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Let the unjustified rants begin!!!

Bill Gates has a small penis, or so I've been told.

Oh, just forget it, NoMacForYou took the wind from my sails. Now I just can't come up with anything.

Why is Longhorn always categorized as an animal? Isnt it a Sports Bar at the foot of The Whistler Ski Resort?

It was a joke...I know all of you have already used longhorn, as it is just a "more" bloated" XP right? Or wait..ITS OS X.3


"Reaction" As in for every ACTION there is a REACTION.

Speaking of Microsoft and beta versions... is it just me, or has Microsoft released awfully many beta or pre-release versions of its software lately? Didn't they open their music store in beta phase? And then this adware/anti-virus software... yes, releasing beta version of an operating system is competely diffenrent thing, but it doesn't look good when all they can release is BETA something. Which, of course, gives Mac users something to rant about. :-D

You're better off going to the Dubh Linn Gate pub when you get off the slopes...

Hm.

Tiger will be available in the first half of 2005.

Longhorn Beta 1 will be available in the first half of 2005.

It will be interesting to see who releases first. Of course, the theory is that Apple will release Tiger before Microsoft release Longhorn Beta because Microsoft will have to copy it. But I could see Microsoft trying to release it first to steal a little thunder from Tiger.

Yeah, they have been releasing more and more beta's. The difference between todays beta and beta's a year or two ago, is that today, they actually materialize into usable product, instead of being labeled as vaporware. Hey, at least they arent paper launching anything these days..

It's XP with lipstick. Nothing more.

Now taking Bets: First Longhorn Virus predicted in June 2005.

Err... with all that butchering, what is even left? Sounds like this cow is not going to have a lot of meat. Plenty of bloated fat though, I'm sure...

NoMacForYou,

It must be a bitch being a Microsoft apologist.

Shitty job.

We all feel for ya buddy.

Did he really say 'in the first half of 2005'? Isn't that the exact same words Jobs used to describe when Tiger would be ready?

I reckon MS will try to steal Apple's OSX release thunder, by taking some air time, but that everyone will compare the Windows beta to Tiger. It will be looked at as the big event.

And we all know how that one goes, don't we?

Already posted this in the Fortune article thread, but I really need someone calming me down. So:

"Anyone notice this in the Fortune article?

"This spring, Apple will unveil Tiger, an update of its OS X operating system that, at $129 a pop, will generate hundreds of millions of dollars of high-profit sales."
?
This spring? Is this just a mistake or does the writer have some kind of inside info?
I mean "spring" ends in what, April-May? Surely June can't be counted as spring?

What is this???"

Jon, spring ends June 20. A Tiger release on or before that date is technically in "spring."

Why does it seem that people are comparing a Beta 1 release Lomghorn to a Retail release of OS X????

Longhorn, schmonghorn.... EXCEPT.... by all reports Longhorn will require some pretty hot hardware and lots of ram to run....

Which means, Windows users running older equipment will be faced with the choice of having to upgrade their hardware - and will of course also look at the Mac.

Mac wins.

M$ is going to get the crap kicked out of them if they release a beta this spring. It will, indeed, be compared to 10.4 which is a very mature and well designed OS. The comparison will be very bad and will really hurt their chances of a good rollout of final product in 2006. People will not cut Longhorn any slack just like they didn't cut 10.0 any slack; other than the true fanatics that is.

"However, Longhorn has changed significantly since then,..."

Yeah, after they saw all the new stuff in OSX and had to change their copying. Before Longhorn was going to be a knockoff of OS9...

Longhorn will be like taking putty and spray paint and trying to make a 2010 Ferrari out of a 1970s Ford Pinto...

NoMacForYou,

The rants are justified. Isn't longhorn MS's most over-promised and under-delivered product EVER? When a corporation like MS manages to grunt out a pile of shit the size of longhorn, they've earned the rants.

Anyway longhorn has been in beta for a while now anyway. It's called Windows XP. We'll see if MS can even manage to rename everything correctly. My money is on them fscking that up too.

I wonder if the decision to release the beta in june will be the same month as tiger...

IF so, Microsoft is gonna try to compete with press with Apple.

This is more than a co-incidence - I reckon Apple should release Tiger in May just to piss off Microshit.

you know that it'll be in beta for about a year and a half. And will still have "quirks" in the final release.

NoMacForYou posted: "I know all of you have already used longhorn, as it is just a "more" bloated" XP right? Or wait..ITS OS X.3"

Okay, NoMacForYou, you've made a rather interesting comment there, that by a not-so-long leap of logic implies something rather unjustified itself, IMO. So, I invite you to justify that remark, while making the logic you implied more obvious.

So here's the question: Just HOW is OS X 10.3 "more" bloated than XP or even the beta version of longhorn? Hmmm?

DaveT: Why does it seem that people are comparing a Beta 1 release Lomghorn to a Retail release of OS X????
Glick7: "[...] by all reports Longhorn will require some pretty hot hardware and lots of ram to run."

Yes, but you see, this is even better for the Windows apologists.

"This sucks compared to Tiger" -- Well, it's only Beta 1. OS X Preview wasn't all that hot, either.
"It's slow compared to Tiger!" -- Well, it hasn't been optimized yet. I'm sure that, by the time Microsoft is done, it will run like a rocket on your Centrino.

In other words, any place where Longhorn is better than Mac OS X, the Windows users can trumpet. Everywhere else, where it loses, they can just say, "Well, yeah, but it's beta."

Winston,

That's a real shame.
I've always thought of June as a really "summery-month". Well, suppose it depends a bit on where you live also..
Not the official definition of spring/summer of course, but the perception of what's what....

Er... what am I doing?
I guess I'm just disappointed if we won't see Tiger in what I like to think of as "spring"!

Thanks for the clarification, though.

Mac OS X Panther is here now. I am using it right now. Schlonghorn is still nothing more than a stain in Billy's pants. Until it actually scrapes itself off and actually grows into something USEFUL, there's really no debate here.

Longhorn is just going to be a repackaged Win XP SP 3. In fact that's what they should call it, Windows SP.

aaaah so this is comparable to ... what.. the first beta of Tiger, which was released....6 months ago...?? When was the Tiger beta brought out... (keep in mind.. Tiger actually has new features, whereas Longhorn will have Aqua+placeholders where the innovation is supposed to go.. in coming years)

Hazard's Dad,

Windows SP! LOL!

Seriously, has MS came up with a release name for The-OS-formerly-intended-as-Longhorn? SP would be very apt.

Go on, Ballmer, rrrushhh it out; you can't afford to wait.

Magic Word: Suddenly, as in the blue screen of death.

Hey ... something's missing in Sean Glick's graphic: blood.

I remember way back in 2000 when OS X beta came out. 5 years later, M$ comes out with their beta? I guess that means by 2010 M$ will have something comparable to Panther. Yup, I'm worried for sure.

another patch please oh Father may I

The more I read about Microsofts OS of the future the more it sounds like all the new features are being put off. From Longhorn to shorthorn. Now they should call it no horn!

Longhord BETA, codename: Cleveland Steamer

Oh yeah, this is going to be a double decker shit sandwich for the MicroSoft boys. I hope Gates brought his appetite...

longhorn is based on mac OS1 like all the previous versions init

Longhorn as promised died a long time ago. The "new" Longhorn is an XP "kludge" , which itself is a "kludge" of Windows 2000, which is a "kludge" of Windows NT. Don't know what a kludge is?

OnmiDictionary (WordNet 2.0)
kludge
n : a badly assembled collection of parts hastily assembled to
serve some particular purpose (often used to refer to
computing systems or software that has been badly put
together)

Longhorn and Kludge are synonyms. Like Microsoft and feces.

synonym
n : two words that can be interchanged in a context are said to
be synonymous relative to that context [syn: equivalent
word]

feces
n : solid excretory product evacuated from the bowels [syn: fecal
matter, faecal matter, faeces, BM, stool, ordure,
dejection]

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Not putting your filesystem in your OS, to later add it? Huh? Why even create yet another filesystem? Howzabout just making what you have work? sheesh.

Al,

thanks, that was the first post in a while (on this site) that made me laugh.

Jon,

in a way, you're not so far off the mark. The 'meteorological' seasons are, I believe, as follows:-

Winter:- December, January, February
Spring:- March, April, May
Summer:- June, July, August
Autumn:- September, October, November.

So I have this idea for a Longhorn logo, but lack the creative skills to bring it to life. I offer it up to those who can envision and appreciate it (and if you could possibly create/Photoshop it, I think we'd all get a kick out of it).

Picture a longhorn steer - full 5 foot spread of horns on a big head - with a tiny (or malnourished) body. The head is down on the nose with the body overbalanced and sticking up into the air behind it to indicate the hype on the front end and the lack of features or substance in the carcass.

Does anyone else think this would be a good representation? It would be even funnier if it gets picked up by the major media.

"Summer" in the northern hemisphere doesn't begin officially until June 21st. So that means Tiger will be here by June 20th. So Winston is correct.

BuriedCaesar: I think you need to read my post again. Let me put it in more simplistic terms for you. (As if it couldnt get any simpler the 1st time)

Being that you're a Mac user and claim that you hate windows or anything coming from the Redmond Camp. And you justify all of your remarks about longhorn based on what you have seen in a demo or something other than that or maybe you’ve used the last PDC Alpha. (Which wasn't a beta by the way, it was an alpha minus the new kernel build) You really must honestly think that longhorn is infact xp re-bloated. I wasnt saying that OS X is bloated. I was saying that longhorn (in a mac users eyes) will just be yet another bloated version of XP (SP3). When infact, I was just implying that most mac users are so quick to jump in and say, "MS, being the usual copy cat they are, will copy tiger". However, your rants go unjustified as though you have actually used the final product known only as "Longhorn" and that you are aware of all of the features, the bugs, the driver issues and so on...All without even using the product. If any of you had any real understanding of longhorn and what is behind it. You might actually wait for the product release and see for yourselves. Instead you all make insufferable comments like...”MS is copying us again”....”If you dont have a computer with enough power you cant run it” (BS)...When really, the fact remains that not a single one of you have actually used it/seen it, developed applications with Whidbey or .Net 2.0. You have no idea what things in the OS have changed, the new technologies behind it, the differences in the frameworks between XP and LH, or what it takes to program in longhorn. Some of these things are infact huge leaps forward in the direction of managed code that will force developers to write better software on windows, make it more secure, more reliable, and less sophisticated. MS has done one thing right in the past two years. The programming behind windows has changed so dramatically and become so increasingly manageable that any form of Unix App development environment will get blown out of the water. I’m not saying that the final product will be the best OS ever developed. But the tools to develop applications for LH will be superior to anything ever seen before in the windows world or the *nix world. You have to give any company credit where credit is due. For Apple, I give credit to them for OSX, the iPod/iTunes. With Redmond you have to give them credit for innovation in the development arena. They have created tools that are light years ahead of the competition in terms of usability, security and reliability and portablility. I’ve used those tools…Have you? Call me a MS apologist if you will. But I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that most of you probably don’t know a thing about the development of Operating Systems. You don’t hear me bashing Tiger. I havent used the final product, so what the hell can I say about it? I’ve used the beta. And it was far from perfect, but again, it wasn’t final.

Regarding the development cycle of LH. We have had to wait awhile for LH. But did it ever occur to any of you that over the past 8 years we’ve gone through massive OS migrations, from 98, to NT, to 2000, to XP…Im glad I have another year or two before rollout of a new one. Its better than migrating all of those boxes once a year. Even with OS X, its beginning to be a pain in the ass having to upgrade to a new version OS every year… Anyways, im done…

Brought to you by "children" as in "By judging an unfinished OS, using nothing but media coverage, you are all acting like children"

Grrrrilla wrote:

"So I have this idea...but lack the creative skills to bring it to life."

Don't feel bad, MS knows what that's like. At least you aren't throwing tens of billions of dollars into a R&D;black hole.

For what its worth, a couple of major publishers list the arrival date for their OS X 10.4 Tiger books as March 25th 2005. Previous OS versions have also came out on March 25th.

Why do the MS apologists say wait and see? MS has already announced that the three main technological improvements have been either delayed, dilluted, or deleted. By dilluted, I mean watered down so that instead of being a completely new from the ground up OS (like X compared to 9) it will be made backwards compatable with the mess that is XP/2000/ME/98/95/3.11/DOS In other words, same stuff, different day. Complete backwards compatability with ALL existing virii, spyware, adware and etc.

Tiger when it arrives will be a finished, functional product. Yes, it will still have some things that need to be solved and tweaked, but that is true of any OS. Longhorn on the otherhand will be a beta, not finished or complete. It will be lacking any true innovation or functionality beyond what XP offers (see above), Longhorn is being RUSHED out the door to correspond with or slightly beat the release date of Tiger. Typical MS practice, Here it is, buy now and be confident that the next couple of service packs will take of a few of the problems you will be experiencing. To be fair, it felt that way with OS X 10.0 and .1 as well, but being a Mac guy, and since it was a complete re-write/ overhaul from OS 9 I cut it some slack, and still used OS 9 untill 10.2 came out. Longhorn won't be new, it will be more like XP SP3 beta. And we all know how well SP2 turned out ; )

Pu-Lease like tiger is on MS's agenda....I think you need to dilute your alcohol Darknite...Longhorn being backwards compatible is a good thing..Its saves people money. Something you guys arent accustomed to..I remember from 9 - X there was this huge uproar about incompatabilities. If you had just bought illustrator 9 for 9 you were screwed. Go spend 500 bucks for the OS X version..That Sucks..Oh and for the record...OSX isnt a complete re-write..most of the underlying code is almost 40 years old...And you guys think its new...LOL!!

Stupid