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My sister lives in the UK. She uses the Register to line the bottom of the birdcage.

This could've happened in Germany too, but T-Mobile chose to price the iPhone tarifs quite uncompetively. :(

Just goes to show, the media don't know what they're dealing with.
Another example, a little old but still, geeze.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Does-It-Again-Vista-Is-Safest-Linux-and-Mac-OS-X-Bite-the-Dust-63069.shtml

The Register is generally pretty good but since Apple banned them from press events they randomly write anti-Apple articles. Usually without any reason or their usual sense of humour.

Good old MDN, you never let us down when it comes to misrepresenting perceived "anti Apple" material. I have never heard of the Register, but a site that has a headline that says "Biting the hand that feeds IT" should probably be taken with a pinch of salt. If you had bothered to read on to page 2 of the article you would have seen that comments about the phone itself are quite favourable, as are other articles on the website. In addition, there is even an article critical of Steve Ballmer. I'm surprised MDN hasn't put this one up as proof that Monkey Boy is Satan's spawn and what clever chaps these Register people are.

There's nothing like good objective coverage of Apple, and in true MDN spin, this snipe at the Register was nothing like good objective coverage of Apple. I hate to break it to you snivelling ass lickers, but Steve Jobs does not come here daily to tell himself what terrific people those MDN types are. He doesn't even know who you are. But keep up the spin anyway. Some readers here lap it up.

@Steves (sic) Job

Shouldn't that be Steve's Job? Just wondering.

Steve

Page 2 your kidding right. So your saying the fact that they don't get to anything good till the second page. Do you know how many folks just read the front page of a story. The fact your not giving any weight is very telling on your part. Once done you then degrade into cheap parting shots. I guess your just another cock crowing to crow, nothing really to say but wanting to be heard.

Good luck with that!

you are = you're

belonging to you = your

The Register is the greatest tech publication in English in the entire world and since the 1990s has stood for integrity and puncturing hype and FUD. It is not printed so it seems odd that someone could use it line any birdcages unless they were printing it out first, which is daft.

The register has nothing but sour grapes for Apple, Makes me have absolutely no respect for their stories.

@Speedy. Thanks for your (not you're) good luck wishes. They are really much very appreciated. I would allow my comments of appreciation to spill over onto a second page, but I'm worried you would not read that far.

@John C. If I were referring to the job belonging to someone called Steve you would be correct. Unfortunately, it simply happens to be my name. I think my parents smoked too much during the 60s.

It's just Andrew Orlowski doing what he does. He has had a long running beef with Apple, because of the apparent lack of them listening to his ideas on piles. He is most probably the 'Ian in Southampton' he quotes on page 2. He is one of these writers that quotes himself as evidence.

Tony Smith on the other hand is quite a level headed writer for the Reg, and not anti-apple by default.

MW: Home

Only the diehard apple fan would break a sweat to part with his or hers hard errand cash for technology that’s been around for a number of years, more over the restrictive networking and contract terms are just fuelling the trade in hacked Iphones . Apple have given us nothing we didn’t already have and o2 something we don’t want . Nether evolutionary or revolutionary lets hope they get it right next time

APPL stock price will fall.

Orlowski likes many Apple products but HATES Apple (the company). I can't remember back far enough to remember a time when he didn't misconstrue information and facts to make Apple look bad. When there are no facts that can be misinterpreted he's been making negative things up about Apple. He's been doing this for many years, LONG, LONG before Apple stopped inviting them to any press events.

This is the same moron who claimed Zune was a success.

AAPL Leopard sold 2 million unit just in weekend (9% Mac users), iPhone just in England and Germany only weekend sold over 100,000 unit, ipod sales are good, imac sales just drop 0.9%. Why AAPL stock fall more than 12%. AAPL stock is cheap now. BUY AAPL.

BUY AAPL, BECAUSE AAPL IS A INTERNATIONAL COMPANY. AND IPHONE, IPOD, IMAC, AND OTHER APPLE PRODUCTS ARE GOOD ENOUGH AND THE WOLRD LOVE APPLE PRODUCTS.
BUY AAPL. THE SHARE IS CHEAP NOW.

doc ... you assclown. Stop urinating on your leg.

"AAPL stock price will fall .... duhhhh .... duhhhhhh"

Asswipe.

B U Y A A P L.
OIL PRICE DOWN, US$ UP AGAINST EURO.
B U Y A A P L

It's worth noting that - because the UK doesn't have the same 24/7 culture as the US - this is actually a more impressive number than it might first appear.

By my reckoning, there were only about 20 hours of retailing over the weekend for the vast majority of the iPhone outlets in the UK (O2 and Carphone Warehouse shops) combined with the fact that CW's chip-and-pin card verification systems had a major nervous breakdown on Friday night.

Despite all of this, 100,000 phones means they were selling a phone every 0.75 seconds or thereabouts which is a lot quicker than they make them.

In the spirit of reprinting quotes which have come back to bite the originator in ass, how about Ed Colligan - CEO of beleaguered Palm - on or about 14th November 2006.

“We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.”

Just watch what happens when those 100,000 units are demonstrated in homes, on trains and in offices to another 1 million people....

I passed by the 'Flagship' Regent St store on Friday night by chance and because the crowds were so small I took the opportunity to pop in and get my copy of Leopard. Hardly any queue and practically as many staff and press as customers, the poor staff were made to cheer wildly as each person left sheepishly with their iphone, I was embarrassed for them.

The Register is a decent site which reviews Apple products objectively and and as a result with mainly positive remarks, MDN on the other hand is beginning to look rather foolish with it's comments.

Lack of 3G is a big issue in the British market and most informed buyers probably realise that a 3G model will surface long before their contract expires.

Thanks for setting us all straight Steve's Job. Please continue saving us from ourselves.

Yes, but if the Register carries no weight, then it is a "flippant" flop...

Its = belongin to it
It's = it is.

@macromancer As has already been pointed out in this thread, the name is Steves, not Steve's. Please try to get it right.

And while we are on the subject of names, I know what a "macro" is, but what on earth is a "mancer"?

...is a funny thing.

Particularly since all of the Brits that I've worked with over the past decade absolutely NEVER rush judgement on anything.


it would seem that the Register and Andrew Orlowski - - as well many of its posters - - are much more like the impulsive and "faddy" Americans than they would ever be able to admit!


Thanks, but I'll be taking the British approach to this question: be patient and wait until the reliable data comes in whenever you can.


-hh

..and yet, this American has somehow resisted the urge to buy an iPhone. (Mostly because I can't afford the service plan and b/c it doesn't have voice recording.)

Anyhow, the Register is a known snarky publication. MDN missed the boat on this one. I've seen lovefest Apple articles and Apple is Satan type articles there, too. The Reg is only of interest to the people who spend their lives reading about IT instead of doing something with their lives.

@Your Smugly
'belongin' ?

@MCCFR

At that rate appluk will sell 41,472,000 in the next year alone!
Soon they will be like McDonalds! I've got dibs on the nose and those really cool socks! Steve is gonna look smokin' in that wig and the big floppy shoes!

"3G was designed for voice," said Philip Solis, an analyst with ABI Research. "Right now a single 3G cell site barely supports a half dozen people transmitting data at the same time. WiMax offers much better capacity, which will be essential when people start using more data-intensive applications over wireless."

The 3G argument will kick in at some point. This is my "preemptive strike".....

"Good old MDN, you never let us down when it comes to misrepresenting perceived "anti Apple" material. I have never heard of the Register"

and thank you for pointing this out early so that i know that you have nothing important to say and i can ignore you, it is this kind of courtesy that is often lacking today.

HOLD ON!

A lesson in propaganda and marketing is about to begin.

"Sales of the new iPhone are believed to have topped 100,000 in just over TWO DAYS," Charles Rae reports for The Sun. "

A reporter with no facts BELIEVES 100,000 iPhones sold in "TWO DAYS"? Not very creditable. After all a reporter can be mislead by marketers too.

Lets look at some more...

"A spokeswoman for Carphone Warehouse said: 'We are really pleased.' ...An O2 spokesman said: 'We don’t have official figures yet, but sales are more than exceeding our expectations,'" Rae reports.

Read the line "no official sales figures yet" which means 'we are making stuff up now'.

Note "sales are more than exceeding our expectations" sure if you didn't expect to sell many, a few thousand more would be amazing right?

Well we have NO FACTS, no present sales figures to make a fact. How about "as of last night about 8pm we sold 50,000 iPhones" instead of this BS?

They have computers and the internet, they track every sale. They KNOW EXACTLY how many are being sold and when. They just don't want to say.

Lets look at another:

"At the height of the frenzy on Friday night, iPhones were flying off the shelves at the rate of 4.2 per second," Christian reports.

Yes but for ten minutes that certainly wouldn't be "100,000 iPhones"

Who is spreading the propaganda?

The facts are this:

1: The UK is 3G, they don't like slow Edge.
2: A bank there just failed and it had to be bailed out, a run on that bank also occurred. So not too many are motivated to buying a expensive phone and contract right now as the economy might not be doing so well.
3: Edge isn't everywhere, so people need a phone that does work everywhere.
4: People are locked into contracts.
5: People in general just want a cheap slim phone with long battery life in case they lose it.
6: There quite isn't as many people in the UK as there are in the US. So there will be less buyers.

Now the attendance at the UK Apple Stores has not been fantastic as it has been made to appear. Because it was raining, because it was cold.

So they are not telling us what the current sales figures are because it's not that good. The volume is just not there. They are waiting until enough are sold and they can put a "spin" on the release figures. Especially since it has to compare with the larger proportion sold in US with larger population and more spending capital naturally.

But "4.2 per second" sure sounds good doesn't it?

That concludes your lesson in propoganda.

Remember, there are NO AMERICAN TANKS IN BAGDAD.

(because we redrew the city lines as they advanced, hehe!)

How on god’s green earth can anyone charge near £900.00 for technology that’s out of date?
It’s not even 3G you can’t replace the battery without sending it back to apple the voice connection is truly dreadful and it doesn’t support most web plug-ins such as Java.
Apple have failed yet again in giving consumers what they want and in doing so have left the door wide open to its comparators to steal the show. If they had just held off and addressed all of the issues they would have created a killer device that would have netted them far more than we are witnessing
Their unbridle lust in the pursuit of profit at the cost of creativity and “getting it right first time” has rendered this for what it is “old technology wrapped up in hype”
Worse, restrictive use of the O2 network the 18 month contract at £35.00 starting fee per month along with £269.00 for the Iphone is nothing more short of a scam.
The trade in hacked iphones is as a direct result of such a restrictive policy. Apple like Microsoft are imposing more and more control over you the consumer telling you what you can and cannot do with the hardware and software you pay good money for the very least we should expect is something that works and not to be ripped off in the process.
Anyone with any sort of common sense should hold off until Apple address the 3G issue otherwise you will end up with another ten mouths to go on your contract and a phone that’s as useless as it is now plus a bill for the new iphone2

@MCCFR

Ed Colligan- CEO of beleaguered Palm- actually did get it right. PC guys didn't just walk in and figure this out. Apple (read: Mac guys) did. Not trying to be contrary...

What the hell do you expect from Andrew Orlowski?

MDN is more biased than any newspaper I've read.

For instance: We were constantly barraged with "Apple stocks reach an all time high [again]" stories for weeks. But barely a mention that the stock has fallen almost $30 in the last week.

Let's not get carried away with hype. 30,000 iphones in Great Britain and 15,000 iphones in Germany would be great. Both the Mirror and the Sun are capable of hyping iphone sales, and then trashing aapl when the real numbers come out. Check out the Apple Finance board for accurate estimates. Most retail locations are closed on Sunday in Europe.

@ Bagdad Bob

Please cite your sources for each one of these 'facts':

1: The UK is 3G, they don't like slow Edge.
2: A bank there just failed and it had to be bailed out, a run on that bank also occurred. So not too many are motivated to buying a expensive phone and contract right now as the economy might not be doing so well.
3: Edge isn't everywhere, so people need a phone that does work everywhere.
4: People are locked into contracts.
5: People in general just want a cheap slim phone with long battery life in case they lose it.
6: There quite isn't as many people in the UK as there are in the US. So there will be less buyers.

I'm waiting.

Sorry, that was me (autofill!@#%#)

@ Chris M

NEWS FLASH! EVERYONE!!! THE TECH MARKET WENT DOWN LAST WEEK!!!

Thank you so much for filling us in!

Brit,

You may be right with all that stuff but, damn, I'm enjoying my iPhone!

How on god’s green earth can anyone charge near £900.00 for technology that’s out of date?

Ask the Vista team.

It’s not even 3G you can’t replace the battery without sending it back to apple the voice connection is truly dreadful and it doesn’t support most web plug-ins such as Java.

Ah, I see you've already been talking to Microsoft. However, it's much easier to cover your tracks if you don't use all their talking points in the same sentence.

Apple have failed yet again in giving consumers what they want and in doing so have left the door wide open to its comparators to steal the show.

And you can see the competitors just lining up with their superior technology. Why, in the 10 months since the iPhone was announced, let's take a look at all the phones that have come out to steal the show...

(I can't think of any. little help?)

If they had just held off and addressed all of the issues they would have created a killer device that would have netted them far more than we are witnessing

How would they have know what the issues were before you started blathering about them?

Their unbridle lust in the pursuit of profit at the cost of creativity and “getting it right first time” has rendered this for what it is “old technology wrapped up in hype”

That was just silly. And you know it.

Worse, restrictive use of the O2 network the 18 month contract at £35.00 starting fee per month along with £269.00 for the Iphone is nothing more short of a scam.

A 'scam' is telling you one thing and selling you another. That's a scam, Brit. This is just you not liking the deal.

The trade in hacked iphones is as a direct result of such a restrictive policy. Apple like Microsoft are imposing more and more control over you the consumer telling you what you can and cannot do with the hardware and software you pay good money for the very least we should expect is something that works and not to be ripped off in the process.

You can do anything you want with an iPhone. There is a possibility that it won't work correctly after you do it, but that's the idea when they say "unsupported features are not supported". If I turn my car into a space ship, Ford isn't going to replace the engine for me.

Anyone with any sort of common sense should hold off until Apple address the 3G issue otherwise you will end up with another ten mouths to go on your contract and a phone that’s as useless as it is now plus a bill for the new iphone2

And here is the giveaway. The old, tired trick of astroturfers to get your confidence, tell you how awful a product is, then let you know that perfection is JUST around the corner. If Apple got it so wrong the first time, why is Brit so convinced that it will be right next time? Apple are such screw-ups, I would think the thing would just burst into flames at any moment. How could the next version be better? Brit thinks so. So you better wait.

This message brought to you by the non-Apple wireless industry. Watch for it again and again.

@ChrissyOne
Your welcome. I figured Apples stock price was more related to "Mac News" than a hit piece like "Zucker's NBC Places Distant 4th in U.S. Network Ratings" (http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/15368/)

@ Chris M

I was kidding. AAPL making new highs is news. AAPL dropping because the whole market went down is not news. I think you want CNBC.COM

@ChrissyOne

Apples stock is down about 16% over the last week though. The market is only down about 4% over the same period.

@ChrissyOne

FYI

appl (the whole market) went up due to events having nothing to do with appl (the whole market) and (both) are going down due to events having nothing to do with appl (the whole market).

@ doc

So, the 'whole market' is up 80% YTD? Really?

next...

@ChrissyOne

All I said is that things went up due to issues having nothing to do with fundamentals (related to either the whole market or to appl), not that each went up in exact proportion to the other. I think apple is doing great work. I like the products and use them myself (I have three laptops, a tower, and two ipods). I tell people to buy them when asked about the products. If you want to know more about what I mean regarding larger market forces read the following articles.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a3fCFxLIgT2s&refer=worldwide

http://www.nysun.com/article/66268

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6997765.stm