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Jun 17, 08 - 09:43 am Comment from: bdb

Developers! Developers! Developers!

Jun 17, 08 - 09:45 am Comment from: Mr. Reeee

Do we care?

Really?

Jun 17, 08 - 09:48 am Comment from: Ampar

"'But the Mac OS has rocketed by 380 percent as a targeted development platform, Evans Data told Computerworld,' Asay reports."

The part to care about.

Developers! Developers! Hello? Developers? Is anyone out there? Is this microphone working?

crickets chirping..

Jun 17, 08 - 09:50 am Comment from: Grigori

Care? No. Enjoy? Yes.

Jun 17, 08 - 09:51 am Comment from: HMCIV

8% Vista + 49% XP = 57%

Who's the other 43% writing for? Windows 98???

so, 8% are writing apps for Vista, 49% for XP, 15-20% for Linux, and 380% for Mac OS X? What is up with these numbers? How about iPhone?

My guess is that the iPhone is up 10000000000000000000000%

Vista is a wonderful product and I would recommend it as a Christmas present for all those you don't like.

Jun 17, 08 - 09:58 am Comment from: Big Al

The other 43%? Aside from Mac, Unix and Linux?

Try Windows 2000/NT. Much more stable than XP. Used in mission critical industrial situations world wide.

What a sad commentary on Microsoft's Me/XP/Vista development.

Jun 17, 08 - 09:59 am Comment from: Des Gusting

"Such appreciation for history is not likely to warm the cockles of Microsoft's heart"

What's he talking about? Since when did Microshit hever have a heart?!

Did MDN miss all those comments with the .NET explanation?

Steve Ballmer's got to do the following with this situation:
Stick with Vista for the next 5 years, to encourage switchers!!!

Hasta la Vista, babeh!

Quality. Not quantity thanks.

Jun 17, 08 - 10:41 am Comment from: Zune Tang®

Aren't you MAC lemmings lucky. All of those former Windows developers now making their super-great software for MAC. The great thing about Windows is it has so much more software being developed for it, and more is always better. It's true.

Your potential. Our passion.™

The comments are interesting - and most flatly contradict the article.
The commenters here on MDN are not well informed and just react to the article without checking any facts.
This is pretty much what most people do anyway, so it's not anything out of the ordinary.

Jun 17, 08 - 10:54 am Comment from: BC Kelly

That's like watching a 3 Minute and 1 Second slow motion train wreck

Is perverted to continue to look, but hard to avert the eyes

The Humanity

Oh, the Humanity




BC

Jun 17, 08 - 11:08 am Comment from: Predrag

I'm not sure what our commenter, "Read the Article" (weird name, isn't it?) is talking about. I read the article and it says exactly the same thing as the MDN summary above. Some of the comments to the article (on CNET) imply that the article is misleading. However, the point is that only 8% of all developers are using Vista features in their applications. I am sure that the percentage of Mac OS X developers that use features available in Leopard is higher, but I have no data to support that.

And as for Mac developers data showing 380% growth, that obviously means (for those who didn't understand) that if the percentage of Mac developers was 5% before, with 380% growth, it would be 24%. (5 + 5*3.8). Whatever the number before, it is growing much faster than Mac OS X market share, which is excellent. It's always great to have all these switchers, but it is even better for them to have a lot of software ready when they do switch.

Jun 17, 08 - 11:11 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

That was too much Ballmer.


uuugh.

Predrag.
Maybe it's me that's ignorant. I did get the part about the 380% growth.
Anyway, what sort of a name is 'predrag'?

I tried to install a web cam on a PC last night, it didn't work. Then I plugged it into my Mac and without any drivers it worked perfectly. I think that Windows is dead. Microsoft is finished. Linux is FREE and Macintosh is a Windows killer.

The most interesting part of the article was, in my opinion, the end of the article:

"Indeed. Microsoft doesn't need to handicap itself on the desktop given its difficulties competing everywhere else. With Linux and the Mac taking ever-increasing shares of the developer pie, Microsoft would do well to shore up developer support for Windows.

Unfortunately for Microsoft, that probably means re-investing in XP and forgetting its "New Coke" moment with Vista."

OUCH. That said it far better than anything else. Vista is "New Coke." XP is "Classic" ???? What a SAD SAD commentary.

But true.

Jun 17, 08 - 12:34 pm Comment from: alansky

Windows Vista has turned out to be one of the most spectacular failures in the history of the computer industry. One might even feel a touch of sympathy if this had happend to any company but Microshaft... er, soft.

What, exactly, is a cockle... I swear I never saw one in all of those bio/anatomy classes I took.

Jun 17, 08 - 01:26 pm Comment from: Dave H

"Who's the other 43% writing for? Windows 98???"
Platform-agnostic Web-based stuff I guess.

You've all been Ballmer-rolled.

Another good Ballmer video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

That video should be updated to end with that guy winging eggs at him.

GOOD! GOOD! GOOD!
And Thank you to developers for that!
Vista and shmista, and all windowz crap is just crap - filthy garbage 90% of ALL windowz software is heavy, bloated, written with adware, spyware, malware and virus-friendly.
MAC software is HUMAN-FRIENDLY, CLEAN, ELEGANT, LIGHT.
There is no need to get involved with something that doesn't belong to the 21st century, something sick and poisonous.
Not only that, MAC developers shouldn't write ANYTHING for windowz. Windowz is DYING.
windowz belong to 20th century.
APPLE and MAC belong in 21st century.
Period.

Jun 17, 08 - 04:07 pm Comment from: Ampar

Re: The phrase "warm the cockles of one's heart".

Cockles is possibly a corrupted Latin word in reference to the heart's ventricles (Latin: cochleae cordis).

Wow, I still enjoy watching these "developers" videos of monkey boy...

“MAC software is HUMAN-FRIENDLY, CLEAN, ELEGANT, LIGHT.”

This may be your perception from a user point of view but OSX has some serious problems with its APIs that make it a pain to develop for.

Macs are making inroads into the business world in Canada:

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/16/f-trends-mac.html

Big Mac attack
Is Apple poised for a bigger bite of the business market?
Last Updated: Monday, June 16, 2008 | 2:03 PM ET Comments21Recommended45
By Luigi Benetton CBC News
You know the business world is changing when IBM, co-founder of the personal computer age, offers employees computers that run on operating systems other than Microsoft Windows — including, of all things, Apple Inc.'s Macintosh.

Apple hasn't traditionally been a common computer brand on office desks, except in certain niches, such as graphic design and publishing. But Macs are starting to draw the attention of mainstream businesses these days for a number of reasons.

Apple Computer Inc. CEO Steve Jobs is silhouetted in front of an Apple iMac computer at the MacWorld conference in San Francisco in this 2006 file photo. (Paul Sakuma/Associated Press) First, the company's brand is riding a wave of popular consumer sentiment, bolstered by its market-dominating iPod line of digital music players and, more recently, the iPhone. Its slickly designed desktops and notebooks have also become something of a status symbol among style-conscious users. And Apple computers work well with Windows-based machines these days, thanks to factors like the ability to run Windows on the Mac, the availability of Microsoft Office for the Mac, and other strides in areas such as software and network compatibility.

This is helping the company's computer sales. In early 2008, NPD Research pegged Apple's share of the U.S. retail computer market at 14 per cent. Research firm IDC says Macs now represent 6 per cent of the overall U.S. computer and notebook market, with Apple's shipments experiencing a growth rate of 25 per cent in recent months. In comparison, the global PC market grew 14.6 per cent during the same period, and the overall U.S. computer market just 3.5 per cent.

Meanwhile, bad press continues to dog Microsoft's Windows Vista, Apple's chief competitor in the operating system market. A widely quoted Forrester Research report says 89 per cent of businesses surveyed continue to cling to Vista's predecessor, Windows XP, more than a year after Vista hit the market. One technology publication has even set up an online petition at http://www.SaveXP.ca in a bid to persuade Microsoft not to phase out Windows XP.

The result is that some businesses are looking at what's available besides Windows when it's time to upgrade, and they're kicking the Mac's tires.

YOU'RE DEVELOPERS ARE BELONG TO US

Jun 17, 08 - 09:21 pm Comment from: Ray

Of course they are. Are they using some Vista only technology in their code?...hell no. But are they making sure that their new versions run on both XP and Vista?...bet your a$$.


just my $0.02

"8% Vista + 49% XP = 57% "

The questions probably go like this.

Are you writing an app which targets only Vista this year: yes 8% no 92%

Are you writing an app which targets only XP this year: yes 49% no 51%

Are you writing an App which targets both Vista and XP this year: Yes 43% no 57%

Are you writing an App which targets Mac OS X? Yes 100%, through Boot Camp.

But really, don't be cute, are you writing native Apps for Mac OS X? Yes 1% No 99%.

"This may be your perception from a user point of view but OSX has some serious problems with its APIs that make it a pain to develop for."

OS X is so bad that they're having to take a year off to clean it up while adding No New Features.

"Windows Vista has turned out to be one of the most spectacular failures in the history of the computer industry. "

You're right, there are only 140 million copies of Vista in use after a little over a year. That's a massive failure compared to market leading operating systems like OS X with 20-30 million copies total in use after a decade.

OS X would rank as the most talked about failure in the industry.

Using your logic, Mercedes Benz must be a huge failure.

@Truth, er, you are comparing the total installed base of OSX with just Vista? Not the total installed base of Windows? that doesn't even make sense!

Anyway, I agree with @@ truth. By your logic Apple, which makes a substantially higher profit than Dell (on less revenue), is a failure. but that doesn't make sense!

apple already earns about half the revenue of microsoft, which must scare the poopoo outta microsoft. and i don't think apple has really hit their stride yet... two offices that i know of are planning to throw out their pcs and get macs. one of them (mine) did it years ago, and it's great.

"Using your logic, Mercedes Benz must be a huge failure."

Absolutely. They tried to go mass market with Chrysler and it was a huge failure, so they retreated to their core competence, overpriced, under-performing vehicles that will never have large market share.

Good analogy.

" widely quoted Forrester Research report says 89 per cent of businesses surveyed continue to cling to Vista's predecessor, Windows XP, more than a year after Vista hit the market. "

So for a new OS release, the normal pattern is being followed? Let the home users try it out and give some time to get the major bugs out before business dives in.