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Outstanding! I know none us really want Windows on our perfect Macs!

I just wish Apple would finally release a spreadsheet program with iWork.

They had to have signed a deal with the devil (Mafiasoft) to get them to continue making Office for the Mac. That is the only explanation I can think of as to why they haven't released the long-awaited "Numbers".

i think apple have been working on something similar, and will release (free) updates in order to use certain unavailable on mac apps, that would make sense and not make a dent in mac app sales. think about it

There is far more mac users then linux? lol ye right

im definately up for some counter strike on my new macbook..

Actually there are far more Mac users than LINUX. OS X is the most successful distribution of a UNIX -Like system in history.

I take issue with the "tight-fisted" comment. We're less tight fisted all right, if the product is good.

I used Crossover Office for several years on Linux when it first came out - it worked great, even back then. I haven't tried a modern version, but their supported application list has grown substantially from 2002.

The article is misleading in stating that printers "don't work", this is false. Clearly Windows hardware drivers won't work, but the Linux or OS X printing systems can print from the Windows app just fine.

I love moves, plots, and plans that make Windows seem irrelevant.


The question is what sort of effect, assuming this becomes a reality, does this have on the Windows developer world?

I'm a little verklempt!

Talk Amongst Yourselves. I'll give you a topic.

Microsoft is neither micro nor soft.

In spite of negative reaction from MDN and many posters here, my prediction of doom from viruses and other malicious invaders that plague the Windows world is proving correct.

This is another step down the road to ruin for anyone who makes their Mac Windows capable.

Also, MDN, why are you guys so late in reporting the many problems with the heaters known as Intel MacBooks?

Only when the Macintosh world, including its foremost booster MDN, demand true superior Apple quality will we get it.

Yes, ehh, that is correct. In the consumer market there are waaaaaay more Mac users than Linux users. Absolutely. Do the research.

The only time I would use Windows on a Mac is to run Autocad. Hello Autodesk.......

Explore every opportunity to bring the Devil of Redmond down to it's knees!!

Mac users do have the money and pay for their software,

But we expect the best and we expect a seemless operation.

We are pampered pets.

Channel Z

Microsoft is neither micro nor soft

No, it's just too big, too long, too fat and wayyyy too ugly

covered with warts too, ugly ones. oozing puss.

Paranoid? Here's reality:

Soon, because of the novelty of running Windows on a Mac, Apple will start releasing 'security fixes' galore, clogging up my machine when I don't need 'em, don't want 'em, and hate being dragged into a Windows driven environment that I never asked for!

Dammit.

Pete, what in the bloody hell are you talking about?

The application of WINE or a WINE-like system of emulating APIs instead of using Windows at all is not going to bring "doom from viruses and other malicious invaders". Emulating APIs means that Windows (and its vulnerabilities) will simply not be present. In other words, if done properly, nothing "installs itself" without your permission, buffer overflow execution instructions will be meaningless, and you'll be perfectly safe and happy.

You just don't get it, do you? This is exciting news, and I'm hoping that many other people jump on this bandwagon. I would love a true compatibility layer that involved running Windows apps flawlessly directly from OS X without a copy of Windows anywhere to be found.

And MDN has had so much coverage that I'm sick of reading about the stupid MacBooks overheating - where have you been? Plastic strips, remove plastic strips, firmware updates... any of this ring a bell Pete?

blucaso...

Mark your calendar for a year end review of how we are doing with virus control. We'll see.

And, where have YOU been? Removing plastic strips and firmware update is window dressing for serious overheating, swelling and exploding batteries, discoloration of white MacBooks, etc.

And, these are not isolated complaints - huge numbers of complaints abound.

As long as we buy not-ready-for-market products, Apple will keep releasing them.

Everyone was saying that this would be the holy grail and now it is coming. One less excuse, one less barrier.

I, the mac purist, might even consider running a windows app if I didn't have to look at that butt-ugly interface. Well, only if it was a way cool app not available for the mac. Can't think of any right now. Never mind.

The more options to run Windows the better.

I don't want to have Windows either but despite the growth in mac apps there is still a significant gap in software available for the Mac specially in biz apps. This is all good.

One application that these guys should try to make work in OSX is MS Access. There are so many biz apps written for that awful database.

Pete Peterson,

1. Scroll to bottom of this screen.
2. Type "MacBook" into search box.
3. Click "Search MacDailyNews" button.
4. Read all of MacDailyNews' coverage of yellow MacBooks, hot MacBooks, etc,
5. Stop adding your feedback until you have something useful to type.

Compared to Linux, the usefulness of CrossOver office on the Mac platform is more limited in my business setting. Both OS X and Linux can run a virtualization app and have a sandboxed copy of Windows available, so I didn't include this option:

Lotus Notes: OS X native vs Linux w/CO
Microsoft Office: OS X native vs Linux w/CO
MS Project: OS X w/CXO vs Linux w/ CO
MiniTab: CO unsupported app, works in virtualization.
SAP Client: OS X native, Linux native w/ SAPGUI

The biggest obstacle, however, is corporate IT which can't comprehend anything other than Windows and in the name of "security" won't consider alternative platforms.

Unfortunately, the Windows apps appearance isn't improved by the windowing subsystem of the host OS when using CrossOver (be it Gnome, KDE or eventually Aqua) - you just get a stark contrast. Hopefully CO will work without requiring the use of Xwindows.

I bought my daugher a Macbook for graduation, and it steadfastly refuses to overheat or change color. Looking at some of the photos of the discolored Macbooks, I couldn't help but think that the users may have got sunless tanning lotion on the machines, that sure is what it looked like.

Sure, now.

MDN has been last of the primary Mac forums to deal with the MacBook problems.

Even today, MDN's friends over at TUAW, are reporting still another fault in the new products.

I think it is very useful to all purchasers of Apple products to demand the quality we have been promised.

So, unless MDN wants to delete my post, you can read it or not, but I get to have my say.

Pete, you are an IDIOT. Ever hear of the ungenius (http://www.ungenius.com) site? Let me do your research for you by posting what he said on all your comments.

"So I decided to make some calls around to people I know inside and outside Apple who are responsible for providing warranty support for the darned things. What I've found is, largely, that the blogosphere has blown these issues insanely out of proportion."

"Obviously, the issues being reported are real, and they are affecting people. However, I'm not sure that the conventional wisdom labeling these as a widespread pandemic worthy of herculean recall, as many as casting it, is even close to legitimate."

Thanks. You may now shut up, troll.

Busting... name calling aside, (why is everybody with constructive criticism a 'troll' around here?) what the hell did you think you would hear from those in denial, such as 'inside Apple'.

My local Apple retail store reports about 20% of new MacBooks being returned by very unhappy customers. 20%!

My sales guy (I'm a very good customer) whispered: "wait... the next generation won't have these problems".

If the Mac family wasn't in such a hurry to buy everything new, everything new would be better. Much better.

Umm....will this work on a PPC mac? (crosses fingers)

>> Umm....will this work on a PPC mac? (crosses fingers)

No, you need Virtual PC for that. I use it on my Powerbook when necessary, it's slow but it works. Wine and the Windows binaries are compiled for Intel, so the machine CPU (real or virtual) needs to provide the Intel instruction set.

If you had a PPC Mac and a copy of Virtual PC w/o Windows, you could install an Intel Linux distro and run CrossOver in the VM, but that would be taking Windows avoidance to the point of masochism.

Pete, you really are a huge idiot. Well no, actually, I think you're just a troll.
I work for a Mac reseller, and we haven't had a single Macbook returned. The heat "issues" on both the Macbook and the Pro are a joke. My PB G4 gt hotter. Of course, it's just people like you who like to make a lot of noise to pretend it's somehow really BAAAD.
After looking at the pics on the discoloration website, I have to wonder about the eyesight of many of the "victims", as they certainly can't take any decently lit sharp photos. Mostly just very grainy pictures of handrests that looked to have greasy mit-staines on them.

But hey, keep on trolling. Otherwise we'd not have much to talk about.

Interesting that when you visit Phil Swann's website, a small (16KB) file called "xply.wmf" is automatically downloaded. This file is infected with the "Exploit.WMF.A" virus.

Be careful.

Many people do have secretions that will stain some plastics. Not everybody does, and I don't know how many percentagewise do, but many do. Go to the Macintosh ibook forums and read all the posts from people that complain that their ibook gets dark and grungy where their hands touch them. There are countless threads there recommending various cleaners (mainly Mr. Clean Magic Eraser) for cleaning them. It seems that the majority of people do not have these body secretions but some do.

At my work place I can always tell who last used certain peices of equipment simply by how slimey/grungy it feels when I use it. Most of the employees don't do this to the equipment but some of them do it without fail. Maybe it is caused by the foods they eat or maybe it is just something about their genetic makeup but it appears to be a fact of life.

I once commented that perhaps washing your hands more frequently would cure the problem if things you touch get grimey. A returned comment was "you can't help but get things you touch dirty after reading newspapers and getting the ink on your hands." Well, I don't get the ink on my hands when I read a paper. Again, I think this is due to secretions that cause some folks to dissolve the inks, thus getting it on their hands, while it is not an issue for most folks.

From TFA If Apple themselves ever did anything like this in a future Mac OS X, the OS war to end all OS wars would erupt, but it'd be difficult to imagine how Apple do anything but win in spectacular fashion

Regardless of the outcome of such a "war" MDN would claim OS X winner