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Just curious... I haven't been following the Vista feature set much since it began to be eviscerated... Are there any useful features in Vista that aren't in Tiger? And if so, are they in Leopard?

Sign me up for a new Mac with Leopard. YeHesss!

Since when did Spring 2007 become ". . .not expected until later in 2007. . ."?

The real Wow will start in March.

It's nearly feeding time at the zoo, and the Leopards are getting hungry.

Moo!

Corection: Vista is MS answer to Panther.

day late, dollar short, as usual

I am sick and tired of hearing people say Vista is equal to Tiger, let alone Leopard or even Panther.

Vista/Longhorn over promised, under delivered and is a mess until SP1 comes out.

Maybe Vista would be equal to Tiger if all the over promised featers actually made it in the final version and they actually worked.

I hope it comes out in March. That would be really cool. I'm excited to see if there are any features we haven't been told about.

and here I thought Vista was M$ wrong answer to tiger.

I just hope that Apple FTFF this time.

With XP being Microsoft's answer to OS 8, and with Vista being merely a glossy update to XP, I'm going to peg Vista as Microsoft's answer to OS 9. Hell, I'll even give 'em OS 9.2.2.

Vista's Explorer is way better than the finder. but then again so is the one in XP so that's no reason to upgradet o Vista. It is probably a better indicator of how much the finder sucks :(

justified --

XP was vastly superior to OS 8 or even OS 9. The functionality and expandibility of XP far superceded 8 and 9. All three were vulnerable to viruses, so security is even.

XP vs the MacOSX versions is a completely different story.

Vista is tainted as an answer to XP sounds more poetic I think.

@ Justified

That would be hilarious... if it wasn't so true !

Vista doesnt give anyone anything new, except for maybe more
problems !

The tide is turning .. expect Leopard to blow away Ballmer
and all his chairs !!

um, apple releases os updates faster than government officials terms are up.

microsoft: not so much

@ jeff

".....All three were vulnerable to viruses, so security is even..."

Even ? .... Hardly !!

Do the numbers ... As I recall .. (and if Im wrong, here, Im sure someone more astute in this area will correct me) .. there were something like ... 60 to 65 virii (total) which affected the classic Macs ...
What about WinDoze ?? ... wasnt it something like 1800 ?

I wouldnt call that "even" !

Apple's official line has never wavered and remains "scheduled to ship in spring 2007."

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Actually, Apple's initlal official line was "Late 2006 to early 2007 or about the same time Vista ships." - Steve Jobs WWDC

"Vista's Explorer is way better than the finder."

I agree. The OS X version of the finder is the one of the weakest areas in the OS. I was much happier with the Finder in OS 9. I've gotten used to OS X, but I don't "love" it.

(@Emil)
How is Explorer better than Finder? Lately, I've had to use XP a fair amount and find Explorer much less intuitive than Finder. Maybe I've just gotten used to Finder, but I find I can do anything I want with Finder just by applying its general principles to something new. Whereas Explorer seems much more restricted and I have to discover exactly how to do whatever it is I want to do.
Am I missing something?
Jake

Vista amounted to Microsoft's answer to Tiger. When it was still Longhorn, it was MS' answer to Panther, but ... times change. So, since Tiger was the Mac OS when Vista was released, Tiger is what's being "answered". Still, it isn't a really GOOD answer. If it were, then Leopard might be considered an "answer to Vista", but Vista isn't even selling credibly well. Else why the complaints about Piracy?
Vista caught the glamor of Tiger, et al. It also managed to hold on to some of the features that cause Tiger to stand head and shoulders above XP - but not many of them. Worse - for current owners - is that most who would upgrade the OS will also have to upgrade the hardware, to something costing nearly as much as a Mac. Why not go the whole way? Get a half-price 3-year-old refurb that will easily run Leopard ... for less. Yeah ... a 3-year-old PC is worth ... nothing? ... while a 3-year-old Mac is just catching its second wind.

DLMeyer - the Voice of G.L.Horton's Stage Page

I think Leopard is going to be the cat's meow...with a little marketing, I think even the mainstream press might come to see it as being in a different league than Vista.

Report, not rumor, gossip, speculation, or hearsay? Has MDN gone crazy? You guys do realize that you're now accountable, right?

Leopard is the "answer" to Vista? Best comic writing I have read today.

> The operating system is touted as an answer to Microsoft's Vista...

That can be accurate in a way. If Leopard is the "answer" to Vista (the question), it goes something like this.

Question: How do fix the mess I've made buy upgrading to Vista?
Answer: Get a Mac with Leopard.

Gimme a fscking break. This guy just got his info from Think Secret!

I thought OSX (10.1) was amazing, compared to ballmas and gates offering.
Vista isnt trying to compete with Mac OS, merely copy it, and rely on the consumers Stupidity and ignorance to think its acceptable. People arn't as un-informed as they were in 1995. I hope the minute-flaccid people.. have there true colours revealed, It isnt that I think much of computers, its more that It is very comfortable and safe in the world of OSX

No, Leopard doesn't have to answer to anything especially Vista which doesn't do any better than OSX beta. Leopard will be at a much higher level than anything Microsoft could ever think of let alone do.

Apple answered Microsoft Windows Vista 5 years ago.

No, you aren't missing anything. The Finder is about a gazillion times more intuitive than Explorer in my opinion. I hate that one can navigate virtually nothing in Windows via keyboard shortcuts. Oh, I know they're there for some things, but they are a pain in the arse compared to the Mac. I've used some of them so long in the Mac OS I don't remember where the actual menu commands are anymore! lol! I could see where if one was accustomed to using the mouse for file navigation, Exlporer might have something to offer. As for me though, that's one of the reasons I prefer the Mac OS--I am used to very speedy computing that doesn't require me to be shackled to the mouse. Throw in Spotlight and Widgets and my mouse is getting mighty lonesome. If we are indeed headed in the direction of totally intuitive touch screen navigation you can call me happy. I fully expect Apple to just utterly and completely dust the ass of Windpws and computing as we know it over the next decade, yet again. And before anyone starts yammering, I know that Apple doesn't necessarily develop the technologies, but they are better than anyone else at putting them together in a way that makes sense, that's for sure.

Vista was the answer?
What was the question?

@@Jake: I don't want to be the PC apologist (I prefer Macs), but Windows is just as navigable via the keyboard as OS X is, if not more so. There are keyboard shortcuts for EVERYTHING in Windows. (Of course, to some people that is called "bloat," not "features.") The Mac is slightly handicapped in this area, although by turning on various accessibility options it is possible to gain much of the same functionality.

Back to the topic, I hope Leopard is released soon. I am aiming to purchase a MacBook Pro shortly after the release of both Leopard and Adobe CS3. I can hardly wait....

I need XCode 3. Apple when is Leopard coming???? aaaaaahhhhh

I don't use XP much but where in the Explorer, is the UNIX style column navigation option? All I ever see is icons or nested lists. Without column navigation, XP is no where close to the Mac OS Finder. Furthermore, the Dock is really part of the OS navigation system and again, XP has no comparable functionality.

Not to get into a war over features but really, the Finder, with all its shortcomings, is eminently easier to use than Explorer..

That gives them a couple of months to stabilize it before iPhone is out the door.

I was much happier with the Finder in OS 9. I've gotten used to OS X, but I don't "love" it.
Remember you can go back to the classic-style Finder by clicking on the top right tab in a window.

Expect Octo-Core Mac Pro's as well

From what I've seen, Leopard is still very much not ready to go gold just yet, particularly on the server side.

Wouldn't surprise me if they hold it all back 'till WWDC.

Not a chance. When you tell hundreds of engineers that they've got until June to ship something, they'll take as much time as you've given them. We had the same silly rumor about Puma, Jaguar, and Tiger.

-jcr

Has anyone tried Vista? Wow, I cannot believe how bloated it seems. And inconsistent. And just so very wierd. Click on the START button and one of the choices that shows up is "Experiences." This is Microsoft's way of referring to documents/pictures/videos/etc. -- "experiences."

Very, VERY strange.

Microsoft is getting really bizarro on us.

Hey guys I just send this email to dell? Good idea?

"dell get some balls and put linux on . you B** off loosers shouldn't wait to be told you inbread fKheads..."

LOL: PS Only ppl who will buy Vista is Old ladys LOL Techs hate it. Geek will steal

PS: hows everything, Still don;'t have a job 2 weeks of rent left. Arrrh.

Awesome Anthony,

Thanks for the letter. Don't call us, we'll call you. With fans like you, who needs enemies, right? See ya!

Dell Personell Manager

Fire your Call center isn Sydney Steve,

PS: Kick their arse employ anyone who is angry and violent normally they are clever. LOL

PS: Anyone need a Macintohs designer , graphic designer?

Ta

Those pre-OS X Mac viruses were nearly as dead in the water as any attempt is now at infecting an OS X machine, and for the same reason. It was too difficult to get them to do anything. Most of them, probably more than half, were pre-web, anyway. They could propogate only through floppies — or by MacAddict that distributed a virus when one of their CDs was infected.

I've been running pre-OS X since 1991 (9 and OS X since 10.2) and have yet to run across a virus. And, of course, 9 is safer than ever with each passing decade. Think how safe it'll be in 100 years!

It's true, you practically have to beg Explorer to let you see a folder tree...

Three or so clicks to get a decent layout of the file structure and even then it doesn't stick.

laame-O

Leopard is Apple's inspiration for Microsoft's mediocracy, no matter what MS does.

Explorer fans, use the Search field in the Finder instead of Spotlight... oops... I mean, use the Spotlight IN the Finder!!

Forgot to say this.

When Ballmer spouted off about how Vista was going to address the user experience, I had no idea they were just going to address the experience by moving into the Start button's previous residence !!


The only person I know who got Vista was the Epson Rep I met this weekend at BestBuy. She got Vista to install on her mother's PC. She said it was so bad, she returned Vista and reinstalled XP (I was going to say worked so badly, but what she described didn't qualify as work of any kind.) Meanwhile, her husband has been "hanging out a lot" at the local Mac reseller's store.

Wouldn't that be interesting to hear her tell a customer thinking about buying a PC.

FTFF

Why all the complaining about the Finder?

FinancialWire...

Just what we need, yet another jaded financial news service.

I swear, MS has pretty much got the entire business world into this merky mediocrity which says something like, "...if it isn't mediocre, its not meant for business, its meant for creative types..." You will never convince me that the most successful business types go where they are without incredible creativity.

But this has nothing to do with the FinancialWire "report" you say...? Take another sniff, the mediocrity is in there and its being pushed hard. I would argure that its really the whole point of the "report". The business world, except for those that have really made it, is so desparate to dumb the Mac down to the Windows level its down-right laughable sometimes.

I worked with computers since I was old enough to use them. The first Operating Systems I starting working with were Windows 95 and OS 7 (16/32-bit), but I have went back to both companies history and through all there operating systems. Instead of thinking that each OS is an anwser to each other; think of the fact of software miagration to hardware to meet consumer demands. Apple has a more select demographic with there one of a kind computer company with there own Operating Systems. They are great in terms of supporting some of the newest hardware, security, simplicity, and graphic arts. Microsoft however appeals to a more broader demographic entailing many computer hardware companies, businesses, schools, home users, and almost anything else. Microsoft's Operating System design is more friendly to edits, modifications, hardware, and is cheaper in it's many forms of variety to meet the customers needs. You have to remember these companies are in it for the profits and meeting demand. You can compare Apple to Microsoft but, keep in mind that there are many differential factors. Windows XP and Vista -32&64;bit editions = OS 10.4-5 are the anwser to 64-bit processors, 3D OS, higher level of security, etc. and with both brands comes updates. Personally get a computer that suits your needs/ works well; instead of a computer which is better or has more bells & whistles. Personally I choose Windows for being more supportive and open minded to customer, being able to adapt so well to the market at a more affordable price then Macs. However I support both and like what they have been able to produce. Currently I use Windows XP PRO and it runs great with it totally updated and secure, but I making the move to Windows Vista Ultimate Edition with my 30GB Ipod (lol). I hope OS 10.5 and Windows Vista do well to meet consumer needs.