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Says alot about those Brit's!!!!

But the UK is a very good market for Apple.
Why don't they use Safari?

John

AOL's use of an embedded Internet Explorer as its default browser, gives IE an artifical boost in share. When AOL completes its transition HTML (accessable from any browser), its 20 million users (or so) will no longer be locked into IE. What happens to IE's share when that happens?

can you provide some proof that the UK is a good market for apple? I haven't seen numbers shoring that to be the case, even though I have met a lot of brits on various mac sites. that has always confused me.

C'mon Brits, get with the program!

could you explain that AOL HTML thing again. How will the AOL web browser work when they change?

gotta love dem cunuks!

Oi! slow your roll... Mozilla Firefox is a FREE download... Safari isn't and its only available for mac plus bloody windozzzz is everywhere, do that math.

Apple treats us Brit's like second class citizens

I use Firefox on my work and home PCs as well as my new Mac. (switcher here)

I don't know if the percentages are an acurate reflection on the percentage of Macs out there.

(p.s. Canadian here)

and those "knuckle-dragging" Americans just don't appreciate the M$ browser.
Kate
P.S. For the sake of simplistic Euros, that was S-A-R-C-A-S-M.

Oi! So why are you still at 93% IE?

Euros are late adopters.

Brits still drive on the wrong side of the road!

I think those UK numbers are a result of mixing high-tech with pub culture. They describe what happens when you swap tech advice over a few pints--you wake up with a headache and Microsoft.

I'm neither ashamed nor proud to be British.
I moved to Berlin thirty years ago ....
(The coffee was undrinkable in the UK in the 70's and to top it all Thatcher had just come to power)
.... and became a European.
It takes time, but I've shed the last remnants of the petty patriotism which I was (and so many Brits are) inflicted with.

Still .... thoughts of all those over-patriotic Brits drinking their instant coffee and tea-bag tee
(In the fifties and sixties Brits still drank good tea - made with loose leaves)
AND, as I now learn, ALSO surfing with I.E.
makes me just squirm with shame and revulsion.

PS ... Ok, I know there are the exceptions ... those with Macs and good coffee machines and proper teapots ... and, who knows, they might even be on the increase.

Get SAFARI to Windows... it'll see greater growth and some more Apple branding.

I recall reading that some websites that would work fine with Safari limit access to M$ Explorer clients and that some people used a hack to make Safari appear to be IE. If so, wouldn't the statistics be skewed towards IE by at least a small amount?

Just a thought.

interesting... the crazy canucks are more open to new ideas and dropping traditional favorites.

hope for them yet.

"Get SAFARI to Windows... it'll see greater growth and some more Apple branding."


I think thats a great idea actually, however I'd like to see Apple get it working well on the Mac first.

But the UK is a very good market for Apple.
Why don't they use Safari?

Perhaps they do, but they set the browser identifier option to IE, like many of us Safari users do in order to get past IE only coding. Does IE havbe the ability to identify itself as Mozilla or Safari? Didn't think so. This might have skewed the numbers a bit.

Get SAFARI to Windows... it'll see greater growth and some more Apple branding

--

eh? The only reason someone would use Safari OVER Firefox IS Apple Branding.. useless

In related news, Apple's Safari is the first publicly released, non-beta, non-preview browser to pass the Acid2 Test.

Way to go guys!

http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_10.html#a000583

You guys in the US don't want to know how backward the average Brit is at this game. They look blankly at you if you mention Apple Mac - but perk up if you talk about football...

Hey Charko - good decision moving from Britain to Germany because of Margaret Thatcher! ...looks like you have your own Thatcher in Germany now - and boy does it need the Thatcher treatment! Where are you moving to next? ( I'll avoid investing there).

only lazy mac users still use the default Safari... just like lazy windows users still use ie.

firefox rocks.

This means that 85.45% of all computer users are fucktards. Seriously-- how many times do you have to be screwed up the ass before you stop bending over? Is everyone out there just kidding about spyware and viruses? It boggles the mind.

"eh? The only reason someone would use Safari OVER Firefox IS Apple Branding.. useless"

Huh? Safari is a lot less buggy than Firefox. I can't tell you how many times I get a popup, plus a "helpful" message from FF saying that it's blocked a popup. Well, if you've blocked it, why am I still seeing it?

Have they fixed the download bug yet? If you open the Downloads window and close all other windows, the menus stop working.

Gregg Thurman,
Good comment on AOL - so true.

I read these stats another way - there must be at least 3.55% of U.S. users on the Mac platform! Obviously, the real number is actually higher. For example, I use Firefox at home (and, of course, I'm a Mac user - still bitter about being forced to use Windoze at work). So much for the often-quoted 2-3% Mac user base. Give me 4-5%!!!

MSN Magic Word - done
As in, IE is done!

Why all the animosity against the British? I have to say I'm a little offended. At least we know what multiculturalism is. Oh, and we have a welfare state so we don't leave the poor in our country to rot. I can't bo bothered to go on.

Every country has its good points and bad. Don't drag them onto a Mac website, where basing those opinions on our web browser usage is quite frankly absurd.

Tim

Since Tiger and RSS Safari has been constantly crashing on all my computers and several friends. I have been using FireFox and have recently switced to Camino.

Macaday,

yes Thatcher got the British economy going in the American fashion - half the people are well-off or doing all right, and the other half are over-worked and relatively poor.

Depression and suicide in Britain on the increase.
In Germany lower and relatively stable.

When New Orleans got flooded, the mask slipped a bit in the USA and people got an awful glimpse of the real 'state of the nation.'

In the meantime, of course, that's got quickly swept under the carpet by the media.

I don't believe George Bush will go the same way as Richard Nixon -although he's very much worse - for the simple reason that there aren't the newspapers or journalists with the same ideals or independence in the US anymore.

Where you invest your money or not is of no import.

Look rather at Bush's ecological record.

Happy hurricanes to you!

Ahhhhhh hahhahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaahhaah ahhhh macaday who are ya.... who, who are ya.... bitch slapped all up in face.

Gimme a Mac OS and any browser other than IE and I'm a happy guy.

Uugh, if Netscape is the least used browser why did Gap and it's relates stores change their websites to only be Mac compatible with Firefox and Netscape? i get Firefox, but Netscape!! Come on!

IE is best debugging tool for Web Designers, if you page layout looks fine on IE, it should work with FF or Safari with little no tweaks. Can't say that on the reverse as if your page looks good on FF or Safari, it will gurantee to work on IE. LOL

var isDOM = document.getElementById;
if (!isDOM) function document.getElementById(x) { return document.all[x]);
isDOM = true;
}

I'm sorry but those UK numbers are bollocks. My company hosts web sites in the UK that together account for well into the billions of page views a year, and our breakdown is as follows:
MS IE86.11%
Firefox9.85%
Safari2.25%
Opera0.66%
Netscape0.59%
Mozilla0.45%

There you go. We're not a bunch of M$ lackey limeys after all.

It clearly seems... the people of the UK are quite a bit slow to improve for the better and are completely Microsoft brainwashed.

Now it's no wonder the country has the highest amount of "owned" PC bots and the most internet bank fraud victims. Over 35,000 PC's go down because of a Windows update.

AND THE BRITS LIKE TO CALL EVERYONE ELSE STUPID?

A Nigerian eMail scammer and a Brit walked into a local bank...

funny, the dumbass US jerks call others stupid. look into the mirror, brainwashed Billy Bob LOL

I love Netscape, it's the first browser I've ever used. Wow I'm part of a less than 1% group world wide (maybe). I new I was special.

Everyone, I'm not using Apple Safari but Firefox simply because:

My Apple applications wouldn't want to launch. Safari, Address Book, iCal, Calculator etc etc....

I tried trashing the preferences, runs the utilities, it still wouldn't want to launch.

Is there many Mac users out there also facing the same problems?

I still prefer Safari than Firefox. But have to use Firefox until someone give me the solutions to solve this...


Heeeellllllpppp................

One thing I've learned about Macs over the years is it is better to spend 3 hours rebuilding a system than spending a week fooling around trying to work out whats wrong. It's true to say that Macs crash or get screwed up less than windows, but when a mac does decide to go all screwy it does it big time. My advice, wipe your drive off the map.

It is nice to see the numbers go up but just remember this is just a slice of the web and no one know for sure if it is representative of the whole.

I'm a British Opera stalwart. The only trouble is I hav e to set it to identify as IE to let me enter some site and I usually forget to reset it.

Who'da thunk that one day a Mac-only browser would be bigger than Netscape!

And my browser that has the ability to spoof five different browsers on the fly (by menu selection) is counted a number of times, eh? Some sites choke if loaded by anything other than Internet Exploder, yet my humble bank seems to work best when my browser identifies itself as iCab. Anyway, I'd use Shiira and Camino before Firefox.

You'll probably find the Burberry website only renders correctly in IE.



Personally I blame Commodore. Too many Brits got disillusioned with alternatives thanks to that bunch of crooks.

To : Loooong wait for ShortHorn

I'm guessing your problem is a font problem...
Take a look at DeepSix to clean your font caches...
http://versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21905

what the hell is up with all the nation bashing! its about browers, no need to start insulting.

im a brit and use firefox. theres a reason ie is more popular here, and thats because we are less informed. no, not more stupid, just the general public has less knowledge.

usa - countless apple stores, cheaper macs, itunes priority, advertising...

uk - 3 apple stores (all less than a year old), no advertising to speak of, high prices, no incentives.

where was the only firefox ad? time magasine in the us.

dont confuse ignorance and intelligence...