Rush Limbaugh is giving away ten (10) new Apple 8GB iPhones with 24-months of AT&T Service. Limbaugh is giving them away, one a day (except Independence Day) until they’re all gone. One of them is yours, if your name is selected.
Note: You only have to sign up once to be eligible for all ten (10) iPhones.
Winners will receive:
1. One Apple iPhone with 8GB drive.
2. The value of a 24 month service plan for 450 minutes ($59.99×24)
3. A one year subscription to Rush 24/7 (or extension for one year, if already a member)
4. A $100 Boca Java Gift Card
Just register for the free Rush in a Hurry show notes email newsletter at the link below. (If you’re already signed up and are receiving the email, you’re already entered.)
More info: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/newsletter.guest.html
Another reason that Rush is right!
where’s the “Think Before You Click” warning?
does the proximity sensor suck your soul out of your body when you put it near your face?
Right on Rush! We love you. Keep exposing the liberal terrorist lovers for who they are. Good luck Britain. What a loser you elected. Here’s a great read on a former terrorists insights. Read the reader comments too:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
Think before you click???? What a joke ibookslow.
I just registered. I love Rush. One more reason to love him now.
FLUSH RUSH!
Good for him. It sure is funny how he does a hell of a lot more to promote Apple than Al Gore ever has even though he’s on the board….
I believe you meant to say “Rush is Reich”. Old druggie Limprod sure loves all the products these liberals produce. Liberals have a brain and think, whereas right wingers like Bill Gates can only do what a monkey can do and that is copy.
Here comes the defeatest lefts disgusting posts. Great article Jason. Western policy, Iraq, etc. have nothing to do with why these MUSLIM lunatics keep doing what they’re doing. The guy admits they are war with the entire world and anything, I repeat, anything goes. Wait till they get a few nukes. What are libs going to say when they set those off in your liberal cities?????
Whoa, Ellen DeGeneres Just gave out Apple TV’s to everyone in her audience. Not Kidding!!!!!!
I doubt that everyone that helps dream up these wonderful products at Apple is a lib. Great point SJR not a peep from the world is melting Gored. Mars is warming up too. Is that because of us too?????? I think not. We’ve been warming since the end of the last ice age morons.
My that Rush is a wonderful soul. Keep up the good work Rush! I hope I win!
i wonder how many anti-rush people will sell-out and sign up for an entry into this contest.
Are you giving away pills, too?
Winners will also receive a bottle of 20 mg Oxycontin pills.
Good luck to everyone.
“Here comes the defeatest lefts disgusting posts. Great article Jason. Western policy, Iraq, etc. have nothing to do with why these MUSLIM lunatics keep doing what they’re doing. The guy admits they are war with the entire world and anything, I repeat, anything goes. Wait till they get a few nukes. What are libs going to say when they set those off in your liberal cities?????”
talk about F.U.D. You guys are the kings.
I posted this on MDN yesterday. And of course I signed up too.
@ Hank the Tank
Wow. How’s the 8th grade treating you?
Wat to go Rush and Ellen, two of my favorites.
An ill wind comes arising
Across the cities of the plain
There’s no swimming in the heavy water
No singing in the acid rain
Red alert
Red alert
It’s so hard to stay together
Passing through revolving doors
We need someone to talk to
And someone to sweep the floors
Incomplete
Incomplete
The world weighs on my shoulders
But what am I to do?
You sometimes drive me crazy
But I worry about you
I know it makes no difference
To what you’re going through
But I see the tip of the iceberg
And I worry about you…
Cruising under your radar
Watching from satellites
Take a page from the red book
Keep them in your sights
Red alert
Red alert
Left and rights of passage
Black and whites of youth
Who can face the knowledge
That the truth is not the truth?
Obsolete
Absolute
The world weighs on my shoulders
But what am I to do?
You sometimes drive me crazy
But I worry about you
I know it makes no difference
To what you’re going through
But I see the tip of the iceberg
And I worry about you
The world weighs on my shoulders
But what am I to do?
You sometimes drive me crazy
But I worry about you
I know it makes no difference
To what you’re going through
But I see the tip of the iceberg
And I worry about you
Absalom
Absalom
Absalom
You would think the libs would give Rush a break for getting addicted to pain killers. Easy to have happen. The libs are supposed to be protecting those kinds of problems but not when it doesn’t happen to a welfare abuser. Punish success is the liberal mantra.
What is a wat? Way to go, me!
We get half of your iPhones.
@ Larry
Would you defend some dirty liberal in the same way?
Rush woudln’t.
How about a coke-snorting president?!
@M.T. Wence,
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he is in the second grade of Jesus Camp
“You would think the libs would give Rush a break for getting addicted to pain killers.”
We would. It’s the doctor shopping and fraud that we don’t care for.
How about a fat intern bj, pot smoking, terrorist apologist, coward of a president, (Clinton for you retard libs).
Doctor shopping is symptom of being addicted to pain killers dip shit.
@ how
No kidding. Hey, did you watch the bonus material? Rat-tail Levi’s dad is as gay as Ned Flanders at Studio 54.
“Doctor shopping is symptom of being addicted to pain killers dip shit.”
And typing sentences like that speaks for itself.
@Larry,
Are you high?
So now we hate fat people, too, jackass? Compassionate Conservatism, indeed.
MDNMW – heavy
Liberals has no comeback except to try to belittle the people ripping apart his flawed logic. Talk about speaking for itself!
@M.T. Wence
i couldn’t even finish the “movie” i felt sick.
I think your drool cup fell off.
Rush is the best!
Liberals have no case for anything. Angry losers.
…at what?
Please do not feed the Neo-Cons. They will eat everything you give them and then they will eat your soul.
@ how
Oh you gotta see it all. Especially the Ted Haggard sermons. It’s great to see him *just before* he was busted for paying a man for sex for a number of years, and buying meth from him. CLASSIC.
Keep up the illusion, you Xian freaks. How holy you all must be!
@kate,
“Rush is the best!”
I agree with you. In discrimination and racism. this is what you meant. right?
And for the super-low IQ knuckle-dragger robocons, that was not a compliment.
Just so ya know…
@M.T. Wence
The problem is that i don’t want to rent it again, because i don’t want to support them.
hmmmm. what should I do?
thanks for the recommendation.
Rush has to do something to distract his listeners from the increasingly illegal activities of the Bush Administration – who he is a cheerleader for.
The chumming worked! Come on sharks, let’s get this into the 5 Day Most Commented.
@M.T. Wence,
The capital of Shaanxi in China is the unholy city?
Was a pretty good album, though.
Rush Limbaugh is the intellectual equivalent of a pop-corn fart. He is as resoundingly thick-headed and hypocritical as anyone on the Hill, so I guess it fitting that works as a supposed ‘expert’.
What really gets me though are the partisan posts above.
To the Reps…. Our Republican President is a criminal, a liar and a terrorist. Yes, yes, you heard me. He invaded foreign soil on shaky, unproven intelligence, lied to cover it up, and now we find ourselves as the occupying force in a country who’s citizen’s we have mass-murdered and tortured, and who’s cities we have demolished. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens have been slaughtered due to the actions and orders of our Commander-in-Chief. He is responsible for more destruction and death than anyone in the history of the world, except for (perhaps) Adolf Hitler. He is the very definition of a terrorist, and the lot of you should be ashamed at yourselves for turning a blind eye to his tyranny.
To the Dems…. You guys aren’t much better. You sit around all full of yourselves while doing NOTHING about the issues at hand. We now have a Democratic majority in both Congress Senate, as well as a Democratic Speaker of the House. But what have they done since they were elected? NOTHING…0..bupkis. Through their passivity they have aligned themselves as guilty by association.
Look, you people can look down your noses at each other, point the finger and place blame anyway you like it, but the bottom line is, we are the single most eveil force in the world today. As much as I despise Hugo Chavez (mostly because he is just like The Shrub), he is correct in calling the US an ‘Empire’. The parallels between us and the Romans at the height of their Empire are stunning and real. So while you childish little fools run around with your delusions of grandeur and a self-important smug little smile everything that this country was founded on is being systematically dismantled.
One day, your children will look back and not understand why we did nothing as they stand on the ruins of what was once the greatest nation on the planet, as they struggle to survive in the new 3rd world.
Enjoy
Consider this, if what Rush says didn’t strike a chord with people, nobody would listen to his show. So, if this many people (Rush listeners), and there’s a lot of them, agree with what he’s saying, do they have a valid point of view? If they perceive him to be “right”, isn’t he, therefore, “right”? What’s right for you may not be right for me so does that make one of us wrong? Is it possible to disagree with a position without existing in a right/wrong paradigm? I’m always astonished at the vitriol Rush’s name evokes by people who, usually, have never even listened to his show. But because he represents to them the opposite of their nature, he is, defacto, wrong. I feel sorry for those people and I hope I win one of those iPhones.
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Neo-Conservatives, you close our world. You look from the top then you seal it shut. Your line of thinking can be great in its purest forms, but the perverted nature of the conservatism that Republicans preach and enact and the small minded crap being spewed in these response messages just goes to show how ridiculously inane their picture of the world is. The world is wonderful, the world is full of both reason and is full of the unknown aka a spiritual side that we all should reach for in a way we see fit. Stop declaring this left/right bullshit, show what you are and why you yourself matter. Stop this cynical exchange that leads nowhere and stop defending it as almighty reality because it doesn’t have to be.
I posted it to a Nazi controlled forum.
Wow you liberals are really dimented people. Communism is your hero. That has gone over well. Millions and millions murdered in its name. And you stick up for it and their leaders. You are SICK!!!! Rush upsets you because he exposes all of your illogical arguments and hypocracy. You need help.
Hey Willie G, I think it’s time to pack a bowl and pull another chamber. Seriously, have some chamomile tea and turn on your favorite world music station. It’s time to chill.
I’d rather spend the money, but this generation of conservatives would sign-up for anything in the hope of getting something for nothing.
Still, when you’ve had Rush Limbaugh insulting your intelligence for so many years it must make it easier when Tony Snow does it for real.
I still can’t get the image of Rush mocking Michael J. Fox out of my mind. The way flopped his fat ass around to pantomime Fox’s Parkinson symptoms was disgusting. But to those on the right, that sort of character attack is A-OK!
Paragraph 6, sentence 2 of the OFFICIAL RULES:
“By participating in the Sweepstakes, where allowed by law, participants agree that the Sponsor may disclose personal information obtained from participants in the Sweepstakes to third parties and use such information for marketing and other purposes.”
So how much will Rush clear after selling off every single entrant’s name, email address, gender, postal code, and birth date a hundred times over? A good bit beyond the cost of 10 iPhones and their service plans I guess.
@ montex
Did I see you at the Apple store on FriDay?
Too bad Rush is not as in love with freedom as he blathers about, his abuse of Ron Paul is disgusting, like we want that cross dresser Ghouliani… I prefer my news “unfiltered” by ANY of the controlled media…
A typical paid media whore, but I signed up anyway, I will cancel after the good prizes are over…
Why not let windbag buy me a new phone…
not a spits difference between republicans and democrats.
you guys are funny with all of your strong opinions.
evenly divided, thus easier to control.
wake up!
(I signed up of course, I take his free iphone anyday. I am not stupid)
If conservatives love the free market so much, why don’t they like the free market of ideas? They must not if they create this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia
With such visionary entries as this one:
“Homosexuality is an immoral sexual lifestyle between members of the same sex. It is more than simply a sexual act, it is going beyond the boundaries that God has setup for marriage; one man and one woman.
Sexual relations between the same sex is condemned in both Old and New Testaments. It is forbidden directly four times in the Bible.”
Let freedom ring.
“Rush has to do something to distract his listeners from the increasingly illegal activities of the Bush Administration – who he is a cheerleader for.”
Anyone who listens, liberal or conservative, knows this is not true. He has hammered Bush about immigration as well as other positions. Where he generally goes 100% with Bush is on The War on Terror, as most conservatives do. Just a little truth injection.
Well that sure shut you up.
“How about a coke-snorting president?!”
Leave Clinton out of it!
BTW: Glenn Beck is also offering the same deal:
http://www.glennbeck.com
excuse my french but, on s’en calisses-tu que rush limbaugh soit de gauche ou de droite, who cares if he’s a left wing or right wing personnality, that doesn’t make the product better or worse, talk of it in a good manner, talk in a bad manner, as long as you talk about it, and that’s what’s happening here! waiter, on more bière please!
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@ Quad Core
Clinton smoked weed (and lied about it)
Bush snorted coke (and lied about it)
Go, cheerleaders, go!!!
still not enough to list to the blowhard….
“3 strikes and you are out! execute these drug users! unless they are me! i need your prayers….”
Wow! What was mdn thinking even putting up the link – should have known the political dicks would piss all over the place.
Of course, it is America, home of the free, land of the … well, I guess we can no longer saye ‘brave’ anymore. Seems the going gets tough, or the wrong part is in power, and we run like chickens.
And Willie G – thank heavens you’re not a judge…hate to be in your court, where apparently evidence is based on insane rantings. Dude..seriously, go suck a gun barrel, do yourself a favor. Or move to China. Either way…just make like a leaf and blow already.
“Keep exposing the liberal terrorist lovers for who they are.”
More proof that wingnuts are , well, nuts.
Hate and name calling is so much easier than actually taking time to understand or learn something.
“Punish success is the liberal mantra.”
No, more like punish hypocrisy.
Glenn Beck’s Official Rules include the same notice as Rush’s: enter and you will be sold.
Picky
Could it be possible that this is a marketing scheme and not charity? Is that possible? Could it be that the email addresses are used by the contracted company that holds the drawings or verifies the winners? Could this be normal? Could it be anything other than evil?
TINSTAAFL
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LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!
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Liberals = Terrorist lovers = Murderers = Commies = Mentally Disturbed
Willie G….
prozac is your friend.
TowerTone,
Enjoyed your sarcasm. I was only pointing out the plainly written details of the obvious to the more than a few here who seem to imagine that TISATAAFL — and they should consider the cost before entering. Some seemed to imagine it was an opportunity to be taken advantage of, but I don’t think anybody seemed to imagine it was charity.
Right on Rush! We love you. Keep exposing the liberal terrorist lovers for who they are. Good luck Britain. What a loser you elected. Here’s a great read on a former terrorists insights. Read the reader comments too:
I’m pretty certain that liberals don’t love terrorists, but we don’t believe that the erosion of civil liberties, the prosecution of illegal wars based on phoney intelligence or the illegal rendition of suspects without due process into the custody of those who perform outsourced torture (thus providing the veneer that the US does not engage in such practices) is necessarily the lesser of two evils.
In any case, surely the people who enable the terrorists are the real ‘terrorist-lovers’; if you accept that argument, isn’t the administration of Ronald Reagan (through Casey’s CIA) more of a lover of terrorists than any so-called ‘liberal’ regime.
After all, wasn’t it the CIA under the Reagan/Bush admin that funded and trained the Mujahaddin that metastasised into Al Quaeda. And wasn’t it the same administration that (illegally) funded the Contradoras in Nicaragua (using money channelled from Iran); the Contras were real charmers who had the charming habit of skinning their enemies alive and leaving the corpses hanging in the trees as a message to others. Reagan once described the Contradoras as the “moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers” which is an interesting point to carry into tomorrow’s holiday.
As an aside, you seem to be living under the mistaken idea that the UK has recently had an election: too bad that your knowledge of foreign politics is so slim, but hardly surprising – Gordon Brown was appointed as Prime Minister without a contest as no other candidate was able to muster sufficient seconds to their nomination to force a full ballot among members of the UK’s Labour Party.
You also seem to be living under the the delusion that the Daily Mail is a newspaper: many Britons would disagree with you on that fact which is indicated by the fact that the Editor-In-Chief was once voted as the person who most people would like to see marooned on a desert island, Dacre was once quoted as saying something along the lines of “the ideal Daily Mail story is one that leaves the reader either frightened or angry” – a principle that seems to be shared by many US media outlets. Still what can you expect from a paper that supported the Nazis back in the Thirties.
Vote Green or die, you Republican/Democrat fools.
You’ll all be proven wrong. Our governments are controlled by corporations that don’t give a rat’s ass what’s good for you. We are all doomed as long as we believe this propaganda. The economy is being propped up by cheap oil and the military industrial complex. Our leaders are bought and paid for by the same people who control the media. So while you all fight each other nothing happens. TOOLS.
HE SOUNDED HIGH AGAIN TODAY.
@Brad,
“Liberals = Terrorist lovers = Murderers = Commies = Mentally Disturbed”.
Jeezus, Brad, did this come directly out of your special “Rush-Edition” Speak N’ Spell? These talk show maggots have you so brainwashed you can’t even put together coherent sentences anymore.
My question is, with all the “liberals this” and “conservatives that” rhetoric out there, how many of you truly understand the philosophical backbone of either side? My guess is barely any.
Anyone paying attention will understand that the Republican Party DOES NOT represent conservatism, and does not follow the philosophy of conservatism! Instead of defending the vermin thugs that reside in the White House, conservatives should stand up and claim back their own party!!! Conservatives should NOT be defending cronyism, subversion of law, freewheeling spending, the desecration of our Constitution, the violation of the liberties it protects, voter caging, the raping of the taxpayer from defense contractor overcharges, social agendas, war crimes, torture, yadda yadda.
The Republican Party deserves better. America deserves better. When people like Brad finally quit parroting the talk show bile they hear on the radio–actually figure out what “liberal” and “conservative” mean and quit using the labels as four-letter words because four-letter words are all they understand, and actually make even the smallest attempt to understand the complex world before them, will this nation finally steer itself onto a better course.
P.S. Hey Brad– BOTH liberals AND conservatives bleed red, white, and blue! Conservatives are no more patriotic than liberals, and vice versa! Grow a brain and shove your talk radio up your a$$.
“I’d rather spend the money, but this generation of conservatives would sign-up for anything in the hope of getting something for nothing.”
Conservatives want something for nothing???
You have it backward, my friend. Liberals are all about the free ride no accountability state.
Capitalism at its best. Go Rush.
Senator McCarthy was in many ways correct. Look what the commies in un-Holywood and their fellow travellers continue to do to this country.
Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, (shakes head in disbelief)…
Go and do some research: the states that lean Dem are invariably the donor states to the Federal budget and the states that lean Republican are the leeches on that budget.
The data – which is audited – speaks for itself.
I’d rather have to use a tin can and string for the rest of my life than have to listen to the imbecilic drivel from that nut job.
The last thing in the world I want is a daily email with Rush’s wingnut blather… but for a chance to win an iPhone with 2 yrs free service I’ll happily delete an extra email or two a day.
@ ChrissyOne
I saw you at the U-Village Apple store, although I don’t know if you saw me. But you left and I didn’t get the chance to say ‘hi’.
“Welcome! You have joined an elite group of influential citizens who have elected to receive the “Rush in a Hurry” Daily Show Notes.”
Pretty funny. Got an email confirmation from Rush’s website saying I’ve joined an ‘elite group…’ Hasn’t Rush always railed against so-called ‘elites’ ?
MW = Nation (As in this nation would be soooo much better off if the 80% moderate majority had a larger political voice than the loud screaming heard from the 20% on the far-right and far-left that drowns them out.)
just to really stir the pot… check this fellow Briton debunking bbc’s debunking of 911 truth seekers. quite excellent… http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1882365905982811133&hl=en Alex Jones may be shrill.. but if even half the stuff he says is true.. it will time to mobilize resistance when they pull another false flag on us.
To be or not to be, that is the question that Republicans will soon find out. Here’s the deal dudes, if you guys nominate Thompson, fine you’ll lose the old fashioned way. Because, believe me you will lose the presidency in 2008. That’s not really even a question. But, here’s the fun part, if you guys nominate Guiliani, there will invariably enter a strong anti-abortion third party candidate that will divide the presidential vote and make it cake for the Dems to win. What’s more notable about that situation is the fact that it will mark the end of the Republican party. You guys aren’t all that much a big tent party but you do have 2 important groups that definitely see things differently, you have the economic guys wanting low taxes and an end to government programs and the religious guys who don’t want abortion or gay marriage. Those 2 groups have existed with some friction and a Guiliani nomination would finally bring that friction to fever pitch and the Republican party would end in its current form. The future is bright.
@ montex
Well of course I don’t know if I saw you, I don’t know what you look like! Did I take your picture? I haven’t edited those yet.
Willy, I warned you about the smoking that cheap stuff…
Wake up and read the rules. What’s your privacy worth? Note the “this and other Sweepstakes”, “waive all” rights, etc., and “disclosure of personal information” for any purpose.
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6. PUBLICITY; USE OF PERSONAL INFORMATION: By participating, where allowed by law, the Winner and all participants grant the Sponsor and Radio Show exclusive permission to use their names, characters, photographs, voices, videos, and likenesses in connection with promotion of this and other Sweepstakes and waive any claims to royalty, right, or remuneration for such use. By participating in the Sweepstakes, where allowed by law, participants agree that the Sponsor may disclose personal information obtained from participants in the Sweepstakes to third parties and use such information for marketing and other purposes.
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You might be able to help the situation! Just move yourself to a new country, you know, one on the correct path, and help to build a new shining example for America to follow. Might I suggest Chad?
while i may not be a huge fan of mr. limbaugh, and while the left vs. right battle isn’t going to be won, let alone won on MDN, i’d gladly let the man gook me up with a iphone, and 2 years of service.
mdn word “find” as in something better to do with your time.
lib·er·al (lĭb’ər-əl, lĭb’rəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
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con·ser·va·tive (kən-sûr’və-tĭv) Pronunciation Key
adj.
Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.
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What percentage of the American public voted in the ’04 Presidential election?
Spartacus got it almost right except for a few minor points.
I’m pretty certain that liberals DO love terrorists given that they aid and abet them at every turn, and believe that the erosion of civil liberties (c.f. kelo decision, EPA regulations, taxation without representation, open borders), the prosecution of illegal wars based on phoney intelligence (c.f. Bosnia war under Clinton) or the illegal rendition of suspects without due process (c.f. Libby case) is their preferred MO.
Surely the people who enable the terrorists are the real ‘terrorist-lovers’; this would include Pelosi (c.f. Illegal Syria outreach trip, Harry “we lost the war” Reid, Jimmah “Hamas is my friend” Carter, Michael “Saddam was just trying to keep the trains running on time” Moore).
After all, wasn’t it the aforementioned Jimmah “never met a totalitarian dictator he didn’t love” Carter who put the Ayatollah back in power thus igniting the current Islamic Jihadist movement that now threatens all of western society? Wasn’t it the democrats who coddled the USSR and its satellites which lead to the funding and arming of the Ayatollah? And wasn’t it the Clinton administration that bombed Chinese embassies, aspirin factories, and innocent civillians in Kosovo to distract the public from his sexual harrasment and rape of numerous women while he should have been accepting offers from foreign governments to turn over OBL to the US on a platter? Instead, he decided to trade the lives of 3000 US citizens for a blow job. Who knows, it might have been worth it to ol’ Billy Boy.
I’ll admit, there is plenty of blame for the world’s problems to go around. I do blame Reagan for not being able to clean up all of Carter’s messes. And I do blame GW Bush for not cleaning up all of Clinton’s. There, you happy now Spart?
“What percentage of the American public voted in the ’04 Presidential election?”
With or without the illegal alien vote?
Rush wouldn’t be doing this if not for ratings declines. Many people will be gifting iphones, yet few will get any notice. I don’t understand why everyone has to hate so much. The left are not terrorist lovers. The Right are not all married to their relatives. We all love Macs Ipods and all other things Apple. I don’t understand why all the flame throwing. The same people here that call all liberals America haters are the same ones offering up help or receiving help on issues related to Apple. We are all the same liberals, right wingers, vegans, meat eaters etc. So why not cut the crap and keep all the political stuff off the front page? I think you know why.
@Greg, I’m sure all the Republicans reading this thread value your advice on who to nominate. Personally, I’m PRAYING that Mrs. Bill Clinton gets nominated. The GOP could nominate Ron Paul and he would beat Mrs. BC.
The Dems think that Mrs. BC will bring out the women vote. Fine, it very well may, but it will also bring out another group who would prefer not to see the first communist in the White House.
It will be especially fun if Al Gore jumps in. Gore really gets along well with Mrs. Bill. /sarcasm
Conservatism is an anal disorder.
@ Greg
The future is bright.
Translation:
If a Dimocrat gets elected, we can tax “rich” hard working people so I can continue to get free handouts, not work, and play on the Internet all day!!! (oh yeah, and get some “free health care”)..
Something for Nothing. I guess that’s a liberal’s idea of a “bright future”..
rush is one of the worst asshole of the country, a racist, how can u say anything positive about him ?
I like Rush, don’t agree with him 100% but a hell of a lot more than the bleeding heart liberals.
Rush is one of the original public promoters of Apple. Even in the early years of his show, he was vocal about praising how great Apple is.
Agreed, you don’t hear public praise from Uncle Al Gore on the board do we?
@Steve
Then what is Liberalism? I won’t say it in this forum…
The people on this board are an accurate representative microcosm of the stupidity of the American public.
I am secure in my Rightness.
Smartacus (another right-winger with the wit of Oscar Wilde – not),
Let’s look at your deluded post bit by bit
I’m pretty certain that liberals DO love terrorists given that they aid and abet them at every turn
Presumably, you have proof of that – if so, where is it so that I might have my ignorance illuminated.
and believe that the erosion of civil liberties (c.f. kelo decision, EPA regulations, taxation without representation, open borders)
I don’t get the argument with Kelo – it’s alright for the Federal Government to use eminent domain to acquire property for the purposes of developing infrastructure which develops the broader economy, but its not acceptable for local government to do the same for its local economy.
At least New London were willing to use eminent domain to acquire powers of compulsory purchase and reserved $1.6 million to compensate the 15 owners involved.
Presumably, you’d be OK with it if were the Federal Government and they were just going to build a railroad or an airport or a military base or firing rage. Even the current President still thinks that’s acceptable as he ordered here. Or maybe you’d just prefer New London and other areas to be permanently blighted once they’ve fallen on hard times and you just carry on finding new land to build on until you’ve paved over the whole of the United States.
As for the rest of your nonsense, please explain to me how you are not represented: have you fallen into a strange new part of the US that doesn’t have a Representative or a Senator in Congress? Are you denied a vote? Or – as I suspect – were you represented between 1994 and 2006 by a Republican and you’ve suddenly woken up and the landscape has changed?
EPA regulations? Do me a favor – the EPA has been progressively emasculated since 2001 and you’re even whining about the minimal amount of protection that been left in place. You do realise that there is a difference between Detroit being encouraged to build more efficient engines and someone having their genitals mutilated, or is it all the same thing to you?
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the prosecution of illegal wars based on phoney intelligence (c.f. Bosnia war under Clinton) or the illegal rendition of suspects without due process (c.f. Libby case) is their preferred MO.
You do know that genocide and rape was happening in Bosnia? That wasn’t a war based on false intelligence, that was a war based on solid evidence and it is to Clinton’s credit that you can now walk around Sarajevo without the threat of having a Serbian sniper put a bullet in your head.
Put that in comparison to Iraq where you can’t go the market or to Friday prayers without making sure you make a will first.
Clinton’s actions bought Milošević, Tuđman and Izetbegović to the negotiating table at Dayton and subsequently created a stable Bosnia-Herzegovna, Bush’s actions have created chaos and anarchy.
Number of US military casualties since the Dayton Accord: 0
Number of US military casualties since “Mission Accomplished”: I’ve lost count
Yep, I can see how that’s the same
As for Libby, how exactly was he denied due process? Grand Jury (which is where the whole sorry mess started), subsequent trial by jury, found guilty, sentenced. Doesn’t sound like that different a process to that experienced by any other criminal (which he still is for the moment) except that his friends felt that the strictures of wearing a nice orange jumpsuit wouldn’t suit his skin coloring and gave him time off for good behavior.
As you bought up the subject, maybe you can explain how an employee of the Federal Government lying to a Grand Jury isn’t more of a crime than some brainless socialite violating the terms of her probation. If even Paris Hilton can manage 23 days in the slammer, I’m confused as to how Scooter Libby – who is a grown adult male with a fully developed moral compass (surely he must be or the Vice-President wouldn’t have hired him) – can’t be expected to serve, let’s say, 90 days before being sprung. How about 45 days? How about 23 so he’s at least punished as much as a ditzy 26-year old with the brains of a chipmunk?
Oh, fsck it – let’s just let Germ Boy off the whole tiresome business of checking into Club Fed and let him go home, he must have learnt his lesson.
If he was denied due process, that could be argued at his appeal and then he’d be exonerated and he leave the court without a stain on his character and GWB wouldn’t have appeared like a deer caught in the headlights. Instead – and I’m just spit-balling here – it appears that he’s had his sentence commuted so that he doesn’t start “singing like a canary”.
Do feel free to explain the reasoning as I need the entertainment.
And why are there so many people around the world who hate the U.S.A?
Maybe it could have something to do with americans meddling in the affairs of other contries in order to secure oil for their hummers.
You guys deserve all the shit you get and then some. Letting bush go for another four years, he sure does wonders for world peace.
Just leave the middle east and maybe people won’t be so pissed at you for invading their country.
Surely the people who enable the terrorists are the real ‘terrorist-lovers’; this would include Pelosi (c.f. Illegal Syria outreach trip, Harry “we lost the war” Reid, Jimmah “Hamas is my friend” Carter, Michael “Saddam was just trying to keep the trains running on time” Moore).
Gosh, is going to Syria really illegal? Best tell Condi Rice. Better yet, tell Representative Frank R. Wolf (who, taking the Republican Party whip, represents the Virginia 10th district) who visited Syria the same week as Pelosi (actually a few days before) and decided to have a meeting with the Grand Mufti of Damascus, Ahmad Badr Eddin Hassoun.
Hold on, Grand Mufti of Damascus, the same Grand Mufti who praised white supremacist David Duke when the sheet-wearing, cross-burning bigot (Duke, not Hassoun) decided to tour Syria last year.
Whilst we’re criticizing people for sitting down with Islamic nut-jobs, let’s also say a big hello to Representative Joseph Pitts (R, Pennsylvania 16th). And let’s also give it up for Robert Alderholt (R, Alabama, but I couldn’t care less what district) who went along to get the Frequent Flyer miles.
Let’s return to Dr Duke: David Duke was also lauded by Muhammad Al-Habash (a member of Syria’s parliament as well as a cleric who runs the country’s Islamic Study Center and who is viewed as the most popular representative of “moderate” (!) Islam in Syria, despite being sent back home after arriving in Washington last year, apparently because of his allegedly anti-Jewish sermons): “Dr. David Duke’s wonderful visit has given us a new and very positive view of the average American. . It is Israel that is America’s real enemy – as parliamentarian David Duke has proved.”
Remind me again, which party did David Duke stand with when he was elected a member of Louisiana House Of Representatives?
Pelosi going to Syria was an act of treason. Going against US policy. It’s like Europe appeasing Hitler before WWII. If you idiots bothered to read that great article by a former terrorist it might give you some insite. Terrorist only respect and back down to a massive assault on them. Not appeasement. Here’s the article again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465570&in_page_id=1770
Also, you libs just don’t get it. Tax the rich and hard working to the point that what’s the point of working anymore to give to people who don’t work on purpose. You are going to ruin the world. Just watch.
Emil go fuck yourself and your the rest of world hates the US. It doesn’t matter what the US does the rest of the world will always be jealous of it or ignorant of it. You wouldn’t have so many people constantly trying to get to the US if it was so bad. I can promise you the US is the best place to live in the world, period. I am very well traveled. Nothing beats the US. There are a lot of pretty places but none beat the US. However, liberals are doing their best to ruin the country.
The losers are the ones who still listen to an admitted “water-carrier” for the American Reich. Have a listen….
“My friends, I am a pervert. I do like kinky, weird sex, and I’m going to continue to like kinky, weird sex” (pops)
So THAT’S what he was doing in the Dominican Republic…
Good work, Fat Boy!
“NEW BRITISH PM: Don’t Say Terrorists are Muslims; Drops Phrase ‘War on Terror’…”
That says it all. After reading Jason Knight’s link reposted above and just common sense, it just goes to show the libs have no clue!!!!!!
MacYak and ilk,
You people are the dregs of the world. Not anywhere near as intelligent as you think you are. You’re very lucky very smart people are around to take care of your sorry asses.
From 70% per cent of America and 99% of the rest of the world, go screw yourself. The Rethuglicans are lying, blood-drenched thieving scum whose comeuppance is going to be harsh and long-lasting. You, Blush Limpdick and the rest of the sewage will be flushed away and few will miss you. Have fun in hell.
Pelosi going to Syria was an act of treason.
But revealing the name of a serving CIA operative is just a bit of humor. Still Bob, if it was treason by the person who is third in line to the Presidency, how about the Republican congressmen?
Going against US policy. It’s like Europe appeasing Hitler before WWII
Yeah, that’s a bit shaky: Prescott Bush, Harriman Bank, Thyssen. Appeasing Nazis before WWII as opposed to having a profitable relationship with them during WWII. Hmmm…
If you idiots bothered to read that great article by a former terrorist it might give you some insite. Terrorist only respect and back down to a massive assault on them. Not appeasement.
So that’s why we financed them and trained them. Great insite (sic)!
Also, you libs just don’t get it. Tax the rich and hard working to the point that what’s the point of working anymore to give to people who don’t work on purpose. You are going to ruin the world. Just watch.
Yep, that’s why the majority of hogs feeding at the Federal trough are the states which vote Republican. Why don’t you go and do some research instead of parroting the same old nonsense? You worry about your taxation being used to fund work-dodgers, whilst I worry about it being wrapped up in a big bag and given to Halliburton, Bechtel and their ilk.
The war in Iraq has so far cost well over $400 billion and climbing: in other words, it’s already cost over $1300 for every man, woman and child in the country. Your average two adults/two children family has already paid $5200 for this war, which strikes me as being a lot of money.
Of course, you seem pretty happy to spend the money of the 50% of the people who didn’t give this President a mandate for this war either before or after the event: given that they seem to be clustered in the states that contribute to the Federal budget, it would seem the people who don’t want the war are the ones paying for it and the people earning from the war are the ones who support it.
Who’d have think it?
That whole Valery Plame thing is BS and a setup. You libs know it. Stupid comparison. Desperate. Mac Yak you are disgusting and vile and a terrorist supporter. You will rot in hell.
By the way, can I just ask the Republican apologists why – if contact with Syria is illegal – why a Canadian citizen (Maher Arar) was illegally rendered by the US into the hands of the Syrian security services where he was systematically beaten and tortured for around twelve months.
Mr. Arar’s crime was to appear on a US watch-list and his misfortune was to change planes at JFK.
It would appear we trust the Syrians to do our outsourced torture, but not much else.
Feel free to try and justify this contradiction, once again I’ll enjoy the entertainment.
The democrats voted to go to war with Iraq as well you buffoon. It was a good start. Iran needs to be taken out pronto.
We should legalize torture for muslim terrorists. That’s the only language those cave men understand.
Jack,
Not it isn’t and if you’d open your closed little mind for a day or two and stop filtering the views of Faux Noise, you’d realise that.
Special Counsel Fitzgerald stated in court papers:
“At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms. Wilson’s employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson was a COVERT [emphasis added] employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.”
Someone revealed that relationship. It wasn’t Plame. It wasn’t Wilson. Who was it?
Ron,
Based on exaggerated intelligence that was politicised by this administration.
Thanks for playing “Let’s Remember The Lie That Started The War That Cost A Trillion Dollars”.
Bill > Why stop at Muslim terrorists? Let’s torture animal rights activists. Or members of the Ku Klux Klan. Or the Michigan Militia. Aryan White Pride? Actually, I don’t like the look of you so I think I’ll transport you to Uzbekistan where you can have your genitals mutilated and be sodomised with broom handles.
Actually, I don’t like the look of you so I think I’ll transport you to Uzbekistan where you can have your genitals mutilated and be sodomised with broom handles.
Sounds like a typical Wednesday in the Bush Misadministration.
why a Canadian citizen (Maher Arar) was illegally rendered by the US into the hands of the Syrian security services where he was systematically beaten and tortured for around twelve months
You see a problem with this..??
tortured for 12 months, what’s the problem?
Not like he was beheaded in the name of a false god or anything like that…
the “war” (IRAQ)-
Wolfowitz’s idea.
Trust me.
George Bush is awesome. Disagree with him on immigration. But otherwise we love him. Screw you libs.
gwb… fake businessman, fake cowboy, fake family man, fake compassion, fake conservative, fake Christian, fake President, fake wars-real consequences….. MW-hell, exactly.
ibookfast = fake person
I dare any liberal to lay out there ideal plan to stop terrorism and how they think people should be taxed and who should be eligible for free handouts from the government.
I meant “their” not there. Long day. I know the libs will jump all over that because they don’t have any way to really defend their positions.
Here’s my plan, Oscar:
I dare any liberal to lay out there ideal plan to stop terrorism
You mean like the way the Rescumlicans have totally eradicated the problem? They’re making it worse by arming the thugs who then turn those U.S.-financed guns on U.S. and other soldiers. Hell of a jeorb, Bushie!
and how they think people should be taxed
Stopping corporate welfare would be a great start.
and who should be eligible for free handouts from the government.
Everyone but you.
Rightards = not even as smart as fifth-graders.
There you go. A typical idiotic left wing response to a great post by Oscar. You libs have no plan or answer other than to tax away any reason to work hard and appease the terrorists and irrationally bash Republicans. It’s absolutely pathetic. Mac Yak you are the true definition of scum.
Rush Rocks the Haus!!!!
The truth is Rush and his right-wingers secretly hate America.
You couldn’t be more wrong Steve. In fact it is exactly the opposite. The libs are the ones that hate everything about the US and want to change into a communist nation. You people have lost it.
You couldn’t be more wrong, Trish. In fact it is exactly the opposite. The conservatives are the ones that hate everything about the US and want to change it into a fascist nation. You people have lost it.
“It” being the US Constitution.
Trish
More bullshit. It was Rumsfeld that shook Saddam’s hand and met with Osama bin Laden in the 1980s. Rethuglicans armed and gave the initial financing to the terrorists. They started this, and that’s how history is going to remember them: as idiotic opportunists whose Project for a New American Century caved in like a house of cards after six disastrous years and at a cost of billions of (currently off-the-book) dollars and thousands of (currently in-the-ground) lives.
Keep on defending the indefensible. You and the other right-trash douchebags are on the hook for ALL OF IT.
Mac Yak you idiot. That was a completely different era. At the time that was what we thought was best for the US. Now it’s a totally different situation. Or we understand it better. You had the Soviet Union back then creating all kinds of problems. Now they still do that but no where near like they used to. Your ridiculous posts make you look like the asshole that you are. Get back on your meds fast.
Thank you, right wing, for making me a Proud American. I feel content and well grounded when my country invades another because I believe in reactionary politics, where knee-jerk reactions always end in the best of ways. Thank you, right wing, for selling America a lie that if I believe in church, and god, and don’t abort my fetuses, I will be saved by Jesus. Thank you, right wing, for telling me that it is imperative that I shoot and own any gun I want even though most of the time those guns are being shot at me. Thank you, right wing, for selling out to corporations, so it makes sense that my world is polluted by deregulation. Thank you, right wing, for siding with credit card companies instead of the middle class. Thank you, right wing, for telling me that universal health care is evil, but because I don’t have health insurance it doesn’t matter how good/bad hospitals are, I still can’t go to them! Thank you, right wing, for making America a cold, hard, evil place where I have $100,000 in college loans but am working for $12 an hour!!! Thank you, right wing, for living in your ivory tower of wealth, and faith, and not really coming down to where the rest of America is really at and having an honest conversation with us.
And most of all, thank you Rush Limbaugh for blindly siding with anything conservative because it’s your schtick. We all have heard about your upbringing, the shame that you have reaped on your family, your failed relationships, and your drug use. Rush, like the right wing, you are not America. You are something evil.
Get out of my country.
You see a problem with this..??
tortured for 12 months, what’s the problem?
Not like he was beheaded in the name of a false god or anything like that…
Well, the problem with it was that he was incorrectly placed on the watchlist – a fact discovered by the Canadian government – and, as a result, innocent of any terrorist activity, without links to any terrorist groups or individuals and without knowledge of any information relating to terrorists or terrorism other than what he’d seen on the news.
So my main problem with his rendition is that it was illegal in and of itself, it delivered him – by CIA flight into Jordan and then by car into Damascus – into the hands of a regime that the US Government claims to be a sponsor of terror (spot the irony, or have you had that part of your brain removed), and it shows that – whilst the US Government maintains the lie that it does not engage in torture – it is not above ‘outsourcing’ torture to regimes that any reasonable administration would run across the street to avoid.
My other secondary problem is that – even if the government’s assertion about not being involved in or supporting torture were not so patently false – it is obvious from your statement and the statements of many others that there is a significant percentage of Republican supporters who have come to the conclusion that the practice of torture is an acceptable path for this country.
Once that opinion becomes broadly held – particularly in the supporters of one political party, you’re only a hop, skip and a jump (if that’s not too gay for you) from advocating torture for your political opponents or maybe even advocating their assassination – do we know any Republican polemicists/commentators who have advocated the murder of the opponents (judges, journalists, etc.) of the Republican party? Think hard now, if that’s still a possibility for you.
Why haven’t any libs laid out their plan of action yet?????? They obviously don’t have a clue about how to anything but bash Republicans. You people are sick!
From the “liberal hawk” book WITH ALL OUR MIGHT by Will Marshall – which proceeds from three premises:
First, defeating Islamist extremism is America’s top security imperative. Second, victory demands a new strategy that is both tough and smart. Third, progressives should stop reacting to President Bush and start leading on national security.
A sampling of ideas:
Support Muslim modernizers.
The United States has not launched a war against Islamist terrorism so much as joined a war already in progress, argues Reza Aslan. It is a civil war within Islam — or fitnah, as Muslims call it — a fight between orthodoxy and modernity. Americans must work to tip the balance in favor of the modernizers. We must start by avoiding polarizing “us vs. them” rhetoric. And we should view Muslim Americans as an untapped national resource to be pressed into service to make the case for freedom and democracy in the Muslim world.
Create a Grand Strategy for the Middle East.
Long a Cold War sideshow, the Middle East has become this century’s main arena of conflict – call for harmonizing America’s often contradictory Middle East policies in a new “grand strategy” that aims to foster a new stability in the region, based on the spread of liberal ideas, habits, and institutions.
Seed liberal democracy.
Political Islam has flourished in opposition to the corrupt, despotic regimes that pervade the Middle East. To pacify the region and promote its long-term prosperity – propose a Middle East version of the 1975 Helsinki Accords, which created a network of international institutions and nongovernmental organizations that helped to peacefully undermine Soviet and Eastern European communism.
Revive Muslim economies.
In addition to chronic misrule, the Muslim world faces a deepening economic crisis. From Morocco to Central Asia, populations have been exploding while trade has dwindled, unemployment has risen, and living standards have fallen. As it did during the Cold War, America should use trade to spur economic development and opportunity for people in the region.
Shape the global battlefield.
Jihadist violence is a transnational phenomenon, but the United States and its allies lack a global counterterrorism strategy. What’s needed is a new International Counterterrorism Agency that can help frontline countries strengthen their anti-terrorism capacity.
Prevent nuclear terrorism.
The single most frightening threat to our national security is the prospect of a nuclear weapon in the hands of terrorists. Nuclear terrorism is preventable if we insist on three simple rules: no loose nukes, no new nuclear fuel programs, and no new nuclear weapon states. We must make Russia’s unsecured nuclear weapons and materials as safe as the gold in Fort Knox. Second, we should use bigger carrots and sticks to prevent Iran from developing facilities for enriching uranium or reprocessing plutonium, and to hold North Korea to its pledge to shut down its fledgling weapons program.
Strike a grand bargain with Pakistan.
When it comes to fighting jihadism, it’s not yet clear whether Pakistan is part of the problem or part of the solution. To ensure that Pakistan becomes a full-fledged partner, America and its allies should offer it a major package of economic and military aid, coupled with a bilateral trade agreement. In return, President Musharraf ‘s government should give the United States an ironclad commitment to hunt down Osama bin Laden and his henchmen, return Pakistan to free elections and democracy, and suppress terrorist groups launching attacks on neighboring Kashmir.
End of Part 1
Part 2
Create a post-9/11 military.
America has the best military in the world for conventional warfare, but its forces were not designed for today’s unconventional challenges of transnational terrorism, post-conflict stabilization, counterinsurgency, and counter-proliferation. Propose a major military reorganization around these post-9/11 imperatives. Specifically, they recommend a new force structure that is geared toward three missions: preventing conflicts and humanitarian disasters; defeating enemies through sustained combat when prevention fails; and rebuilding civil order and basic infrastructure in failed states, as well as after disasters here at home.
Reconcile Democrats and the military.
There is a large cultural and political divide between Democrats and the military. We must bridge that gap for the good of the Democratic Party and our country, writes Operation Iraqi Freedom veteran Melissa Tryon. In addition to offering a coherent vision for national security, this progressive action plan includes forging relationships with veterans groups and other organizations that represent soldiers; encouraging military service by political liberals and elite college students; and addressing the day-to-day challenges of the military community in policy debates.
Don’t fear a strong Europe.
America needs a strong and globally engaged Europe, argues Ronald D. Asmus. Achieving our key foreign policy goals — from modernizing the Middle East to managing China’s rise to world power — will be nearly impossible without the help of our oldest and closest allies. We need to support Europe’s successful economic and political integration, make the European Union a focal point of U.S. diplomacy, and modernize NATO so it can operate effectively in the Middle East and beyond.
Reinvent the United Nations.
The United Nations faces a crisis of credibility and must be radically overhauled, writes Anne-Marie Slaughter. To reflect today’s security threats, the world body’s mission should be broadened to include not only protecting states from aggression, but also protecting the people within states from mass murder. Slaughter envisions a new division of labor in which the United Nations focuses on economic and social assistance to weak and failing states, while a reinvented NATO assumes the burden of collective security.
Put the economy on a wartime footing.
America’s strength and security ultimately derive not from military power, but from a strong economy and vital society. The Bush administration has ignored this basic strategic insight, says David J. Rothkopf. Security now demands that we restore fiscal sanity in Washington, reimpose budget discipline, roll back irresponsible wartime tax cuts, and invest in America’s future health and competitiveness.
Spur a post-oil economy.
Forget about an energy “Manhattan Project” or “Apollo moon shot.” What America needs now are concrete, near-term steps to break our dependence on oil. Jan Mazurek shows how a mandatory national cap on the greenhouse gas emissions that we produce by burning oil can be a policy lever that speeds diversification into homegrown biofuels and touches off a frenzy of innovation in the energy and clean technology markets.
Tap the patriotic spirit of the 9/11 generation.
For Americans under 30 years old, 9/11 was a formative experience. But they do not easily fit into conventional liberal-conservative, hawk-dove dichotomies, argue Rachel Kleinfeld and Matthew Spence. They are generally more patriotic, confident in the military, and supportive of free trade than any other age group. Yet they also distrust large corporations and media spin. Many of them are making a home in the Democratic Party as Truman Democrats. Leaders can appeal to them if they espouse a worldview that is rooted in the principles of progressive internationalism.
Courtesy of the DLC web site
source: http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=450004&subid=900020&contentid=253877
Jake>
Firstly, I don’t see how anything I’m saying particularly bashes Republicans – they are simple statements of fact which are proven either by reading the collected ‘thoughts’ of Republican commentators or the comments of those who post on this site.
Secondly, what is the point in saying anything about an alternate plan of action: how many of the forty-one recommendations in the 9/11 Commission’s (a report whose recommendations would be heeded according to the current occupant of the Whitehouse – sorry, I no longer feel it appropriate to refer to him as ‘The President’; it’s an insult to those who have held the post with more dignity and honor including, bizarrely, Richard M. Nixon) report are, as yet, unactioned?
Whilst we’re on the tack of listening to the counsel of others: how many recommendations of the Iraq Study Group have been actioned either in whole or in part?
This is now an administration that doesn’t even listen to people who are on the same side of the political fence, whilst the supporters, cheerleaders and water-carriers (including Rush L) have taken to abusing them by labelling them ‘surrender monkeys’ and saying that their comments make them “want to puke”.
How has the political debate becomes so debased that recommendations even from people like James Baker are treated with total and utter contempt, whilst the recommendations of the AEI (which, along with PNAC, got us into this mess in the first place) are given yet another chance with the so-called ‘surge’.
As a result, I’m not certain what value is gained from arguing that the war in Iraq is antithetical to the best interests of the United States and in recommending other courses of action which deliver more light on the actions of global terrorists than either a) flooding a sovereign nation with over 100,000 troops or b) illegally kidnapping people and exporting them to be tortured by people with whom we should hold at arms length.
If classic Republicans cannot gain any foothold in the ‘thinking’ of the current administration or in the minds of Republican supporters like yourself, what is the point in liberal-leaning people, who – as yourself – are patriots who are normally proud of their country, saying anything at all: You’re not seeing the damage that the current administration’s policies are doing and you’re certainly not listening to the arguments – I want to say something about three wise monkeys, but the wise bit is evading me.
However, let’s try and agree on one thing: when a man is given due process through the legal process and is duly found guilty by a jury of his peers, surely – in a nation of laws – the Chief Executive should not commute that man’s sentence even before the appeals process has been completed.
Why focus on this: because this country will not and cannot stand out as a bastion of truth and justice until we are willing to confront truth and deliver justice regardless of race, creed, color or social or political standing.
What the Chief Executive did earlier this week was an affront to the will of the court, an insult to the justice system and contempt of the will of the majority of the people. Unlike Ford’s pardon of Nixon – which at least had the veneer of attempting to rebuild the nation after the shame of Watergate – the commuting of Libby’s sentence (which amounts to a pardon in all but name, as it spares him from ever spending a day in a cell to contemplate the gravity of putting his party before his country) is a purely partisan act from an administration which has lost any concept of a moral compass.
For the sake of public confidence in the nation’s system of justice, laws must be seen to be upheld and those who break those laws must be seen to be punished no matter how fleeting that punishment might be: simply making a man like Libby pay over a fine which is likely to be an inconsequential proportion of his net worth and making them serve a period of probation fails to address the initial contempt shown in the offence or the cost of pursuing the case. It is a sham and anyone who doesn’t have their head stuck firmly in their ass should be able to see that.
Before I or any other ‘criminal-loving’ liberal can have a conversation with tough-talking conservative Republicans, show me an Executive Branch that is willing to uphold the rule of law and the system of values implicit therein – until then, your party and its supporters have no moral position from which to lecture anyone on democracy, justice, values (my magic word, ironically) or any other topic.
Steve and Spartacus—
Excellent posts. Thank you.
Wow, I had a thought that when I visited MDN, it would be about Apple. Now why would I ever think such a thing? Everyone here seems much more interested in politics. Here is a link for all of you:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=political+forums&spell=1
Douche Dimbulb and AT&T (American Treason & Treachery) are a perfect match.
One is complicit in illegal wiretapping and the other is a brain-dead cheerleader for fascist tyranny.
I can’t remember which is which.
Steve,
Nice post. Glad to see at least one of you libs has a plan. Spartacus is a troll.
Jake>
I could argue with you, but – as I said – you’re not really listening, just as people like you weren’t listening in 2000 (when it was obvious that George W Bush has the foreign policy credentials of a banana) or 2004 (when it was obvious that he didn’t have a clue about what was happening in Iraq or how to deal with it).
I’ve argued on this site for a more intelligence-based approach to fighting terrorism (i.e. developing co-operative human intelligence assets and analysing their output alongside signals and other intelligence assets, as opposed to torturing what you want to hear out of people which is just state-sponsored barbarism). I’ve argued for a more balanced and critical relationship with the House of Saud (which is corrupt from top to bottom, and which sponsors the Wahabist fundamentalism – via madrassas and satellite TV – from which Al Quaeda draws its recruits). And I’ve argued that we need to be wary of Pakistan which, even after 9/11, was acting a nuclear Wal-Mart for the Islamic world.
These are all concepts in Steve’s link, but for my trouble I was called a terrorist-lover and a communist (curiously, I am neither). As I said, those on your side of the fence are not willing to see what’s happening and you’re not willing to listen to alternate strategies because, for reasons passing understanding, you seem to feel you can fight an asymmetric war using the techniques of a conventional conflict.
Why the neo-conservatives decided to commit over 100,000 troops to perform an act of regime change in a neo-secular (albeit autocratic and tyrannical) Middle Eastern state when the real threat to the United States was and continues to be a highly fluid and mobile network of Islamic extremists operating from North Africa to Indonesia beggars the imagination and defies all logic.
Those 100,000+ troops are – because of the parlous state of Iraq’s internal security – now committed for the long-term which means that this country has been left exposed to real threats from real enemies. The costs and commitments of the war have prevented the recommendations of the Tower Commission from being implemented. This is wanton negligence and hubris that fails to protect the American public and it was avoidable.
You can call me a troll if you like, but the truth is that you’re simply unwilling to confront the truth which is that the current incarnation of the party you’ve chosen to support has decided to base its style of leadership on a bizarre mix of the politics of a Pasolini film and the military strategy of Sgt. Bilko.
Wow that Spartacus freak is nuts!
Spartacus,
You are not a freak or nuts, nor a terrorist-lover or a commie. Name-calling doesn’t solve anything, especially in politics. The latest taunt that the right is currently using is referring to liberalism as a mental disorder. I usually choose to avoid such nonsense, but occasionally I respond in kind to right-wingers, regretting that my own name-calling just obfuscates good, honest discussion. The less we all bicker and name-call the better us all, and for our country to get back on track of being democracy’s beacon for the 21st century.
iPhones for all!
Spartacus,
You are nuts.
No iPhone for Mackster.
Mackster/Kim/all-comers…
As I’ve mentioned to others such as Jim -TiV, your comments are an example of the paucity of debate and – sadly – are typical of the bullying nature of the right-wing of American politics at this time.
If your sole response to my clearly stated arguments (whether right or wrong) are that I’m a freak or that I’m nuts without establishing a clear justification for that opinion, then all you are doing is creating an argument along the lines of “I’m rubber and you’re glue” or “I know I am, but what are you”.
Personally, I’m in my mid-forties so I’ve outgrown simple name-calling as a substitute for reasoned debate – given that you obviously haven’t and you obviously support a party which believes in insulting your intelligence whilst injuring this country, all I can do is wish you well and hope that the next 19 months goes by as quickly as possible.
The rhetoric I hear each and every day
It’s gone tomorrow
Not here to stay
So much energy they do expound
Trying so hard
To put people down
Listen to me I know what’s best
I am the One
Smarter than the rest
If they only knew what fools they be
How little they are
Their nothing to see
They have no idea what life is about
To believe in Jesus
Or you will be left out
He doesn’t care how big a fool you have been
He loves you anyway
Because your there with him
Rush speaks the truth. What a great guy and great medium he has.
REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. President. Yesterday you called for a deadline for U.N. action on Kosovo. When would you like that deadline set? …
DUBYA: Thanks. A couple of points on that. First of all, I don’t think I called for a deadline. I thought I said, time — I did? What exactly did I say? I said deadline? Okay, yes, then I meant what I said.
Nick,
So when our drug-addicted host attacked Michael J. Fox on his show for deliberately not taking his medication so as to increase the visibility of the “twitch/tick/shake” symptoms that people afflicted by Parkinson’s have to suffer; it wasn’t so much that he was lying, he was just talking out of blind ignorance.
A Republican ignorant of the facts – never heard of such a thing before, but there’s always a first I suppose.
And when he concurrently did his little impersonation of Fox twitching; again he wasn’t lying, he was just ‘entertaining’ his ‘viewers’ using the same tactics beloved of your average eleven-year old.
A Republican behaving in an insensitive manner – again, a completely new experience for me.
Thanks for clearing up Rush’s position in the broadcasting firmament – he’s a prophet for our times and he used the Oxycontin to help him reach his spirit guide so he could continue his vision quest.
Thanks for the humor – I haven’t laughed so much since the mid-terms.
Spartacus, I agree with much of what you have written. Obviously Limbaugh is ignorant of tardive dyskinesia, a side effect of chronic dopamine therapy used in treating Parkinson’s, an AKINETIC neurodegenerative disease. He did indeed offer an apology after being vilified by organizations of Parkinson’s patients. But his obvious eagerness to launch an ad hominem attack in complete ignorance should be obvious. As the Japanese say: 馬鹿につける薬がな – There’s no cure for stupidity.
In 1994 FAIR.org has published a lengthy catalog of gross factual errors made by Limbaugh, and his responses to their analysis. Basically Limbaugh was unable to refute a single claim made by FAIR.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895
It is my fault. I stuck my neck out and got involved in a political situation. I am now fair game. Rush has every right to call me out on not taking my medication.
Fact: Michael J. Fox Admitted on ABC “I Haven’t Read It” When Asked About the Missouri Amendment to Legalize Human Cloning That He Mischaracterized as a Stem-Cell Bill in the Ad!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential3/mjf0.guest.html
Pseudo-Fox
You still don’t understand, do you? Google “tardive dyskinesia”.
Edwardo
So what? Do you think that makes Limbaugh vituperative attack acceptable?
The problem with libs is that they set up these barriers that if you attack the messenger or issue they immediately label you a bigot or polictally incorrect. Take illegal aliens for instance. Anyone who sides against the issues is a villian. Complete BS!!!!! Your argument does not scare intelligent people. Rush keep right on exposes these trolls.
Know thine enemy, and take his freebies.
Rush is only the enenemy to terrorists and their liberal friends.
Lowest rated congress in history. Good work libs.
Tom,
The only way Rush is an enemy to terrorists is if he fell down the stairs and one of them was standing at the bottom.
Like many supporters of this war, Limbaugh has never seen service in an active theater of war and, additionally, he’s never served in any way whatsoever.
If the war on terror ever spreads to Palm Beach, Limbaugh will be on the first plane to Canada or Mexico; he’s an empty suit who has nothing to offer but hateful invective which appeal to the basest instincts in people who are fearful of the change in the world around them and who need thoughtful strategies and intelligent debate.
Limbaugh is the L. Ron Hubbard of modern political commentary, a snake-oil salesman who belongs in a sideshow tent; without a single independent thought that hasn’t been bought and paid for by Republican lobby groups from tobacco to oil, from HMOs to mining, he’s a mouth for hire who doesn’t believe in debating issues when ad hominem attacks will suffice.
If you think L. Rush cares about you in any way, you’re mistaken – he’s in it for the money and the access to power.
“The problem with libs is that they set up these barriers that if you attack the messenger or issue they immediately label you a bigot or polictally(sic) incorrect….Rush keep right on exposes these trolls.”
Sorry, Jane, I think you’re projecting and generalizing. Have you actually listened to what Ann Coulter says? As for “these libs”, can you name a “lib” and cite a specific statement to support your assertion?
As for Rush, his proven gross factual errors (specific quotes, the dates these were made, and the truth are provided at FAIR.org) should make an intelligent person question his credibility. His copy plays well to some people who want simplistic answers, and I suppose scapegoating can be very seductive. Today it’s “the libs”, 50 years ago it was the commies, 70 years ago it was the Jews.
God, you people are (mostly) f-ing idiots. This post is about a contest give-away. Maybe you could comment on that? Whether you are a fan of Rush or not isn’t the point. But damn, just say his name and some of you people have a freaking heart attack.
From Spartacus: “If you think L. Rush cares about you in any way, you’re mistaken – he’s in it for the money and the access to power.”
Thank you, Spartacus. That’s the funny thing about it, that there are so many listeners out there who follow like sheep the word of a man who, even by his own admission, is on radio not out of any sense of altruism to the public good, but to make money off of polarizing the masses, riling the paranoid, and infuriating the opposition.
And before someone out there calls me a lefty commie socialist bastard or whatever for attacking Rush, let me say the same thing about left-wing polarizers as well.
If you’re a Rush listener, and listen to him to re-assess your point of view, or determine the opinions of the opposition, or whatever, but at the end of his program can still critically think and form your own opinions, then good for you– you have found some sort of value out of his program. If, however, you blindly follow his every word as gospel, then you might want to ask yourself whether you have the intelligence to decipher complex issues.
Not everything in the world is split between “lib” and “con”. The world’s problems and issues are far more complex than that. Those out there who rant “commie liberals make me sick” without any supportive reason demonstrate the IQ of a toaster. (And vice versa for “those nazi neo-con” attacks).
At the end of the day, Rush is there for one reason and one reason only. To make money– off of you listening to his advertisers. That’s it. He plans his day and his rants to illicit the greatest listener response. As a businessman, he is incredibly intelligent. As a human being (assuming he actually believes everything he says– though I’m sure a lot of his public persona is a strategic ploy), in my opinion he’s a sleazebag. But he sure gets the wingers in a tizzy and makes a lot of money doing so. Good for him for fleecing so many sheep.
You deserve a free iPhone for your balanced and clearly well-thought out elucidations, Hemorrhoid Rage.
Spartacus
You know when you use the term “neo con” you are speaking of moderate Democrats, don’t you?
There are many Republicans in the moderate camp also-far too many, and that is why there is no substance to our current Congress.
Middle of the road is not always the best place to be.
How can you be “moderate” on abortion? Death penalty? Gays in the military? The War on Terror? Capital gains tax? You are either for these, or against these.
Saying you are “ok” with abortion in the first trimester (as I do) means you are for it. Period. But I am totally against late term. Does that make me a moderate? No. I am a conservative who is wrong about abortion. There. It is that simple people.
Decide what you are for or against. All you folks calling people on the left or right “wingnuts” apparently don’t know what the fuck you think about anything. Probably the last person you heard on either side swayed you. Wow, what pride y’all must have “in the middle”. I have much more respect for a lefty that I disagree with than someone who has NO beliefs.
I hate liberal commies!!!!! Fucking Pussies!
TT,
Neo-conservatives are moderate Democrats? Of course, they are. Richard Perle is a moderate Democrat? John Bolton? Richard ‘Dick’ Cheney? Scooter Libby? Richard Armitage?
There have been neo-cons whoWERE moderate Democrats who, for reasons which defy logic, decided that the Straussian principles of ‘uniting’ (or controlling) a population by creating a ‘shared’ enemy were a way of achieving and maintaining power; originally, the bogeyman was communism but, following the collapse of the Soviet state (when communism simply went ‘through the looking glass’ and became the new Russia which uses natural resources instead of tanks to threaten those around it, whilst still sponsoring the murder of its own citizens and the theft of property), neo-conservativism needed a new enemy and – nine months into Bush’s first term – a bunch of Islamic extremists (who – like the US – believed that they were responsible fot the collapse of communism) duly obliged.
In that respect, neo-conservatives (who bring discredit to the traditions of the ‘real’ Republican Party) are no different to L. Rush Hubbard (who is arguably the court jester to the ‘intellectuals’ (!) of PNAC); they’re also in it for the power and the money and are selling the populace solutions based on fear and loathing focussed on a diffuse ‘enemy’ who can never be unequivocally defeated.
If you keep a population focussed on a perceived threat in that way, you can pretty much sell them anything which assuages their fear including the erosion of their civil liberties and the destruction of checks and balances in government all in the name of ‘national security’.
In that respect, neo-conservatism is no different from the Nazi’s manipulation of the German population or Mao’s Cultural Revolution; ethically and morally bankrupt, obsessed with maintaining power for its own sake and contemptuous of the real needs and concerns of the population.
Neo-conservatism, with it’s flexible “do as I say, not as I do” approach to using religion as a method of ‘channeling’ ideas to the population, has through this administration managed to spend the last 50 odd months doing next to nothing except fighting the specious “war on terror”.
Sure, we’ve had the arguments on gay marriage or stem-cell research – but, in terms of the core issues and challenges that face America (healthcare, education, the widening economic divide that threatens the social cohesion of the nation, etc.), what has this administration delivered?
If Rush is a druggie what does that make Al Gore’s son?
If Rush is a “cheerleader” for the Bush Administration, why did he oppose ‘No Child Left Behind’?
If Rush mock’s Michael J. Fox and gets lambasted, what does it make all of you who mock Rush? Or the mainstream media that looped Rush’s mocking movements so that it looked longer then it actually was?
If Rush wouldn’t be doing this, if not for ratings decline, why were Rush’s servers so jammed on day one from participants during the first mention of the iPhone contest?
What classified documents did Assistant to President Clinton for National Security Affairs, Sandy Berger steal and destroy from the National Archives before Clinton’s appearance before the 9/11 commission?
Are sheet wearing, cross burning bigots, republican as in David Duke (not in office), or democrat as in Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia (still in office with no rebuke from his voters or fellow democrats in congress)?
Did Valerie Plame commit purjury? see http://newsbusters.org/node/13016
“You do know that genocide and rape was happening in Bosnia?” – Sparticus… so tell me what was filling the mass graves that were found in Iraq before America’s war with Iraq?
Which cost more in dollars and ruined lives? Iraq or the Great Society War on Poverty?
“The war in Iraq has so far cost well over $400 billion and climbing: in other words, it’s already cost over $1300 for every man, woman and child in the country. Your average two adults/two children family has already paid $5200 for this war, which strikes me as being a lot of money” – Sparticus…, what is the cost of freedom? In total dollars spent? In military lives lost? In days of any conflict lasting? And will all the rest of America’s conflicts be benchmarked by them? (and if you don’t like us being in Iraq, substitute it with Afghanistan (who never attacked us), Pakistan (where it is believed UBL is hiding out) or Iran (where Iraq is just a proxy war and round two will come sooner or later).
To those who feel Bush, republicans and conservatives are similar to the Third Reich and Nazis, who was it that invented “Political Correctness”?
Will end with some humor (for those that have a sense of) –
Folks, there is, and it’s real close: it’s 120 trillion miles away, a new planet. Do you remember how excited they were when they reported this new planet? Why? Because it’s an opportunity to go to a pristine place and start all over with no oil wells and no oil, and no natural gas and no conservatives. Totally politically correct! It’s only 120 trillion miles away. It’s not even in our galaxy. It’s on the edge of another one. The way you get there? You head for the outer edges of our Solar System, and when you get to Your Anus, you turn left.
A few more wonderings…
To those that answered the following question, ‘What is the democrat’s plan on the war on terror?’, why do the leading democrat candidates running for the presidency not discuss this as opposed to bashing President Bush’s efforts?
This one goes to posters of all stripes that have issued posts in the last four pages…
Why can not one post their banter with a little more civility and a lot less name calling?
And yes, I know I mispelled ‘perjury’ in my earlier post…
FINALLY, and this is my last ‘wondering’…
Why am I posting all this at midnight when I should be sleeping!
Good-night all : )
With all do respect, TowerTone, but you can shove the whole sanctominious “you gotta be left or right” philosophy. I consider myself a moderate– there are parts of conservative philosophy I support (typically in fiscal governance), and there are parts of liberal philosophy I support (typically on social issues). Just because I don’t align myself with a particular philosophy (which, let’s face it, most people don’t understand anyway…. after all, when conservatism started, cons used to be the most strident environmentalists), doesn’t mean I don’t believe in anything.
In fact, if you want to know how strongly I believe in some things, tell me to my face that I don’t believe in anything– you’ll be surprised how quickly you end up with a mouth full of teeth.
Like I said… I hate liberal commies!!!!! Fucking Pussies!
How do I qualify saying that? Because I am a fucking pussy, too.