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The problem is that Real has nothing to offer. Why partnet with someone who has nothing to add?

If I had a wma player, I'd be scared silly after reading that m$ "plans a major upgrade later this summer." Should've gotten an iPod.

Glaser is a bit of a blowhard. I keep hearing his quotes, but don't hear any Real music. (Pun intended)

Does this guy ever shut up??? Talk about your sour grapes. Geez, no wonder Steve Jobs told him to take a hike...

The guy is an idiot - no wonder the Real player software is so bad with a CEO like that.

What do you expect, he came out of Microsoft and used to be a good friend of Gates and Ballmer. Wonder if ballmer taught him how to dance

I just went to Real.com because I've been hearing how they've been attempting to make the site more accessible and less "As seen on TV" like.


Well, holy crap, it is a bit better. I actually found two text links to the free player on the main page, albeit in very tiny print in random locations. Last time I remember putting Real player on a computer (<shudder>) I had to go like 3 pages in to find the link.


Seriously though, anyone who makes a webpage that inaccessible shouldn't be pointing fingers at other companies for their financial woes.

Did George say dance?
Get off your feet! http://www.ntk.net/media/dancemonkeyboy.mpg

ole' slappy is back! Glazer is a god, he knows a little secret about something ole slappy holds near and dear to his iWalMArt connection. It's called the DJ, the Dell DJ, and it's going to tear Steven Pee Jobs a new one. Mark these words Dell DJ will have a case made by JCPenny soon. Ha ha why don't you all go iPotty, mac freaks.

Just so I understand this idiot, the iTunes/iPod threatens to turn off customers? Yet, he wanted really bad to be a part of it? He wanted to join that which he felt turned off customers? Can you say sore looser?

NEXT!
(That would be you Chris Gorog).

Hey slappy, if the Dell DJ is so great, why is even Michael Dell disappointed with it and it's "features"? Just read Mobile PC magazine's interview.

hes obviously desperate poor man. he reminds me of all the bums asking me for a hand out in downtown seattle. someone throw him a friggen bone. or not i know i wouldn't.

The week before...
Bobby Glaser: Apple sucks!

Last week...
Bobby Glaser: We demand that Apple partner with us against M$, or we'll partner with M$!

This week...
Bobby Glaser: iTunes & iPod threaten to turn off customers!

Ummm... Bobby, take your meds, dude. Then read: Dale Carnegie

really, does anyone care what glaser has to say any more? (besides himself and his lackies).. It's a great day and age, a CEO of a company having a childish "temper tantrum" because he had an obviously bad idea and tried to push it upon someone who has very specific ideas and goals for his company... it's like an airheaded cheerleader trying to ask a picky genius out on a date.. well... you get the analogy..

Serious question for the knowing out there:

Why isn't Quicktime used by more companies for streaming?

What are the problems with Real Player? I keep seeing people write that it's crap, but what makes it so bad?

Been listening to AirAmericaRadio from Japan and their stream keeps going down. Very frustrating. They use Real Player. Does that play into why the stream keeps going down, or is it more connected to their servers?

Informative answer would be appreciated. I'm not a technophile, but am interested in the issues.

Thanks.

Well that Glaser...what a bitch.

To Adamac: Hello Tokyo.
Quicktime streaming: Cause MS puts their player on every machine out there. If you know the market share of Apple you should get an idea. Other factors of course but MS dominance plays a key role IMHO.

Real Player: Low quality video, the program is almost viral in nature. Constant messages appear to upgrade or other junk, icons installed all over the place and a few other features obnoxious to a lot of users.

I have found that Japanese servers can be slow and go down, but don't have much else to offer. Hey, its the net, not that effective yet.

I do agree with Glaser, like I said in another forum, suppose I would buy a Sony CD and could only play it on a Sony CD player! Apple in this area of music has got as low as M$ and its policy is inconsistent with its overall support of open standards. We as Apple-fans should not turn a blind eye to Apple when they are starting to abuse the market like M$ does, instead we are the ones who should correct them. For me this means no ITMS-songs or or an iPod.

I agree with Glasser - and by his logic he should open up the Real player too!

Rob Glaser is the "Baghdad Bob" of the music download arena:

"Everybody hates Apple!!"

"No one wants to buy iPods or visit the ITMS!!"

"Perhaps if Apple comes crawling to REAL we can save them!!"

These people are amazing! (Like Sony, and the others either predicting Apples ' approaching failure, or refusal to acknowledge that Apple is in the drivers seat and they are lost in the desert) Do they really think they can spin their way out of this, and that the buying public will be conned into creating this alternate, Bizarro world, that reduces Apple to nothing, merely because the SAY it is so?

If anyone is acting SOVIET, or 1984-like it's Rob Glaser!!

He is the perfect example of Double-Think!

dv

Real idiot

I do have a complaint on quicktime. I tried to help a coworker download the Quicktime player onto her PC yesterday. I took her to the Apple Quicktime download site, hit "Download Quicktime" and it kept trying to force download iTunes (which I know QT does come bundled with). While I'd like her to discover iTunes I didn't want to force it on her when she only wanted Quicktime. We finally gave up. Way too Microsoft like for me. Come on Apple!!!

For god's sake, will somebody flush this turd already?

Jump
You are complaining that Apple gives QT and iTunes free for and bundels those together and forces PC users to try excellent Apple software? They can trash it if they don't like it. (okay it is PC so that may not be possible)
You want her to discover iTunes... How hard do you want it to be? How long she has to suffer?

Jump,

Here's your link. I did not see iTunes mentioned anywhere.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120297
If this does not work, here is the basic sequence I used:
Apple:Support(Tab at top of page):Software(Middle left of page):QuickTime.

It's all there. You may have to register to get the download, but I have not found that to be an issue with Apple as it is with some companies.

"For god's sake, will somebody flush this turd already?"

It appears he voluntarily jumped into the toilet and is reaching for the handle himself!

"... a technology neutral Switzerland?" First of all, since when is Real Network's digital formats compatible with anything but RealNetwork's products? Adn second, if RealNetworks is, Switzerland, I guess we can say that the pairing of RealNetworks and Microsoft is akin to Switzerland surrendering to the Nazis (which Switzerland never did historically).

Jump, Brutno's link worked well here (I was using an older version of QT). There was no mention of iTunes anywhere.

Rob, Rob and Paul. Members in good standing of the losers club. The 3 Stooges were much funnier and relevant then these bozos (now that I think of it, Bozo has it all over these guys too!)

Up next is Connect (announced for May) from Sony. Music will only play on new Sony Walkman digital players. Glaser, where's do you stand on this one?

"I do agree with Glaser, like I said in another forum, suppose I would buy a Sony CD and could only play it on a Sony CD player!"

Bullshit. Rip the iTune to CD and reimport it. It can now be enjoyed anyplace.

The only "Soviet" style player in this is Glaser: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Glaser can't invent anything worth a shit but he feels as though he is entitled to the work product of others. This guy is a character right out of "Atlas Shrugged." Life imitates art.

As far as pc's go, Real and Quicktime have gone in opposite directions recently. Properly installed Real will play when asked to and disappear otherwise. Quicktime is constantly asking to update, an obnoxious way to sell.

That is why I recently dumped Quicktime and replaced it with this: http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1049831315

Play .mov files in a WMP classic setting. Quality seems to be and improvement over quicktime too.

Joe,

Obnoxious? Look in the mirror!

"You are complaining that Apple gives QT and iTunes free for and bundels those together and forces PC users to try excellent Apple software?"

One Guy from Finland, that is not the point. We (as Mac users) put down Windows for the way it forces its products on you. The way Apple has the Quicktime download set up now where it downloads with iTunes, they are doing the same thing. Yes, you can get rid of it but when you go to the Quicktime tab from the Apple Homepage and click download, it should download Quicktime and only Quicktime. Nowhere does it say the you will also be downloading iTunes when you click on it. Sorry, still too much like a Microsoft way of doing things for my taste.

Brutno, most users aren't going to try to navigate around to find the page you referenced (thanks by the way). [url=http://www.apple.com]http://www.apple.com,[/url] -> Quicktime tab -> download on the secondary menu bar is how by far the majority are going to find it.

My, pk, I seem to have upset you. Just stating facts and opinion. Real used to be as bad as Quicktime is now. I hated Real then (but it is the main app for MLB replays), and when Quicktime started the same stuff, I was happy to find an alternative.

I do miss the 1970's brushed metal finish of QT however, it used to remind me of my old Marantz amp.

His choice of venue to do a smear campaign on Apple is very interesting.... Of the many computer groups out there, NAB is very Apple friendly, and in a great position of knowledge to know just how well the iTMS is really doing. They probably also read the news, and know that he was begging Apple just last week. Here's a clue bobby rob robert boy, they WEREN'T laughing with you...........

More like:

Gollem: Apple sucks! Stay off the Apple platform

Smeagal: We demand that Apple partner with us against M$, or we'll partner with M$!

Gollem: iTunes & iPod threaten to turn off customers!

Go back to the "Gates" of Mordor or cry to Michael "Saruman" Dell you freakin' freak. At least Gollem/Smeagal had some chance of being saved and something to offer.

Glaser is some piece of work. His deal to Apple was akin to walking up to a millionaire and saying "I got a deal for you. You give me half a million, and in return, I'll give you this shiny nickel", except that's actually a better deal than what Real offered by at least 4 cents. He certainly seems to be concerned with how Apple is doing these days. He seems to really want to help them succeed. What a loser. This guy came from Microsoft? BIG SURPRISE! </sarcasm>

Joe, if you don't want Quicktime to ask you to update, change the date on your clock to the year 2020, open QT, and click upgrade later. It will never come back. Not on a PC anyway because Lord knows you'll be replacing it in two years. On a Mac you'd have to repeat the process in the year 2020 Seriously though, just upgrade to the Pro version. It's an incredibly powerful program.

Johnny,

That's precious!

Glaser is a drama queen and is spouting all this negative Apple stuff to cosy back up to M$.

I'd really laugh if M$ told him to f*ck off as well.

Glaser is like the SCO, dangerous and unpredictable. Best leave him alone, he and his company will die off.

Joe, Marantz amps were very good. Have good memories of those.
Concerning update requests from QT must be a case of preferences. I know, difficult on Windows apps: they do not ask to update: they do it no questions asked (even during a presentation making the whole hall laugh: Mac users a hearty one, Windows users an embarassed one)

My QT never ask to update as is set to manual update. Sure, maybe the default is update every time it is launched. Same for OS X Software Update: the user is in command: every time, daily, weekly, monthly, never. User choice.

ndelc,

Here in NYC, most of the homeless are harmless — you feel bad for them, you wonder if there is any real way to help these poor souls, and you hope never to join them, but all and all they will not bring harm to you.

Except...every now and then, there is some thugly looking guy on the subway begging for money who tries this tune, "someone give me some money so's I will not have to come to your house and rob you or knock you in the head on the street!" Sound like anyone we have been reading about?

seahawk, it used to be that the update request could be got rid of. I could not figure out how to do it on the latest version I downloaded (maybe 2 weeks ago). The alternative works great, so it is no problem anyway. Same to ndelc, and thanks for the idea, but I do like my clock to be accurate, since I gave up on watches.

In case you missed it, here's an article from CNET that tells it like it is concerning Glaser:

http://news.com.com/2010-1025-5192344.html?tag=nl

Enjoy.

You mean my $195 Gucci iPod case is out of style already?

Real RIPlayer
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http://homepage.mac.com/johnhood

Joe, you don't have to keep your date on 2020. After you hit "later" you set it back to 2004.

i'm not getting this about the QT download not giving an option; there's a stand alone installer on the qt products page and hell even if you just click the QT " upgrade to pro" icon on the first page and check the Win98/Me/2000/XP and NOT QT & iT for windows2000/XP your gold...besides all this there's a new codec for QT ..MPEG-4 Part 10 that kicks butt http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=displaynews&NewsID=3982&Page=1&pagePos=2 and spend the $30 for QT Pro and you'll never look back