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Or they could sell with Windows XP license, like MS does with Virtual PC.

If I were Microsoft I would jump ship from the OS game let Apple take over and concentrate on Office and Web Services. Of course I'm not Microsoft but I can dream.

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That's actually not a bad idea, especially if Apple gets concessions on the licensing fees from Microsoft which they could then pass on to the consumer.

And thanks for not crowing about "first post" by the way.

It would appear that Apple wants to get really serious as a hardware vendor to run other OS besides X.

Apples server and storage business has been growing steadily and building fans for ease of use and low cost.

Apple could always sell it like they do with iLife: have it pre-loaded on all new systems, and also ship it by itself.

It would appear this is just a rumor....
still waiting for the video iPod and iPhone and 3GHz Macs and tablet PC and media center and...

It would be nice if the development included a storage/buffer area that was shared with OS X so that files could easily be exchanged between the different platforms on the same computer.

This is their solution to the corporate world. With this, companies could setup their networks while running the windows boxes where necessary (and believe me, it's a necessity in some environments) and then for your administration and regular workflow you could stick to reliable Apples.

This is their "in" into the market and is gonna make a huge splash if delivered properly. I can't wait.

LOLLLLLLLL id like to see this happen.

How does this idea fit with Apple's statement that it will not support runing Windows on Intel Macs?

Great now when Jobs releases "Chameleon" enabled OS X at Mac World we all have to stomach Boy George coming out from backstage with an iPod on. Singing...you guessed it.

:(

MacOsXRumors is as reliable as WMD in Iraq. their info is way off all the time. so skip this article.

Move along.

Don't hold your breath.

Queezie,
I use my video ipod every day...and the itunes phone has been out for some time...I don't need it but I know people who love it..3GHZ macs? Well,
don't worry about it...they will be here soon enough and frankly Steve had it right...IBM had it wrong... Tablet PC? keep your eyes on the end of this month...Media center? If you haven't looked the intel Mac mini with FrontRow already blows away most of the Windows systems out there and is being used in just that way...as a media center but quite a few people. It hasn't been specifically marketed that way...yet. But it will be.

PS- I watch the video ipod output on a 27 inch monitor...It looks just fine.

I can't imagine Apple supporting such a buggy and insecure OS on their computer. If they sell this, they'll have the same flood of phone calls about virus checkers, crashes, rebooting and reinstalling Windows. BUT, if Apple makes a Windows emulator, basically making a better Windows OS than Microsoft does, converting the program code into a Mac OS X code (another side to Rosetta?), then it won't have any of the weaknesses of Windows and they could avoid all of the legal licensing hassles.

"How does this idea fit with Apple's statement that it will not support runing Windows on Intel Macs?"

I think they meant booting Windows on a Mac, but this sounds like it would be running within Mac OS X.

"Sources also claim that Apple is developing the technology hand in hand with partners such as Intel and Microsoft."

Hopefully more with Intel than MS. Seeing MS's recent OS track record, I really doubt they'd be much help.

Awesome plan! Line Microsoft's pockets with yet more licensing revenue while expanding Windows marketshare onto previously untapped Mac hardware. Brilliant!!!!

I know something that will be in Mac OS X 10.5!

It will be voice and video files that you can add or play in Mail using all the built in video camera's Apple is including in Mac's.

How do I know this? I can't tell you, but it will be there.

Oh, it will also play on PC's and downsize so that it won't clog email boxes.

How's this for a possibility:

10.5 runs Windows apps near-seamlessly, ala Classic.
10.5 is deployable on PC's. No hacks.
10.5 ships before Vista.

Is Steve finally "going nuclear"??

A friend of mine, a thirty year I.T. veteran warned of something like this by saying: Hang on what if software developers stop writing software for Macs because Apple machines will then have access to Windows?" Hmmm.

Don't get me wrong I'm not criticising this rumour, I'm just saying that there may be a downside to this possible move.

Name: "Fast System Switching"
The rotating cube takes me to actively running processes in
Linux or Windows, then spin me back to my lovely Mac.

I woke up this morning. Had a bowl of cereal. Frosted Mini Wheats. Then I checked MacDailyNews and felt the need to reply to each and every article.

Then I took a shower and put on my clothes. I then checked MDN again and replied to all the comments in each and every article as if anyone were paying attention.

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I was 1 hour and 30 minutes late for work. Where I spent 15 minutes per hour checking and replying to each and every new article plus some of the old ones to see if I needed to reply to any of my replies.

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Shortly after work one of my bosses stopped by. I happened to be writing on MDN at the time so I minimized the browser just in time. Unfortunately the window behind it was Windows Media player that had frozen in the middle of a beastiality pornographic video I had been watching before lunch. For some reason I guess pornography is frowned upon where I work. I mean as far as watching at work. Which I was not aware of. I must have missed that memo while not actually reading any of the articles posted on MDN but nevertheless giving my idiotic opinion on each and every one of them.

So I am now unemployed. I really liked that job. I am thinking now I may go back and finish 6th grade. Maybe even go to middle school.

Anyway my mom says she may get rid of our internet connection. She says it is not productive and that being 32 years old now I should probably start paying for my own bills and food and stuff.

So I may not be seeing you guys as much and I will miss you while I'm gone.

See you soon!

The perfect solution for running Windows apps on a Mac would be WINE. I bet Apple have already be running that for years now and just like with Intel are waiting to pull the trigger.

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens with 10.5, but I also bet that M$ will retaliate by killing the MacBU.

If they implement VM systems instead, they will have to find a sure fire way to prevent an malicious window virus from attacking the Mac portion.

Great move Apple. Invite the Wolf to dinner.

MacDude!

Will you just please GO AWAY!!

Nobody likes your mindless rambling!

I don't care how long you have been a loyal Mac user, your crazy and need to leave.

"but I also bet that M$ will retaliate by killing the MacBU."

Possibly. But there are a few factors:

1. Antitrust. Speaks for itself.

2. Windows. MS needs all the BU's it has to support the albatross.

3. Credibility. Security issues and the Vista disaster are already cutting hard into the empire. Does MS need any more bad press with a very public retaliation?

Macs go omni-directional - anything in to anything out, how's that for compatibility.

Apple would be free to innovate wildly on the software side. Screw the other vendors, you want their software, run it anyway you want because Apples run anything!

But, if you want killer apps like Final Cut and Logic and fun free apps like iDVD and iPhoto, you're gonna need OS-X.

Choice is good.

"If I were Microsoft I would jump ship from the OS game let Apple take over and concentrate on Office and Web Services. Of course I'm not Microsoft but I can dream."

This was Bill Gates' original idea way back in the '80s. Apple stupidly turned him down.

"Great move Apple. Invite the Wolf to dinner.

But the Wolf is weak from frantically chasing its own tail.

The PC world is very hungry for a new OS, and nobody's seriously expecting Vista to meet its current January 2007 deadline. The PC makers gotta be pissed that they won't have a new OS for the 2006 holidays. Only if there was an alternative...

It's time for Apple to hit MS when they're down.

"The PC world is very hungry for a new OS,..."

You're hanging out with the 3%...

re:"A friend of mine, a thirty year I.T. veteran warned of something like this by saying: Hang on what if software developers stop writing software for Macs because Apple machines will then have access to Windows?" Hmmm"

Simple answer: Mac programmers tend to write better software than Windows programmers. They will still write better software, and people who program like most Windows programmers will still what they do, which is write average to poor software.

But there will be more Macs out there in the world, so.............

Do I have to finish the thought?

Yes, I am sure I will have to complete the thought for some of you.

More Macs=More Mac software. It is not rocket science. Even rocket science isnt when you break it down to its elements.

MacOSXRumors, creates stuff out of thin air.

They haven't been right once in years.


And by the way I like MacDude, he's a close personal friend of mine.

I could see Apple coming up with a way to do this so that developers could support multiple operating systems. I don't expect Apple to actually, like, bundle Windows or use WINE or anything like that. That's what Apple calls "An excellent third-party opportunity."

In other words, Apple comes up with a clean way to do it so that OS X doesn't get confused when the operating system swaps out and another one swaps in. At that point, Apple is done. It's up Microsoft's Virtual PC to handle the rest.

This is being built into Intel's processors. Linux and Windows will also have this capability so Apple must do this.

You're hanging out with the 3%

Really?

From The Wall Street Journal, 3/23/06:
"Management issues came under scrutiny Tuesday when the software giant said it would release Vista in January 2007, missing this year's important holiday season and coming at least two months after industry watchers expected the <b>badly needed update</i> to the software used on more than 90% of all personal computers."

Well, the WSJ is hardly in the kook fringe, and "badly needed" isn't exactly a vote of confidence in XP.

So if the PC world isn't very hungry for Vista, that means:
PC users will be happy with XP as-is for the foreseeable future,
PC vendors will be happy going into the holidays with nothing new,
MS is in no hurry to get Vista right.

If there's no need for Vista, why scramble it out the door? Why not push it back another two years? Or three? Why not take the time to perfect it?

Or is the 90% of the PC market saying something otherwise?

"I know something that will be in Mac OS X 10.5!

It will be voice and video files that you can add or play in Mail using all the built in video camera's Apple is including in Mac's."

Like the "Lip Service" feature that was originally in NeXTSTEP 3.0? - I was wondering why they hadn't included something like that already. Hopefully your rumor will become reality.

Also -

ATTENTION ALL MACDUDE HATERS:

You call him a troll, yet you CONTINUALLY respond to him. If you don't like what he has to say, then simply STFU. Geez about 10% of the posts around here are people telling MacDude to go away. It would be nice not to have to wade through all the "I hate MacDude" posts - they are getting tiresome.

Let the fucking guy post. If you have a counter argument, then go ahead and make your comments. "MacDude - go away" posts are a waste of space.

I've got to give credit where credit is due - MacDude takes a serious beating, but keeps getting back up. He doesn't seem to give a fuck about your "I hate MacDude" posts, so quit writing them. FNA!

And before you even think about saying it - NO, I AM NOT MacDude!!

MacDude,

all the best and have a good life.

Even though my opinion was often different, I think you brightened up this forum.

I think this would be a killer feature for Leopard. I hope this rumor is true and Apple does it.

"The PC world is very hungry for a new OS"

Well, PC makers are, at least. We already know they've been lobbying Apple to license OS X. And that's the only way it will gain significant market share.

Alas with Apple opening Apple Stores like there's no tomorrow, I can't see it happening. (Then again, I couldn't see the Intel move happening either)

Why would Apple need Microsoft's help to do this? That doesn't make sense.

What most seem to forget:

1. Windows would run like Classic runs now in OS X, i.e., in a sandbox, so if Windows crashed it would not affect OS X at all. Same thing for the virus problem.

2. Like VirtualPC YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUY A WINDOWS VISTA LICENSE!
Don't go thinking M$ would include a license in Leopard, you would have to buy it separately yourself. Those that don't want to, can simply ignore this feature or (like myself) uncheck it at installation time (this will probably be an option at installation time, I hope...).

3. This would be a very smart move from Apple: it would show how lame those present hacks are to run Windows on a Mac and would give the support big companies want when it comes to run both systems on a Mac since this would be an official way of doing it. Besides, since it is now an X86 architecture machine, both systems would run at full speed, or at least a very decent one under virtualization in the Windows case.

I've wished Billy would just do his xBox thing and M$ Office, and let Apple take over the world's operating systems. The computer world would be a safer, better place to live in.

I've wished Billy would just do his xBox thing and M$ Office, and let Apple take over the world's operating systems.

If MS can't get get Vista together, Billy might not have a choice.

Let's see, within the next ten months MS wants to:
1. Do a major management shakeup in its Windows group.
2. Completely overhaul it's Windows coding culture (i.e. install discipline).
3. Redo 60% of Vista and have it ready for release, amid the chaos of 1 & 2.

Even the most optimistic MS fanboy can see these are hopelessly lofty goals for the timeframe. I believe that Vista has become a mainstream joke, and people are just waiting for the next delay announcement.

At what point does MS and/or the PC world give up on a new Windows?

The "virtualisation software" rumored to be included in Leopard would, if the rumor is reasonably correct, allow someone to install a second OS on their MacIntel system and run that OS in a window on their OSX desktop. Such software could easily be included with the OS, or with iWork, or - I guess - could be marketed as a stand-alone product.

It doesn't DO anything, really. It LETS you do something. Of course, there will be penalties! Unless Apple takes great care to set this up so it commandeers its own core - a core that has no other OS on running on it - then running this (with Linux or Windows on it) will cause an instant degradation in performance. And the performance of the apps you run in that window will be less than stellar as well. This may be much preferred to no performance at all or to a second system on/under your desk, but it's hardly a great solution for regular use.

Back to the "virtualisation" thing ... might Apple be creating software that will allow you to dedicate one of your multiple cores/CPUs to running a second OS? Rather than creating performance stealing middleware like VPC, segmenting the computer into two (more?) virtual machines - each with dedicated RAM, a dedicated partition on the HD, and a dedicated core/CPU? IBM already lets folk do this on their mainframes, Apple's version would be much smaller in scale.

Oh ... and Apple would not be "supporting" Windows, or Linux, or FreeVMS, or whatever the user cares to install on that virtual machine. They just sold you the ability to "create a virtual machine" - what you choose to do with it is your business, concern, problem.

Great idea! Still many, many schools, businesses and people will buy a Dell, Gateway or other commodity box because they are dirt cheap.