RUMOR: Apple’s secret product is ‘MacBook touch’

Get ready for Newton 2.0 MacBook touch?!

So says our source — the same one who tipped us to wireless iTunes Store sales direct to iPod, iPhone a week before Apple debuted it — in staccato fashion:

Think MacBook screen, possibly a bit smaller, in glass with iPhone-like, but fuller-featured Multi-Touch. Gesture library. Full Mac OS X. This is why they bought P.A. Semi. Possibly with Immersion’s haptic tech. Slot-loading SuperDrive. Accelerometer. GPS. Pretty expensive to produce initially, but sold at “low” price that will reduce margins. Apple wants to move these babies. And move they will. This is some sick shit. App Store-compatible, able to run Mac apps, too. By October at the latest.

MacDailyNews Note: This is a rumor. We have no other information. We cannot confirm this information independently at this time, but felt it plausible enough to bring to your attention.

We are working to develop new products that contain technologies that our competition will not be able to match. I cannot discuss these new products, but we are very confident in our product pipeline. – Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer, during Apple’s Q308 Financial Results Conference Call, July 21, 2008

139 Comments

  1. Who will be the one presenting it to us after we’re finally told that Steve Jobs is bed-ridden and the stock drops 90%?

    I can only imagine it’s that Scott Forstall guy. He may be a little dry but he’s young and vibrant. He’s got potential.

  2. It would have to be in a different form factor. The laptop form would give people “gorrila arm” I think it’s called, much like Microsoft’s demo of Windows 7. Some sort of giant iPhone that can be propped up on one end, that allows a mouse to be connected as well (since it will run Mac applications). There is no way someone could run Illustrator and such without a mouse.

  3. Nope. Not it.

    A MacBook Touch is not a “KEY product transition,” as Opperheimer stated. It would be a completely new product.

    Besides, Oppenheimer clearly said that it would affect profit margins in the CURRENT quarter ending September.

    Sorry, this isn’t it.

  4. A) I hope he’s spot on with the features and low price.
    B) I hope it’s lighter than a standard Macbook, and uses Air components (smaller boards, lighter batteries, SSD’s)
    C) I hope it has a user-replaceable battery with that touch screen chewing up battery life. It ain’t no iPod.

    If Apple wants to convert more people from PCs to Macs, the way to do it would be to make a new laptop that acts like and looks like a larger iPhone. Many enthusiastic iPhone users that are on the PC side will move to it.

    Moreover, this is where the real money is to be made for Apple IMHO.

  5. This is why Snow Leopard is oddly announced with apparently no new features. Apple has all their OS X software engineers working a major new feature that they cannot announce — full Mac OS X touch gesture capabilities throughout the system — something they can’t announce because it would let the cat out of the bag and because Apple doesn’t discuss future products.

  6. @John Gee

    No. A transition is technologies in one product changing into something else.. Example: HDD becoming SSD, or fluorescent LED displays becoming OLED displays.

    A MacBook touch would not replace a MacBook, it would be a new product.

  7. This rumour is basically true. I told y’all months ago that this product was in the works. (Not that it’s a big stretch to speculate such a thing given Apple’s obvious direction during the past couple years). But take my word for it. It’s actually happening. Check my track record; haven’t been wrong yet.

  8. Apple announces new $1999 MacBook Touch today…

    …even less features than the MacBook Air, the keyboard and monitor is sold seperately and costs extra. Copy and paste will be included as a built to order option only and delay your purchase for up to two weeks.

    yes I’m on a roll. Hogie roll with mayo. yummm

  9. “This is true. I know someone who knows someone who used to work there and this rumor has been going around for at least 2 years.”

    I worked there for three and a half years, and I can tell you that all new product plans are kept on a strict need-to-know basis. If prototypes for such a device exist, that doesn’t mean that it’s going to production. Apple develops many more products than they ship.

    -jcr

  10. “During his quarterly financial results call, Apple’s chief financial officer Peter Oppenheimer revealed that the company will make a key “product transition” that cuts back on its profit margins to help shut out rivals.

    How many “KEY” products does Apple have? Three. The Mac, iPod and iPhone.

    I’m with MikeK on this one, it doesn’t sound like a “KEY” transition, it sounds like a new product altogether. And no matter how cool something like this could be, there is no way Apple could sell enough of them in it’s first quarter to make that big of a dent in it’s profit margin.

    This is just wishful thinking on someones part.

  11. MikeK…

    I may be wrong about the MacBook touch being the new MacBook. I can see things changing that way.

    But I will say a product transition is different than a technology transition within a product set. And I believe that is what was said at the conference call: “product transition”

  12. “So says our source — the same one who tipped us to wireless iTunes Store sales direct to iPod, iPhone a week before Apple debuted it”

    just please let him be right, please let it be cheap enough, and please let it come out before i break down and buy a MBA!

  13. No way, No how.

    if the plan is to have a 30% unit margin at the end of the quarter, they are going to have something like a 25% margin for the second half of the quarter. Now since they are reducing the margin, we know they are planning to increase the volume. This means the mystery transition cannot be a new product. No product, however cool, is going to sell over a million units in the first month. There is literally no new product that Apple could introduce that would sell enough units within the first month to lower the per unit margins by 10%. So the change must involve some existing product.

  14. “This is some sick shit. “
    “This just gave away that whoever wrote this rumor is 15 yrs old.”

    I’m not so sure. It sounds like what Steve Ballmer might have said when he caressed and straddled his first big ass table.

  15. What if Peter had said: “We are scared Shirtless about our new product line.”

    Would that have caused a Matrix like flexing of the Earth as the consumer electronics world collectively emptied its bowels?

  16. Oh great. Now we get to hear the anti-glossy crowd scream about glossy screens with nasty, greasy fingerprints all over them. Thanks Apple.

    These things will look real nice in Best Buy. They’ll probably have boogers and fungi all over them. Gawd, these disease infested contraptions could be the cause of the next great pandemic!

    Way to go Steve, you’ll be responsible for killing 25% of the worlds population. Oh well, I guess we’ve got it coming.

  17. @ Petey

    “There is literally no new product that Apple could introduce that would sell enough units within the first month to lower the per unit margins by 10%. So the change must involve some existing product.”

    ————————-

    Agreed, this has to be a huge launch and a mass sales product.

    Frankly, there is only one of Apple’s key products that fits this bill and could actually sell enough initial units in it’s first month to effect the margin in such a drastic way.

    The iPod.

  18. I agree with Ampar:

    The one thing that makes this bogus is the inclusion of the slot loading superdrive. Apple would not include this in a new smaller mobile device. It would likely use the same external drive as the MacBook Air and use the remote disc technology. Because of that it throws this whole product into a very grey area.

    Bonano out.

  19. “The MacBook is to become more book-like.”

    Yes, it will be designed to be held vertically, just like a book.
    The keys will be located on both outer surfaces, and will be manipulated just like an accordion. Their will be no battery, as it will be powered by the pumping action.

    You either learn to touch type, or yer shit outta luck.

  20. If the MacBook Air does not have an optical drive, a “tablet” Mac is not going to have an optical drive. I’m not even sure it will be called a “Mac.”

    Such a device will certainly appear at some point. It will be amazing.

  21. I am not sure I buy this rumor. Apple already said Copy & Paste was a low priority for Multi-Touch. Apple can get away without them on iPhone, but not on a notebook. A MacBook Touch that relies on other means other than touch to select text, images, etc. seems pretty clumsy and Apple doesn’t like clumsy.

    If Apple has a full library of gestures ready for a notebook use, then the same library could be used for iPhone, in which case, Apple could simply say no comment when asked about Copy & Paste instead of disappointing people.

  22. What utter, utter, utter bullshit.

    OK, so Apple ditch the optical drive from the MacBook Air, but this has a super-drive?

    It is able to run iPhone apps AND OS X apps, even though they have largely different API libraries, and one of them is designed for WIMP, not multi-touch.

    They are going to use PowerPC for this, even though Snow Leopard appears to abandon this technology, yet this runs full OS X apps?

    It’s just utter, utter crap. A fantasists wet dream that not only won’t happen, but is impossible from a UI perspective.

  23. A Macbook with the iPhone/Touch OS and technology, but most important, its 200 protecting patents.

    Consider also that while Leopard is the latest OS X, Snow Leopard is in the wings.

    However, one should think that MobileMe and its ‘cloud’ technology may also be an integral part of the new transition.

    That would allow Apple to bring in the last of the three types of leopards, i.e., the CLOUDED LEOPARD. Yes there is such an animal: http://www.cap.nsw.edu.au/bb_site_intro/stage1_Modules/whats_alive/leopards.htm

  24. Mac Mini Tower.
    YES!!
    Not an iMac, not a mini, something to bridge that huge gulf in the product line that Apple has let go for so long.

    Apple: Are you listening?!?!?!?!?

    My company would be early adopters. The last thing IT guys need is to carry putty knives around with them to support hundreds of Mac minis. And expecting iMacs to be put in serious business situations is plain not going to happen.

  25. It’s either going to be air-like multi-touch ultra-portable-like or it is going to be a SSD-CUBE…yes, CUBE again, that has tremendous performance multi-expansion capabilities…in other words, the new Mac Pro in mini format. Room for three SSD’s, tons of RAM, small footprint. 4 sided expandability. The new CUBE! Do you really think Jobs gave up on such a cool product? The Mac Pro for consumers…by the way, the Mac Pro is HUGE and expensive and only necessary for the high-end dogs. Sound far-fetched? Am I dreaming? Maybe…maybe not.

  26. First off Steve Job is not taking his “Boost” as he should thus he looks a little wasted… solution he needs to take his “Boost” yes it taste like shit but it good for you!

    More importantly, if this new device looks and acts like a tablet and god, i.e. Steve Jobs, only knows how a Apple tablet is going to look and act… I want one and am willing to spend my social security check to get one!

    You can bit you last buck that a iTablet will sell and sell well…

  27. Just wait till the first time you have to use the gesture for Force Quit (Hand with middle finger extended).

    And it will look just like a book you flip through the pages to get to different applications

  28. Comment from: Petey
    No way, No how.

    “No product, however cool, is going to sell over a million units in the first month.”

    iPhone 3g sold 1 million units its first day. Technically, even though it shares a common name, it is a “new” product. its very possible to sell 1 million products in a month. It all depends on the price. And awesome-ness.

  29. There is no need to swear, this is a family forum! There’s kids on these boards! You know how many little six year olds hang out here to find out about Apple’s latest SDK update, Oppenheimer’s latest comments about Apple’s financial outlook, and whatever Steve Ballmer said today.

  30. Macintosh writes: “There is no way someone could run Illustrator and such without a mouse.”

    Most of the graphics guys at the company where I work use wacom tablets and absolutely despise the mouse.

    If you could use the Macbook Touch with a wacom-like stylus, you could certainly use Illustrator and other things like that.

    Not that you would want to do serious graphics work on a 13″ screen anyway, though…

  31. I went to a focus group about 2 months ago and we got to play with these “concepts” that looks a LOT like a 5×7 book. You could open it up and it was a tochscreen display on both sides. Pretty freaking cool. Since it was a “prototype” didn’t get a chance to play too much with it HOWEVER… I noticed some of the icons on the static pictures looked a lot like Mac icons. Some of the “playlists” were also the smart playlist and regular playlists.. and other mac-like icons. I suspect that might be the one. Was also gonna have wifi connectivity, and a few other goodies. Sorta like a cross between the iPhone and a MacBook.

  32. “iPhone 3g sold 1 million units its first day. Technically, even though it shares a common name, it is a “new” product.

    ———————-

    Yes, iPhone 3g sold 1 million units in it’s first 3 days. BUT and this is a big BUT, that is after 18 months of hype and product awareness for the iPhone..

    iPhone was introduced 6 months before it began shipping. And a year after it’s inital release the second generation iPhone 3g sold a million units in three days.. But Oppenheimer is talking about sales in this CURRENT quarter for a product that hasn’t even been introduced yet..

    No way, they could sell a million of a brand new product. It HAS to be an existing product.

  33. …that while Oppenheimer talked about a “key product transition”, Steve Jobs in the press release that accompanied the financial results talked of “many new products in the coming months.”

    It’s entirely possible there will be a “key transition” to OS X across the entire iPod line AS WELL AS some new products introduced like a touch-screen Macbook. Apple can walk and chew gum at the same time, guys.

  34. I don’t see how iPods make a “key” transition. They could all go multi-touch, but the costs would likely be too high for shuffles and nanos.

    iPhone was just updated, so no “key” transition there.

    That leaves Macs. Since Macs are now on Intel processors, that can’t be the transition (I seriously doubt PA Semi has developed new chips to run desktop/laptop Macs, and I doubt Apple wants to go there anyway after the PPC experience).

    We already know that Snow Leopard will be an optimization of Leopard. So nothing “key” about OS X.

    I think we’re looking at the first shift away from traditional keyboards to virtual touch keyboards across the Mac lineup. This may or may not include a tablet Mac. However, having a “touch panel” which can display different functions depending upon which app you’re using, and then have multi-touch input, could be a game-changer for Apple. This could involve screens, but it’s not too practical to have your screen 6 inches from your face at work.

    Now let’s see Apple’s competitors combat the touch panel when Apple has multi-touch patented up the wazoo. Apple is instantly five years ahead of anyone else.

  35. Gut feeling – the literal, Apple TV. The box is just a hobby. The real deal is a LCD TV, 40 inchish with the Atv hardware built in.

    iPod Touch and iPhone as remote control. iTunes in your TV. More electronics for the expanding Apple Store chain.

    LED displays in the Macbooks a distant second.

  36. @dd

    Dude, you need to upgrade to Cocoa.

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  37. This could be one hot product.

    Something that you might have a couple of, used to access media, documents, email, from the other computers you have or the web.

    I’d love to have a tablet that I could read ebooks, listen to music, watch a video or just surf the web with. I don’t need it to type and if I do then I have a Mac wireless keyboard for that.

    Think DynaBook folks.

  38. “I don’t see how iPods make a “key” transition. “

    ————————–

    What don’t you see?

    The entire iPod with the exception of the shuffle going “touch” is certainly a “key” transition.

    iPod classic give way to the iPod touch with larger SSD.

    iPod nano transitions into “iPod nano touch.”

    This way the entire iPod lineup will run OSX and have access to the “app store,” and will further cement Apple domination in the mobile platform of the future.

    iPod nano is Apple’s best selling mobile device. It makes perfect sense to “transition” this product to it’s new mobile platform that they started with the iPhone.

    The competition simply couldn’t compete with a move like this as Apple has applied for over 200 patents for it’s touch technology.

  39. They said the product transition will drive down margins. That would seem to me to indicate that they are going to replace an existing high margin product with a low margin product – such as doing away with the iPod Classic and keeping only the iPod Touch, dropping the MacBook and keeping only the MacBook Air with a lower price, or going solely to solid state drives for all laptops. However, since they mentioned the purpose was to shore up market share, I’d say it’s more to do with the iPod line.

  40. Apple had to mention the “device” since it’s the reason for the lower guidance. Op gave out just enough, and no more.

    Predictably, the hacks interpret this to mean that Apple is being coy and secretive and doing the hype thing. To what would they have Apple attribute lower guidance?

  41. “How can iphone apps fit visually on a MacBook Touch? You would think the UI and layout would need to be redone.”

    @MegaMe
    Think Dashboard widgets, only they run as normal applications. The SDK would allow app developers to also run in larger/resize-able windows if they so choose, existing iPhone apps will be a fixed size, but newer ones would be able to resize.

  42. I expect the iPod Touch UI to be used as part of many “convergent” consumer electronics devices that can benefit from Internet connectivity and a good UI.

    We currently have Touch+phone. I expect Touch+RealCamera and Touch+RealVideoRecorder (actually probably a combo device), etc.

  43. As if Apple would want to bother about a SuperDrive on a device like this when they didn’t even go for it on a MacBook Air. Apple doesn’t want to bother about discs anymore, especially not on a ultra-portable device like this. Don’t you think?

  44. Lets take all the things that have been floating around and put them together. Apple was working on multitouch displays with plastic rather than glass. Apple aquires a processor company. They say Product Transition.

    All this means that Apple is going to revamp the whole iPod line with multi-touch versions at the same price points. Except they will use a plastic surface rather than the glass type one that iPhones have.

    As for a multitouch laptop. I dunno. I don’t see Apple doing that just yet.

  45. @bizlaw and @Hopshortage:

    I think the multitouch keyboard they originally bought Fingerworks for HAS to be about ready by now, so I agree with bizlaw on that one. In fact, I said as much just yesterday elsewhere on MDN.

    I’ve seen rumors a while back about Apple getting into the TV business, but then they came out with Apple TV instead. Apple’s version of a TV would NEVER be just a TV; it boggles the mind just to imagine what they would include (HDMI, etc.). But I guarantee you this: Steve Jobs is ITCHING to move Apple TV from a hobby to a business before some other company finally figures out the living room game.

    In thinking about the rollout of an Apple-branded TV, I agree with Hopshortage; for simplicity’s sake, they would decide on one size and roll with that…probably about 42 inches with some home server capabilities built in, and your iPhone as the remote (among other things).

    Cool, very cool. Remember back in ’01 when the Apple Retail Stores were brand new, how they USED to carry other people’s MP3 players, but when the iPod came out in October ’01, that stopped IMMEDIATELY? Right now, when you walk in an Apple Store they’ve got a Sony TV set up to demo the Apple TV. What would take the tech world by storm is something totally unexpected like that from Apple…only Apple tech in the Apple Stores.

    Hey, you never know.

    Peace.
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  46. If Apple does release something like this, I’ll be a very happy camper especially if I can connect it to the blue tooth keyboard. It was suit my school needs perfectly. (crosses fingers and toes)

    -M

  47. While this product may be in the pipeline, I agree with those discounting this as a “key product transition”.

    I agree with those that expect that the product line that will be changing is the iPod. It was pretty clear after the iPhone came out that the iPod line would evolve towards that device. There will be room for the shuffle, possibly for the Nano, but certainly at some point the classic will be replaced by whatever the Touch evolves into.

  48. Recall Alan Kay’s (whose work at Xerox PARC had such an enormous influence on Jobs and the first Mac designers) original vision of the Dynabook, “a book-sized computer that could be used in place of paper.” A Mac tablet-like device could be seen as bringing Kay’s concept to fruition.

    In one sense, a device like this could function as a combination Pod Touch, MacBook, and Amazon Kindle. With music, movies, and TV shows already in the stable, Apple could add the remaining major media (print) to its ITMS store. One could download a book or magazine and take it with you.

    Another possibility could involve the report from a few months back about Apple’s patent application for an iMac-looking docking station. Imagine popping a Mac-tablet into such a dock and instantly having a full-fledged desktop machine (a la the much lamented Duo). If the price was right, I would think such a combo could have wide appeal.

  49. Lemme say my piece…
    It WILL BE a new product. And yes it does explain the margin hit when you ALSO take into account that Apple is going to be at the same time slashing prices on various products. This is all out bloody aggression by Apple. No longer on the defensive and no longer satisfied with their passive gains they are going to launch an all out attack.
    New products plus slashing prices on existing prices in order to gain huge market share. That is what is going to effect their margins. Its going to be an horrific WMD bloodbath! I’ll see ya when the smoke clears.

  50. Not a notebook silly…its a Mac Tablet. A small clip board that you jam your finger against all day until you get arthritis in your finger joint….not gorrilla arm but gorilla finger.

    Its cool anyway.

  51. My dream:
    MacBook-sized touch screen computer, LED backlight, mid-size SSD, limited ports (audio, single USB?), Bluetooth, WiFi, iSightCamera?, GPS?, dock interface points for both portrait and landscape orientations

    Dock – charges and provides desktop functionality. Contains optical drive, major hard drive (1Tb), maybe a mirrored dual hard drive, good mix of ports, WiFi base station, keyboard & mouse.

    Think I’ll hold on to my iPhone money for a couple of months.

  52. This is BS. What would PA SEMI have to do with this? A large form tablet-type or otherwise new macbook would no doubt use x86 processors from Intel, not some new ARM variant crafted with PA SEMI. I COULD however see a small iPod-touch type tablet using an ARM core, particularly the newer Cortex variety — possibly crafted by PA SEMI.

  53. That doesn’t make any sense for 2 reasons:
    1) They didn’t include the SuperDrive in MacBook Air to keep it thin, but they’re going to put it in a tablet? No way.

    2) PA Semi makes PPC chips usable in portable devices like iPhone, but for desktop-like devices with full Mac OS X, Apple uses Intel. And… in Snow Leopard, there will be no support for PowerPC. So… no PPC here.

  54. Why in the world would anyone want a touch screen computer? The most annoying thing in the world for me is having anything on my screen. This being a touch screen would have smudges all over it and would impede viewing anything. An actual glass screen like the iPhone would be way too heavy thwy would have to make it out of something else.

  55. hairbo – “bullshit” is one word.

    In perfect Jobs style he would’ve said “if I show you what we’re developing you’d shit in your pants”.

    I know this must be true. As history has repeated shown that whenever you finally buy that fine, perfect Apple product, chances are in a better, cheaper gadget is coming out real soon. I just bought a brand new MBP. Couldn’t hold off any longer. No doubt the new design and price slash (as stock rumor projected) will be true as well.

    Just have one thing to say: Bye, bye, little mouse. It was nice holding ya… sniff*

  56. I called it on my show today as well. look at the patents they have brought out over a year ago. The success of the touch, the OS is already there. Question is will TEch Crunch make there’s first and beat the market?

    Mobuzz.TV

    Have a look at the show to decide.

  57. To the people who keep asking “who’s the market for this thing?” That would be me. I would consider a modbook even at what they are charging for them if they weighed 2.5-3LBs less than they do. A tablet style thing from Apple would suit me just fine especially if I could connect the apple BT keyboard to it and stand it up at school. Then, I could finally have my super light weight Mac that is just powerful enough for taking notes, checking email/web, and maybe a bit of very light audio work. Right now, my favorite portable is the 12 inch powerbook G4 that I am typing this on. The MBA is not a good replacement for me because it takes up a much bigger footprint.

  58. locotus_ix
    what kind of ideas do you have ?
    a notebook that runs on nuclear energy?
    oh i dropped my tablet there goes the town
    come on be realistic ….
    clearly apples next move will be a solar powered apparatus….
    i can almost guaranty it ……. almost
    but remember when apple unveils there solar powered ipod or mac
    you cant say THE BOB DIDNT WARN YOU …..

  59. This rumor is complete nonsense. A superdrive? You’ve got to be kidding me.

    The transition will be out of the classic iPod design into the iPod touch, which they will offer at lower profit margins in order to make it the standard by which other companies producing MP3 players will struggle against.

    By getting the iPod Touch into more hands they will further entice iPhone developers and increase the amount of sales in the App Store. And all of those people will then be enticed to pick up iPhones in the future, which will run their Apps and play their music and videos.

    Many Apple fanboys need to stop fantasizing about what they want and think about Apple’s long-term strategy to shape the marketplace in their favor.

  60. tablets = a gimmicky toy that will rarely be used

    Although I was ‘Design Match’ on Fine Living and the designer was sketching ideas for a way to replicate the designer’s room in the contestants house (at 1/10th the budget, the idea behind the show). I thought in *that* sense, a tablet would be cool.

  61. THERE IS A TROJAN HORSE HERE, AND IS AN AMAZING ONE:

    “Support the authoring of full iPhone and iPad applications…making the iPad the cheapest software development platform yet.”

    Inside the iPad: Why a $100 Apple Laptop Is Probably Inevitable
    http://connectme.typepad.com/news/2008/07/inside-the-ipad.html

    So, it would be the ultimate iPhone, iPod touch and Mac development platform. Expect Apple market share to double next year!

    And remember, no more than 5 to 7 inches. Even the MacBook Air is too large and heavy for us. We want the full Mac OS X on our hand and on our pocket!

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