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Mar 02, 08 - 11:51 am Comment from: Jimbo von Winskinheimer

It really sounds like a bunch of guessing at this point. If I can get my "free" app on the iPhone, I can probably get a "shareware" app on there as well. Why don't we all wait and see?

Mar 02, 08 - 12:04 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

What Jimbo said ... sounds like a lot of guessing.
Still, I'd expect Apple to want to be paid for the service of a) checking out and b) distributing software, just not a whole lot. They charge less than a dollar to share music, TV and movies, suggesting that most of "Apple's share" would be a charge for testing the software to a) confirm it does what it claims and b) doesn't do "hidden" things most users might object to.
Dave

I am feverishly awaiting for the opportunity to populate my precious little iPhone with trojans - PLEASE, bad, mean Apple stay out of this!

So, they are not going to block that free WiFi phone app?

Right.

All along, I've been guessing that Apple would allow a 2-tiered development model. The one which needs to be distributed via iTunes allows full access to the iPhone features while the one that is user installed allows only limited access to iPhone features. That way, anyone can develop and install iPhone apps but can't do much damage because the apps are restricted. Companies can develop and integrate iPhone to their systems without the inconvenience of having to request an approval from Apple. However, for apps that need full access, the developers need Apple to certify the security and compatibility of the apps.

I think I have it. Apple's going to restrict applications very tightly except when they don't. Then they won't unless they do. Some applications need to be tightly controlled and some only need to be loosely restricted. Some will be grounded for two weeks except for going to the Homecoming Dance which we already bought the dress for. And why can't you be more like your sister?

Apple shouldn't restrict or control third party apps for the iPhone period!

All they have to do is make sure their iPhone OS is secure then set up certain restrictions notifying the user when a sandboxed app wants to do something, like accessing your private encrypted info, contacting the internet or other sensitive or costly operation.

Simple as that.

Allow once, Allow for today, Allow forever, or Deny.

Dashboard advisory deamon running in OS X that contacts Apple twice daily to verify your OS X widgets is just a invasion of privacy.

If OS X was secure like it's supposed to be, give users the control of trust, there would be no need to verify widgets.

It's because Apple is nosey that it does.

I can't believe that even paid applications will be available only through the iTunes store. Unless, of course, Apple really WANTS to make some hungry, shyster lawyer rich when they lose the lawsuit. IBM lost this issue long ago when they wanted to control all the applications for the 360, and they lost big-time. Apple, if they're smart (and last time I looked, they were), does NOT want to go down this road. It's a dead end.

mw: expect, as in "Expect lawsuits. Lots of 'em."

Mar 02, 08 - 03:06 pm Comment from: AAPL

it is about att getting their piece

Make the spectrum public property and all this goes away

we the public want free air then Apple can sell to everyone and allow anything

not get sued by att

in 4 years the contract ends and aapl is worth 1000 a share

And before any of you say my idea is stupid and smacks of Vista's security. Let me say this.

Giving the user the ability to set the trust level of a app is very important. Once a user downloads a iPhone app from someplace, under my proposal iPhone OS X will tell the user what that app is attempting to do, and give the user the ability to set the trust of that app.

Once a user does this, trusts the source and the app. The permission given it can be set pernamently, therefore no annoying "nag screens" everytime the app is used.

Of course if the user wants to, he/she can make the iPhone OS X tell everytime a app attempts to do something.

The user has control.

Right now Apple does what they think is right and non-annoying. But they take control away from users, invade their privacy by "checking" and tying up costly data transfers with "auto-checks" so they can collect money from these third party companies.

Free Open Source software gets shut out and a lot of innovation and advancement gets ignored because they don't subscribe to a commercial interest like Apple.

So my proposal will work just as well for Open Source and Commercial software for the iPhone.

Just restrict or notify what a iPhone could do to the user. They can decide for themselves.

It's not like a lot of things can go wrong on a iPhone. Either it can access your private data, run up a phone or data bill or delete everything. Not much.

Mar 02, 08 - 03:11 pm Comment from: grok

I gotta tell ya', I'm going to look for some vetting organization before I install anything on my iPhone, anyway. If not Apple, then someone else. I'll be danged if I'm going to ruin my phone just to play Legend of Zelda.

Mar 02, 08 - 03:21 pm Comment from: gzero

What would be the difference in what Apple does with iPhone apps over what they do with movies, music and TV shows? They get a service fee for that from the labels and the movie studios too...

If this rumor is true, I would analogize it so:

Free apps : audio and video podcasts. Vast majority of A/V podcasts are free and more or less unrestricted.

Shareware / Commercial apps : DRM'ed music and TV shows. Apple gets the same cut proportionally for apps as they do with music/shows/movies.

After all, they're already doing it with iPod games, so what's the big deal?

As I'm reading about software distribution of third party apps following the release of the SDK, I'm sort of mumbling to myself thinking, "Well maybe somebody will finally do what Apple should have done already - have a small app that will synchronize the To Do list (tasks) with the iPhone." That has been one of my major gripes as a business user. It seems like such a simple thing; but then again I don't know much about programming.

And maybe now that the SDK is almost out the door, will Apple begin focusing on over the air synchronization? And will someone finally create a voice command program? Please, may it be so... and soon.

Mar 02, 08 - 03:37 pm Comment from: Cubert

I certainly hope posting shareware apps isn't made hard by Apple. I've been working on a program for the iphone for the last month.

Apple should leave third party iPhone apps alone, should not interfere with them and only set controls so the user doesn't get data stolen or unnecessary charges.

Most of all Apple should not cannibalize on a successful third party iPhone app by making their own copy/version.

Mar 02, 08 - 04:28 pm Comment from: ElderNorm

@Mad Mac Maniac

You said ,"Apple shouldn't restrict or control third party apps for the iPhone period!

All they have to do is make sure their iPhone OS is secure then set up certain restrictions .......

It's because Apple is nosey that it does."

I can easily see from your comment that you have NO clue vs electronics and software. "All they have to do is..... magically... make the iPhone secure and let 3rd party companies do what ever they want with the code.

Yep, magic. Just need some magic. I am sure that as soon as you can provide this magic spell to Apple, they will be happy to do what you ask.

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@ Mad Mac Maniac

You are suggesting the same type of secuirity system that Windows has. Terrible idea. Here's why.

You download several apps. But since you don't know if they are secure or not (since you didn't download them from iTunes) then it makes you apprehensive. Then, when that bloody annoying "trust for one time, trust for a day... ect" pop comes, you have to press trust or else you won't get to try the app. Then, with several different apps, suddenly you iPhone stops working. But you don't know which one did it, since you installed a bunch over the weekend. Apple gets horrible press, since they can't even protect their phones from viruses.

Terrible idea. People don't know what they can trust and what they can't sometimes.
The worst thing is the "trust" popup. That's probably the number one reason I left Windows.

What sanity is there in giving out a SDK, then restricting the apps made with it? Why give a builder or artist tools and materials they aren't supposed to use?

Apple, it's either all or nothing with a SDK. If you're gonna impose restrictions, keep the damn thing to yourself.

Jerking your own developers will only do further wonders for the stock price...

Mar 02, 08 - 05:05 pm Comment from: HolyMackerel

We may be forgetting that as soon as Apple 'sells' any product for 1¢ or more they are obligated to provide a level of support, returns and accountability.

For this reason they may want a higher level of control over what they are liable for.

Mar 02, 08 - 05:10 pm Comment from: HolyMackerel

I wish someone would extend this model to Mac software. I would love a central place where I could browse Mac software, view screen shots, download a trial, read reviews, check the requirements then buy the software online.

i.e. I wish someone like MacUpdate.com would provide an e-commerce option.

Mar 02, 08 - 05:43 pm Comment from: MacLovin

@Mad Mac Maniac "Allow once, Allow for today, Allow forever, or Deny."

Sounds like a windows dialogue box, don't it???

@ ElderNorm

I can easily see from your comment that you have NO clue vs electronics and software.

What I propose it that Apple "sandbox" the third party iPhone apps from the OS and encrypted memory.

If the app requires personal information or a network connection then ask the user if it can do so.

The user then has the ability to control when the app accesses personal information or the network and how often.

Other than that, the third party development world should have free reign with everything else the iPhone has to offer.

If a company say comes out with a VOIP and microphone for the iPhone/iPod Touch, it should be allowed to work.

If Apple doesn't allow freedom for people to create new innovations without stepping in and be all controlling, then the platform will die a quick death.



@ MacVenom

You download several apps. But since you don't know if they are secure or not (since you didn't download them from iTunes) then it makes you apprehensive...

Actually, being able to download apps from iTunes only is apprehensive to most.

Say for some reason Microsoft makes a iPhone app that seamless connects with Office or Exchange networks and Apple won't pay M$ licensing fees so won't carry it on iTunes.

You need this app to do your million dollar deal with...

Or perhaps you want a iPhone app that does something that would run afoul of the MIAA or RIAA. It's legal in your country, but not in the US. Apple won't carry it on iTunes because...well they don't want to piss off the RIAA.

You see, it's better to have Apple out of things as much as possible, just keep us secure.

Let freedom reign surpreme!!

Requiem 1.0 Apple iTunes 7.6 DRM decrypter.

On the torrents.

I think all this speculation has made me decide to just wait a few days and see what's what. I'll do my whining or praising as the case may be after March 6.
Until then it's just bored bloggers and "journalists" guessing stuff.

Mar 02, 08 - 08:07 pm Comment from: theloniousMac

Suck on all this, Mac dorks.

First of all, just repeat to yourselves, "it's just a rumor, I should really just relax."

Nobody seems to want to have any patience with the iPhone. Keep in mind, this is an entirely new kind of platform Apple is helping to pioneer. It makes sense they'd want some kind of quality controls on the thing to start out with.

And don't be stupid and think that the conditions Apple is establishing now will remain unchanged into the distant future. They denied third-party apps on the iPhone at the very beginning to get behind-the-scenes issues sorted out (including those that would directly impact developers). Now they're probably going to want the initial waves of third-party apps to go through them – partially for quality-control purposes, and partially to help provide continued funding to support the iPhone further.

All of this seems pretty reasonable to me, for a company looking to establish consumer confidence in (and comfort with) a new platform like this – particularly when you have pay-to-say bloggers with itchy trigger-fingers just *waiting* for even the smallest weakness or security "crisis" related to the iPhone.

At some point in the future, once the iPhone/smartphone/geniusphone/whatever market has been firmly established, I have no doubt we'll get the unfettered ability to download and install our own apps onto the thing without having to go through Apple.

Until then, is it too much to ask for a little patience?

MW "nature": Whine and complain about Apple no matter what it does? Just seems to be in our nature.

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Didn't I say HD? Who needs no stinking HDCP?!

Get Transmission and get on board!

Visit PirateBay and search for what you want, although for TV shows it's better to search around for torrent sites that list shows.

Download the torrent file, double click and Transmission will launch and fetch the file from all the other peeps that are hosting it.

Leave Transmission running so it uploads to other peeps. The longer you keep it up, the faster your new downloads will be!

Enjoy your freedom!

Where did this guy come from?

Sheesh, go get a girlfriend or something.

Mar 03, 08 - 12:32 am Comment from: silverhawk

Mad Mac Maniac forgot to put his tin foil helmut on once again. Ignore him is the best policy.

Woz]http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?newsid=20605"]Woz disses iPhone, MacBook Air, and iTunes film rentals[/url]

Revered, if not worshipped, Apple icon levels criticism at Apple. Well, fanbois, what have you have to say about that?

"Revered, if not worshipped, Apple icon levels criticism at Apple. Well, fanbois, what have you have to say about that?"

...

Revered? Worshipped?

He plays Segway polo! What more do we need to say?

Mar 04, 08 - 02:25 pm Comment from: NCIceman

I hope so, but yeah, we're all guessing at this point...