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Rebelling against Apple iPod+iTunes?
Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 09:40 AM EST

"When Max Roosevelt wanted to rebel, he got a Dell laptop and a SanDisk Sansa MP3 player. It was not a rebellion against his parents, who had been buying Dells for years. It was a rebellion against his peers, Mac-toting iPod addicts one and all," Wilson Rothman reports for The New York Times.

“'I just didn’t want to have the same MP3 player as everybody else, and felt that there had to be equivalent or better players out there,' Mr. Roosevelt, an 18-year-old native of Chappaqua, N.Y., said recently from his freshman dorm room at the University of Maryland. 'It’s not that I don’t like it; I just don’t like the whole cult mentality towards Apple. I don’t like how everyone gravitates toward it immediately,'" Rothman reports.

"The iPod Nano may represent an irresistible combination of enticing design, futuristic technology and sledgehammer marketing, but does Mr. Roosevelt have a point? Are there other players that are more advanced or more fun to use? An examination of four non-Nanos suggests there are praises to be sung outside of Apple’s realm," Rothman reports.

Rothman reports, "Each player is compatible with online music subscription services like Rhapsody, Napster and the new Urge, though none are compatible with files downloaded from the Apple iTunes Music Store... None of the players are compatible with Macs... None of the players are as slender as the Nano... At first, similarities were more apparent than differences, but that changed after some testing. Take, for instance, those built-in radio tuners... the Sansa generated too much static... The Zen also generated annoying static... Radio troubles were only the start for the spunky little Zen... it is the least user-friendly... it also reacted slowly to the push of buttons... Though the Clix is the best of the bunch... it has mysteriously been a poor performer in sales. Among the four, it is the one that least resembles the Nano, and perhaps that is the explanation: do those who buy a non-Nano secretly want a Nano?"

Rothman reports, "Max Roosevelt says no. When the Carbon broke down, he learned that its manufacturer had left the business, unable to compete with Apple. Determined to steer clear of Apple, he bought his six-gigabyte Sansa last June. 'It may look a great deal like an iPod Nano, but it isn’t one,' he said, 'which is all that I really cared about.'"

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Cutting off your nose to spite your face does not a rebel make; you'll just be a noseless fool with a soon-to-be-defunct MP3 player and access to really bad, struggling online media outfits. While we'll give Max a break - he's only 18 after all, sounds quite confused, and he'll eventually grow up - Apple is the rebel, Max, certainly not Microsoft and a bunch of also-ran device makers:



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Oct 05, 06 - 08:45 am Comment from: Dirty Pierre le Punk

Sounds like he has a glittering career at McDonalds ahead of him. Foolish youth.

Oct 05, 06 - 08:54 am Comment from: qka

And this guy probably lives in his parent's basement.

Loser.

Oct 05, 06 - 08:54 am Comment from: Bill Gates

Your check is in the mail Max, good work.

Oct 05, 06 - 08:55 am Comment from: Wrong Again

So THAT's why he's a virgin... because all his FRIENDS are having sex and he's having NONE of those shenanigans!

Oct 05, 06 - 08:56 am Comment from: macromancer

It's one thing to swim against the stream because you have gotten to a point whereyou question why everyone else is so fanatical about something.

It's another thing to do it JUST because the masses are doing something, and not questioning the substance.

Perhaps this is what he needs to do to learn that there's a reason why people love their iPods and iTunes.

Oct 05, 06 - 08:56 am Comment from: TTzz

I hate it that all friends have Ferraris. I'm going to buy a ford so I can really be unique and stand out.

Oct 05, 06 - 08:56 am Comment from: moiety5

Sounds like a piece from The Onion if you ask me. "Max Roosevelt decided he'd rather beat his head in with his non-functioning, spontaneously combusting Dell laptop than get work done. . ."

Oct 05, 06 - 08:59 am Comment from: jay

Good take. It further reminds me of the expression, "Youth is wasted on the young."

Oct 05, 06 - 09:01 am Comment from: me

To say "there must be something better...or just as good" is pretty lame.

This poor 18 year old has grown up in a world where the dominant OS is a disaster, but everyone uses it. This skews his mind to think that the iPod must too be a disaster because it is dominant.

I feel partly to blame because as an IT professional, I helped Microsoft dominate the market by recommending Windows to people back when there was no better choice (sorry, Mac OS 9 > is horrible) and I didn't do a great job unseeting MS when a better alternative (OS X) was avaialble.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:01 am Comment from: M.X.N.T.4.1

Anyone who defines themselves by their mp3 player and chooses a lesser option just to be different needs to take a look at themsevles. Irrsepective of how good or bad the iPod is or how good or bad the SanDisk models are, you should choose the one that's best for you, not the one that isn't what other people have.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:03 am Comment from: R

He doesn't want to be like everyone else! Don't you get it? He wants a Dell so that he can NOT be part of the crowd! Duh! confused

Oct 05, 06 - 09:05 am Comment from: Teflon

Why have I seen little written about the new iPod Shuffle? I think the design is revolutionary and brilliant.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:12 am Comment from: Tech writer/MDN addict

Teflon,

iPod shuffle is not shipping, yet.
You'll see more written about the new iPod shuffle when it is available for purchase and reviews.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:15 am Comment from: Big Al

Teflon,

Could it be because the new Shuffle not available for purchase yet?

Oct 05, 06 - 09:24 am Comment from: gman

what a noob!

Oct 05, 06 - 09:25 am Comment from: Jim

Big Al,

Has that ever stopped Microsoft weenies reviewing Vista?

Oct 05, 06 - 09:27 am Comment from: Steve O

Speaking of rebelling, this article say Macs are harder to use than PCs. Is this a M$ sponsored site or what?

Windows easier than OS X!

Oct 05, 06 - 09:28 am Comment from: tt

Sounds like someone has never used OSX.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:31 am Comment from: Buster

C'mon MDN, why are you wasting space on this crap. Kids do this a lot. Hell probably most of us over 18 either did think like this on occasion wheterh we acted on it or not. Kids will be kids and sometimes things are not thought through. Its called growing up.
When are those damn core 2 duo laptops gonna come out.

MW: soon....now THAT was scary.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:32 am Comment from: Barry the bridge seller

Soooo, he would rather wank than have the real thing?

MDNWord- movement

Yep, up and down on the spot.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:36 am Comment from: PC Apologist

Ugh. You can't claim that everyone who isn't you is an "also-ran" and also keep claiming that you're the rebel and the outsider.

One way or the other, MDN. The oxymorons are giving me whiplash.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:36 am Comment from: Norm e.

Hmmmmm,
I checked out the article. There was no author posted. It sounds like the New York Times is to ashamed of its article to list who wrote it.

I do think that they totally missed the " buys a Dell to rebel against Apple" thing. Must be that they were too focused on the entertainment to worry about there being any news there.
Just another day in "news" town. grin

Norm

Oct 05, 06 - 09:40 am Comment from: Connor MacBook

I helped Microsoft dominate the market by recommending Windows to people back when there was no better choice
Sorry, but every version of Mac OS has been better than Windows.
As for Max, he's a rebel without a clue.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:43 am Comment from: MacJack

Caring about what something isn't, rather than what it is, guarantees Max will be stuck in mediocrity for life.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:45 am Comment from: r_y_a_n

Just another Member of Microsoft's Cult of Blind Ignorance™.

What a good little Microsoft Windows Butt Monkey Lemming Fan Dork™.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:49 am Comment from: tyrone the street magnet

A rebel or outsider doesn´t follow the crowd.
The crowd is buying iPods.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:52 am Comment from: 18 year old

MDN: "...he's only 18 after all, sounds quite confused, and he'll eventually grow up"

Well you just pissed off all the 18 year olds, MDN.
Showing your age. You are out of it - something a 40+ person would say to his teenage son.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:59 am Comment from: john

So what.

Oct 05, 06 - 09:59 am Comment from: Youth is wasted on the young

jay,

I've always liked that 'saying' from G.B.Shaw, and the older I get (58 now), the better it get's.

Oct 05, 06 - 10:05 am Comment from: hagar57

To get this straight, one single student decides not to buy an iPod, and this is good for an article in The New York Times?
In related news, a man from Queens took a subscription of the Washington Post, because he does not want to read the same newspaper as the rest of the neighbourhood. He figured there must be a better or equally good newspaper.
Who gives a flying f*ck??

Oct 05, 06 - 10:07 am Comment from: dontfearthetuba

I was just speaking to a friend last night that recently got the 60gb iPod, his very first. His exact words were "If I weren't already married, I'd marry my iPod!" This from a person that previously held similar beliefs to Max.

And it's not that rare. Two young people in my family said the exact same thing about the iPod being "too popular" and ended up getting some also-ran players to be, different. They're content with them, but I've never heard them act excited enough to say they'd marry the things...

Oct 05, 06 - 10:17 am Comment from: Bob

MicroLemming™

Oct 05, 06 - 10:21 am Comment from: macaholic

"whole cult mentality towards Apple"?? What about the "blinkered philistine pig-ignorance" towards Microsoft. (credit to Monty Python for phrasing)

Oct 05, 06 - 10:21 am Comment from: dave

Oooooo, I'm going to "rebel" by making the same choices as my parents!

Livin' life on the edge, this guy...

Oct 05, 06 - 10:30 am Comment from: Andy C.

lol! What a hypocrite this kid is. He buys a Dell so he can stand out and be different?!? Way to "stick it to the man" Max!

What a tool. Unfortunately, there are plenty of adults that are exactly like Max. The more positive things they hear about Apple, the more they dislike it. It's like a smoker who only increases their habit when exposed to more smoking kills awareness advertising.

MDN's take hit the nail on the head.

Oct 05, 06 - 10:31 am Comment from: mikal in NYC

question du jour: who made this rule that one MUST HAVE a portable music device?

I came to America because here, you have a choice.

just my 2p.

Oct 05, 06 - 10:50 am Comment from: Hywel

I was thinking "Cutting off your nose to spite your face" way before reaching MDNs take. It's exactly what he's done.

Oh, and are they all incompatible with Macs, or can you just drag MP3 files onto them ?

Oct 05, 06 - 10:54 am Comment from: fandango

This isn't a news story...

It's an Apple hit piece by Mr. Rothman disguised to look like a story about Max Roosevelt.

Here's a news flash for you Mr. Rothman: Many people have chosen the Apple iPod because Apple provides the best customer experience in terms of thier choice of portable listening devices and the software used to manage thier music libraries.

Many consumers have made a *conscious decision* to buy an iPod, and for once, have chosen the best product on the market. I'm sorry if you don't like the choice we've made, but stop griping about it.

And, you can quote me on that.


MW: 'death'. As in, 'Death to all non-Apple mp3 players'... lol

Oct 05, 06 - 10:58 am Comment from: rebel

Anything that a lot of people do or like or say will create detractors, based simply on the fact that the majority of people are doing it. Normal human nature. Not everyone has to use an iPod.

Hopefully, Apple will always produce and iPod+iTunes+iTS experience that will make it the obvious choice for 75% of people. The other 25% can keep Apple from having a monopoly.

Oct 05, 06 - 11:12 am Comment from: gagravaar

I really don't buy this.

Why is it, that when Apple (at last) get a glimmer of success, do the media suddenly report PR spin like this.

" I just don’t like the whole cult mentality towards Apple. I don’t like how everyone gravitates toward it immediately"

Look around you Max; everyone is using Windows - why don't you rebel against that? Oh yeah, you don't because your an MS stooge, placed there by Microsoft's PR company.

Why would the New York Times interview a nobody 18-year old in his dorm room?

Oct 05, 06 - 11:18 am Comment from: macman

He's got a Dell, enough said.

Oct 05, 06 - 11:19 am Comment from: Dw

"Apple is the rebel"

In every case EXCEPT the portable media player market, that is.

Oct 05, 06 - 11:22 am Comment from: Mr. Peabody

The "cult" of Mac is a myth perpatrated by another cult, a real cult hell bent on world domination for no better purpose than to be in control of everything. Us long time Mac users simply do not want to use anything made by MS if we can at all help it - And of course we really like the Macintosh.

And regarding the comment about "everyone" "gravitating" toward Apple... Well I guess if you're 18 it might seem that way, but the truth is that Apple has worked long and hard to get to a place where everyone, not just Mac fanatics, is interested in getting Apple products, and not just iPods.

If you don't want to use an iPod, then cool - don't. Thank the Good Lord you have a choice, (all subjective feelings about your choices aside). And Max, thing about this: Having real choices in the computing/peripheral market place has been a fairly recent development. Up to now the world has been dictated to, but thankfully that's chaning.

Just some fodder for thought.

Oct 05, 06 - 12:04 pm Comment from: Chris

Another article paid for by Ballmer?

Oct 05, 06 - 12:06 pm Comment from: Captain Obvious

He's 18. He hasn't been around long enough to realize that the rebel has finally come out on top, and he just thinks its "bad" because it's "popular"

A terrible association, and invalid argument. Perhaps he should have actually done some research before hopping on the Mafiasoft bandwagon.

Oct 05, 06 - 12:46 pm Comment from: Winston

Boy, talk about a rebel without a cause.

Oct 05, 06 - 01:04 pm Comment from: ../.

In another news, Luke Skywalker decided to join Darth Vader because the Rebels are finally winning. He is determined to be on the losing side, who cares about good and bad?

Oct 05, 06 - 01:10 pm Comment from: justified

Chris wrote: "Another article paid for by Ballmer?"

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I'm kinda doubting it. Ballmer's a sales dude. He's all about the bottom line. I don't think he'd pay for it.

Gates, on the other hand: he's the "philanthropist." He's far more likely to have sponsored this piece.

Oct 05, 06 - 01:17 pm Comment from: Gil Bates

A rebel without a clue.

Oct 05, 06 - 01:24 pm Comment from: geo

By this logic, we can assume this guy uses Macs so that his PC is different from all those dull, Windows-based boxes out there.

However, he's probably not smart enough to realize the irony.

Oct 05, 06 - 01:37 pm Comment from: He's such a rookie

He wants to be a rebel and yet buys a Dell? Grow up, man!

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