not endorse. All of these illegal means are also available for any other MP3 player on the market.

So, do you paint "all" iPod owners with the same brush, stating that because illegal means are available, we must all be pirates? I've got about 2500 songs on my iPod. All are on there by legal means. His comment is tantamount to saying that all automobile drivers are criminals because you can speed and run red lights in the car!

I was hoping my magic word would be 'pies'!

25 legit songs sold on iPods? from the iTunes Store? He is so full of CACA! That came out to 50 million songs. Uh.....excuse me.....over ONE BILLION songs were sold on iTunes, fekken idiot! Do you math. He is "mathematically not true" as he put it.

As Steve Jobs has always said....most people have already had many many many store bought music CD's accumulated over the years they are going to rip those in iTunes. And so WHAT if they borrow a friends CD...its un-enforceable and between two parties and none of ones business.

And I guess the (Apple iPod/iTunes success) stress is getting to him....he looks like he gained.

"Vose dampf (gulp) iFod...(swallow) Uvervs are feeves".

Would someone get Rob a glass of milk next time?

Sorry....that figure is 2 million iPods sold as Apple put it this is back in 2004 mind you!

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/06ipodmomentum.html

"About half the music on iPods is music obtained illegitimately either from an illegal peer-to-peer networks or from ripping friends' CDs, which is illegal."

He forgot about songs ripped from rental CDs. Lots of CD rental shops here in Japan.

There are no illegal songs on any Real player because the company employs staff who follow their customers around and watch them closely. Both of them.

Cannot find the exact figure to date of iPods sold. 14 million +?

When iTunes first appeared...I ripped all my legally purchased CDs I had...over 600 of them...then I started to fill in gaps in my collection. Songs I wanted...but would never buy on CD because it was one song among crap...buying a CD is to expensive just to get one song.

Now I'm an iTunes Junkie...on average I buy 1-2 songs a day...and have now since it launched. It wasn't until last July I got an iPod and it was a gift. I buy the songs to listen on my computer while I work...I don't travel much so I didn't need an iPod and even now that I have one I don't use it much.

But you correlation between legal music purchases and iPod sales is spurious at best. You don't have to own an iPod to buy music online.

Now if you excuse me...it's time for me to drink some coffee and buy some music...or maybe some tv shows...but I guess I have to buy a video iPod before I buy those right?

Magic Word: ten - as in the amount of Big Macs Rob can shove in his mouth at one time - 10.

I've often wondered what percentage of Real's revenue is passed on to the content creators and rights holders. Apple are very open about that and say that about two thirds gets passed on. I've often looked, but yet to find any figure specifying the proportion of their revenue that Real pass on to the labels and artists.

Why are Real so reluctant to quote a figure ? Could it be that Real are the people who are stealing music on a colossal scale and then renting it to their customers while leaving the artists with virtually nothing ? Glaser's groundless accusations would be consistent with the actions of a desperate man with something to hide.

Glaser has brought up allegations of stolen music, now he should produce figures to prove how trustworthy his company is.

Bitter? Table for one. Bitter?






MDN "small" as in ...

"Would someone get Rob a glass of milk next time?"

Rob doesn't drink regular milk -- heavy cream only, please.

Someone should slap his thighs with a large banana !!! What a moron !

If I were Apple, I would buy Real and then shut it down. Convert their users to iTunes and Quicktime and be done with it. Put fatty out of a job and have him go crawling to Microsoft begging for a management job.

Yeah, I "stole" every single one of the 2,000 songs on my iPod. I "stole" them from the iTMS and I "stole" them over en enture weekend of ripping every damned one of the 700 CDs I had collected since 1988 and filled up a FW HD. Now, if this fat bastard wants to tell me I "stole" them, go right ahead.

Maybe Glaser should sit there for 20 hours and rip CDs all freaking weekend. It's probably the most exercise he has gotten in the past 20 years.

Ampar: from the looks of him I think he ATE Scott Mcneally. What an idiot.

Gee, could the other songs on my ipod possibly be from CDs that I actually OWN??!!

Rob Glaser should start an online petition in an effort to get Apple to make iPods interoperable with RealPlayer software. I bet Real's faithful fans would fill the petition with gushing adoration for Ron and the wonderful RealPlayer.

"Cannot find the exact figure to date of iPods sold. 14 million +?" - closer to 43 million

(sorry for the doubleposting)

The really funny thing is that Glaser's logic can be extended just as easily to players using WMA.

In terms of songs I'm a lightwieght with just 1,500 (+/-). But every one of them came from a CD I purchassed, or from iTMS.

BTW, I rarely buy a new CD anymore. They are just too expensive, and hardly ever have more than two tracks you really want. Mostly I pick them up at yard sales, which is a legal purchase.

Fron the article: "our view is to make Real Music a great product with differential features such as user-generated content"

User-generated content... like podcasts? Wouldn't that be revolutionary!

... with the blues, I hear you moan.


mw: "meet" rhymes with jabba's litany of little feats

deedubya: "Show me one MP3 player that doesn't have some if not hundreds of songs copied from friends and family CD's. If anyone in this room says no they're a liar."

Grow up, we're not all pimply faced school aged children like yourself. Like Rob you think there is has to be a one size fits all model for iPod users. I'm 46, haven't bought a CD in over 10 years. Not because I'm stealing but because I've bought every CD I care to own long before iTunes was even a dream. I have about 150 CD's, yet only chose to put 5 on my iPod because the iPod to me is just a podcast playback device. Mostly news, technology, and science. Don't think there's ever been a time I listened to more than 20 minutes of music on it in a single day. Still think I'm a a liar?