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Let the UN-whining begin....

Dec 20, 07 - 11:21 am Comment from: Spark

It's obvious that Leopard was shipped out with a few loose ends to keep to the "end of October" ship promise. Let the polishing begin!

Dec 20, 07 - 11:24 am Comment from: Ampar

I'll bet those screenshots won't be up for long.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:28 am Comment from: AAPL

the fan is a Human interface design
it follows the natural curve of your wrist and fingers
for touch display and better ergonomics
this will take time to understand
putting the old way back is important and should have been there from .0 but it was more important to get the iphone launched

MDN is almost always right, but this OS X user happens to love the new Leopard functions.

GAH, please just fix the speaker pop already!!!!

Dec 20, 07 - 11:34 am Comment from: iamdj

Will it be snappier?

YEAH!

Dec 20, 07 - 11:38 am Comment from: stormy

Hope it is true. Looks like Apple has been listening!

Dec 20, 07 - 11:38 am Comment from: Jubei

I hate to admit it, but yeah I hate Stacks!

Dec 20, 07 - 11:40 am Comment from: Ampar

Well stacked is always important.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:40 am Comment from: NeverFade

@ LORU

Do you have external speakers? I bet you do - that's probably the speakers, unfortunately...

Dec 20, 07 - 11:41 am Comment from: shiftOpt k

Apple does seem to listen to it's user/customer base for most things.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:41 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

Good riddance. That fan is the ugliest piece of UI since OS 9. Now Jeff Raskin's decomposing corpse can finally stop boiling with rage. (and so can I)

-c

I must admit I dislike Stacks incredibly. What is the point of them? I use to have my Applications folder in the Dock so I could get to any App easily, but now it just shows a few with an option to 'Show the rest in a Finder Window'.

What's the point?

Dec 20, 07 - 11:45 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ shiftOpt k

Let's hope they start listening about the iMac screens, too. I'm starting to hear noise about that from non-Mac freak sources.

HierarchicalDock is a utility which successfully restores the original functionality under Leopard; It works quite well (with proper folder icons in the Dock, too!), but "native" support would still be optimal, of course.

I like probably many others have petitioned Apple to restore hierarchical access to docked folders. Let's just hope they heed the friendly advice of the torch-and-pitchfork-wielding masses pounding their gates...!

Dec 20, 07 - 11:50 am Comment from: MacBill

Dear God, I hope this rumor is true. Apple, fix the fu**ing dock!

The problem with stacks now is that if you have a lot of items in your dock and you click a stack it runs off the edge of the screen not allowing you to click the top few items - maybe it should curve the other way?

Dec 20, 07 - 11:50 am Comment from: Cubert

I think they need to return to the old (ie. Tiger) way of displaying Spotlight search results when you hit "show all". The new Leopard display window is completely useless. But, I do like the new additions to the drop down menu when you first start typing in your search terms.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:51 am Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ SlimJim

Exactly. The first thing I do on any Mac install is to drag my local disks and most-often-used network folders into the right side of the dock. I can get anywhere with a right-click, just like the picture above. Not with stacks.
"AAPL" mentioned Human Interface above, and I'm sure that was indeed the goal, but for a given number of folders in a stack, the fan was much taller than the old menu, so I have to move my mouse higher than I would have in Tiger. And that leaves out the fact that it's only one layer deep.
Nice try, but sadly = fail.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:53 am Comment from: flappo

spotlight results with added view options would help

Dec 20, 07 - 11:57 am Comment from: Toasty

Please please please let this be true!

Quick, someone call the FBI. The usual sycophantic MDN editors have been kidnapped and replaced with someone with some objectivity.

Dec 20, 07 - 12:08 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Quick, someone call the FBI."

Look out your window. Do you see the unmarked van?

Dec 20, 07 - 12:11 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Ampar

There aren't any windows in his mother's basement.

flappo: spotlight results with added view options would help

QuickLook works in the result window as it does anywhere else, does it not?

Dec 20, 07 - 12:15 pm Comment from: Ampar

That explains the bad vista.

Finally! One of the more useful Windows features on the Mac. Next up, Windows Explorer in place of the still-crappy Finder.

Just in case anyone forgot:

http://softbend.free.fr/himmelbar/

Himmel Bar works well in Leopard too.

I am sure stacks serve a purpose....Until that purpose is determined it is nice if we can turn them off. This is exactly how M$ gets itself in trouble. They shove some un-needed buggy feature down its customers' throat instead of incrementally improving the features they have. Apple is smarter than this!

Just my $0.02

there is a god.

Dec 20, 07 - 12:26 pm Comment from: ahcas

I for one love stacks, with both the fan and grid view - for the simple reason that when you need very quick access to a certain group of apps, you can do it with two clicks, one on the stack, on the required app.

Hierarchical folders are great when you want to navigate to something specific, but require more time to work your way through the folders... so, for my money:

- stacks is great for speed
(and are not designed for deep navigation)
- hierarchical folders are great for deep navigation
(and are not designed for speed)

We can have the benefits of both!

...am I going to see the Airport!

Dec 20, 07 - 12:30 pm Comment from: Micro Me

Good to see that Apple's listening (although it's generally not that difficult to hear a shout).

Now Apple, about that transparent menu bar, and the mini icons and text in the side bar........

ahcas: I for one love stacks, with both the fan and grid view - for the simple reason that when you need very quick access to a certain group of apps, you can do it with two clicks, one on the stack, on the required app.

Not that I'd say you shouldn't like stacks - but with hierarchical traversal you still only need two clicks: Right click to open the docked folder in list mode and the second click to open the selected file from the list.

Only if you really want to go into sub-folders of the docked folder you need one navigation motion per level on top.

If stacks have advantages besides looking neat, that isn't one of them.

the fan is curved so that people don't confuse it with the folders and icons on the desktop

Crumbs for us sheep.

Let's see just how far the patronizing goes when this is rolled out next month under cover of a long sleeve black tshirt and Levis.

Dec 20, 07 - 12:58 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

"Not that I'd say you shouldn't like stacks - but with hierarchical traversal you still only need two clicks: Right click to open the docked folder in list mode and the second click to open the selected file from the list."

Actually, you only need one click. Right-click and hold - navigate to folder or file - release. Voila!!! One click to access anything on my system!

Dec 20, 07 - 01:03 pm Comment from: Dialtone

Just bring back the Scrapbook and I'll be happy...

Dec 20, 07 - 01:07 pm Comment from: Jim - TIV

"Actually, you only need one click"

One click rule them all,
One click to find them.
One click to bring them all,
And in the darkness bind them.

actually I love the new dock, I don't know why people like the windows dock that's old, people need to realize that they are using MAC OS X not windows.

ChrissyOne: Actually, you only need one click. Right-click and hold - navigate to folder or file - release. Voila!!! One click to access anything on my system!

Oh, you're right - I've just done it with separate clicks. Cool!


Jim - TIV: One click rule them all,
One click to find them.
One click to bring them all,
And in the darkness bind them.

Maybe that's why - I'm just frightened by that much power...!

Dec 20, 07 - 01:26 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Just bring back the Scrapbook and I'll be happy..."


And Clarus the Dogcow. And Easter eggs. And the smiling Mac logo on startup.

And HyperCard.

Dec 20, 07 - 01:29 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Crumbs for us sheep."

Sheep eat grasses, legumes and forbs. Not crumbs.

Wonderful! . . . Now I'll be able to move comfortably into my upcoming Penryn powered MacPro.

Dec 20, 07 - 01:46 pm Comment from: Brau

Bloody great news! Hope it's true. Now I hope they add a way to set the folder icon so it doesn't change when the top item is moved/removed.

Dec 20, 07 - 01:51 pm Comment from: ChrissyOne

@ Jim-TIV

...in the land of Cupertino,
where questionable interfaces lie...

Please let this be true- I said and still say stacks (Piles) was the answer to the question nobody was asking.

Now, If we could turn off Spotlight (more often wrong and inconsistent), dashboard and get rid of these awful glossy screens.
Maybe the PeeCee people like glossy screens, but it's the worst thing about my MacBook.

... also Translucent Menu Bar can now be enabled/disabled via Desktop preferences.

Besides HierarchicalDock another application which provides hierarchical folders and a folder's Finder icon in the dock, is Quay from http://www.brockerhoff.net/quay/. It works as advertised but cost $10. I have been using it for two weeks and it is worth every cent.

Dec 20, 07 - 02:27 pm Comment from: flappo

ping :

"QuickLook works in the result window as it does anywhere else, does it not?"

i mean when i do a search for 'by size' and the results are only under the normal 3 headers , you can't view a list of results sorted by size..

what's the point of spotlight being fast if the results are useless ?