“Apple’s release of a public beta of Safari 3 makes practical the color-managed viewing of photos within a Windows web browser for the first time. In a workout of Safari 3 within Windows XP and Vista here, the new browser properly displayed pictures with embedded ICC profiles, just like Safari 3 (and earlier) does on the Mac,” Rob Galbraith reports for Digital Photography Insights.
Galbraith reports, “For that reason alone, Windows users may want to take the Safari 3 public beta for a spin, especially if you visit websites that publish pictures with profiles embedded.”
Full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Readers “Mike” and “BC” for the heads up.]
Yet another reason Apple will be “bruised and bloodied.”
On the other hand, maybe MS users will find it useful.
Who knows?
Problem with this is that when your monitor is using a different profile to the web developer then the images dont match up with HTML/CSS colours and it looks a mess. Only really useful for making photographs look good
Is this saying that IE and FF don’t utilize embedded color-management data? I find that hard to believe.
Safari is apparently the only browser on any platform that pays attention to the colour profiles, which is why photos uploaded to the web need to be converted to sRGB if you want viewers to see what you intend (most browsers assume sRGB). A lot of Windows flickr users will probably be checking Safari out for that reason.
“Is this saying that IE and FF don’t utilize embedded color-management data? I find that hard to believe.”
Believe what you like. The fact is they don’t.
I use photoshop to edit, and save in sRGB and I just opened the exact same picasa link of mine on both firefox and safari and I could barely see any difference whatsoever, and I purposely chose a red dominant image (along with others) because often I find if there is a difference it shows up really horribly in the reds.
So firefox might not have the embedded colour profiles, maybe I will try again later with an RGB file and see if there is a difference. Realistically most people don’t get colour spaces and other than the person who created the image they might not know if it is correct or not.
Before making it do all sorts of fancy stuff, how ’bout making it stop crashing on my Vista box everytime I switch windows. I really belive Apple is out of its league here messing around with Windows user interface it knows nothing about.
MW: trouble – LMAO perfect.
@JakeTheSnake
What part of BETA is it that you don’t understand.
I just wish would work… Safari on Windows can’t handle proxies. It crashes every time you enter your user name and password.
It cracks me up to hear these Windose users whine how their PCs crash constantly….
I use my Mac daily 10 hours for years and never crash, maybe once a year, if I run some whacky shareware.
get a clue… get a life… get a real computer man!
@ JakeTheSnake: I am working on XP Pro SP2. I have downloaded Safari including all the plug ins.
I don’t have the problems you seem to be experiencing. I have been to the website and experienced the change in the photographs that display how the photo was meant to be seen as photographed.
My understanding from the article is that this an Adobe photoshop phenomenon, in that the W3 does not display photos as intended because of the way it handles the colour (or non-colour for the technically astute) White. To overcome this, Safari embeds the W3 image inside the image so that what you see is how the photo was meant to be seen. (I think even I have confused myself with that explanation). No doubt someone else more savvy with this will provide a simpler explanation for us.
So the question I would ask you is have you done the same?
Is your Pc upto date with regards to RAM and AGP?
Are you running an Anti-virus, firewall, anti spyware, anti web phishing software?
Are you running Windows Firewall? that tends to block out everything including third party anti-virus software when the software seeks outgoing access.
From the numerous inaccurate, useless post above regarding how colour management works, I suggest people educate themselves on the technology before posting dribble.
Thanks for listening.
Did Apple make a mistake ? when in Safari click
“About Safari”
Copyright © 2003 – 2007 Apple Computer, Inc.,
All Rights Reserved.
It should say Apple Inc.
One more thing® …
As an AAPL shareholder, I’m happy to see The Steve grow market share, profitably. As a long time Mac head, I really can’t stand all these Winblows, iPod hugging, tourist hanging out on sites like MDN (not to mention the Apple Stores). I wish you XP/Longhorn/Asta La Vista losers would just mail Apple your money, and stay off the Mac boards. Isn’t it more fun fragging, aliens on your xBox in the the basement?
Rock on Steve!
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@ Jesus & JakeTheSnake
Windows is Windows, if it crashes then that is a Windows problem. If you have IE running & Safari running as well, the problem could be that your computer is unable to duplicate the resources both programs are demanding at the same time.
If Apple were unable to make its own program work with Windows, you would not have QuikTime which is the defacto standard, you would also not have itunes, you would not be able to use a firewire port for your digital camera and video camcorder and finally one more thing, you would not have the W3 as soon as you did considering it was developed on OSX 9!!!!! when OSX 9 was known as NEXTstep.
As for Jesus, When the majority of webmasters realise that Safari for
> I really belive Apple is out of its league here messing around with Windows user interface it knows nothing about.
Apple’s iTunes is the best free Windows program in the world. By the time the beta-testing is over, Safari will be the second best free Windows program in the world. The fact is, Apple writes better Windows programs than Microsoft.
Attn: Windows Users of Safari 3 Beta
Please understand a couple of things and be very clear about them.
1. Safari 3 is a BETA. It’s not the best it WILL be. Hence the update literally DAYS out of the gate to fix security concerns.
Expect more changes as it improves.
2. There are probably 3 excellent reasons for this move from Apple.
A. There ARE deals with search engines. Google isn’t integrated into Safari at no cost. Are you kidding? Apple is paid a fee and it likely amounts to near 100 million dollars. Even for a company the size of Apple…that’s nothing to sneeze at.
B. The iphone is BROWSER based…with ONE browser… Safari. It’s the platform for 3rd party apps. This all points to a distributed software, web based software future. Google has been pointing this direction for some time. This helps Windows users acclimate to the feature set in Safari.
C. Steve DOES want to win. He does that by creating the best hardware and software on an integrated basis that the company can. To gain market share he is concentrating on the consumer space and not business. Business is going to become more and more web based and the server software and hardware Apple has developed is truly first rate stuff. I know. I use it.
Be a little patient with Apple. They move at their own pace. You understand about patience I’m sure, having waited FIVE years for Vista.
OS X will set you free. Really.
Peace
As for Jesus, When the majority of webmasters realise that Safari for Windows is the only means by which they will be able to access iphone users, they will make their IP’s compatible with it.
If they don’t, they will loose traffic and much needed advertising revenue, not withstanding the ability to develope and sell widgets to iphone users.
That is why at the WWDC, developers were given free copies of Leopard including developers tools. Once those developers have familiarised themselves with Leopards tools, you will suddenly see alot of IP’s support Leopard.
Safari for Windows: A 2nd glass of ice water for people in Hell. Even for those who don’t want it or deserve it.
IT”S A BETA!
@Camel’s Milk Drinker: Your explanation isn’t just confusing, it’s totally incorrect. That is not at ALL how color management works, and white is, in fact, a color. Please don’t try to sound like you know what you’re talking about when you don’t. You just add to the misinformation mess that is the internet.
Andrew,
Right you are, but I will take ANY positive press about Safari for Winblows right now!
From the article:
“This web page is a good place to check whether Safari 3 public beta for Windows is colour-managing the display of photos on your machine. If colour management is working, the colour in the first two photos in the left column will shift noticeably when you hold your cursor over them, while the photo in the right column won’t change in appearance.”
Here is the link to the web page:
http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_page_profile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html#
@ AC, We all know that it is a fucking beta by now! and the beta is not going to be better than the final release so put a lid on it!!!
Ps Drink Camel’s Milk! You will release your stress through a stonking great big fart after drinking it!
@Biscut “Problem with this is that when your monitor is using a different profile to the web developer then the images dont match up with HTML/CSS colours and it looks a mess. Only really useful for making photographs look good”
Some how I don’t think that matters so much the way profiles work. The point of profiles is to translate from one space to another. Sure, you’ll get some shifting but if the web developer works in the correct color space it should be close, provided that the end users monitor is properly calibrated; unlikely unless its a pro. But at least it increases the odds.