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Jul 22, 08 - 08:19 am Comment from: Crazy Ed

Is Vista even optimized for use with standard hard drives?

Jul 22, 08 - 08:19 am Comment from: silverwarloc

@MDN:

You should have statement: Oh, the excrement!

That would have been more appropriate.

Jul 22, 08 - 08:19 am Comment from: jtc

this cant be a surprise to anyone..

Vista stinks, so the hardware manufacturer is going to stink up its hardware too?

Unbelievable! When will everyone learn.....

Jul 22, 08 - 08:23 am Comment from: shen

question, what exactly *is* Vista optimized for?

Jul 22, 08 - 08:38 am Comment from: dd

Eric Willard is a moron.
Billy Gates is a moron.
Steve Ballmer is a moron.
Windows (Vista) buyers are morons.

Sorry.

Vista is fully optimised.

Vista is fully and perfectly optimised for
cash flow.

Jul 22, 08 - 08:43 am Comment from: Jamie

Yeh, good question. What exactly is Vista optimized for??

Anyone? Zune Tang?

Jul 22, 08 - 08:43 am Comment from: HMCIV

Q: What exactly *is* Vista optimized for??
A: Read/Write HD DVDs?
A: Licensing?


P.S. - How does Linux do with SSD? Cause that might help out the nice folks at Toshiba.

Jul 22, 08 - 08:44 am Comment from: HMCIV

@ Incredulous

Looks like they are teaming. Just not the way you the consumer would expect.

Jul 22, 08 - 08:48 am Comment from: Ampar

But Windows 7, some time off in the future, will be perfect. It'll even be optimized for big ass, interactive furniture.

Jul 22, 08 - 08:50 am Comment from: Connor MacBook

Hopefully Apple will continue to get non-Vista-compensating SSDs.

Jul 22, 08 - 08:51 am Comment from: MrMcLargeHuge

What *is* Vista optimized for?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

How is this exactly going to affect me until SSDs come down further in price?

Jul 22, 08 - 08:58 am Comment from: Ampar

"What *is* Vista optimized for?"


Floppies.

@MDN "Do we all get to use these drives that will offer controllers that are designed around Vista's shortfalls?"

They are referring to the controller chips on the motherboard. The drives themselves won't be Vista optimised, because then they'd lock themselved out of the server market.

More to the point, does anyone know if Mac OS X is optimized for SSD drives?

And what exactly does it mean to "optimize for SSD drives"?!?

As far as I'm aware, all hard drives for notebooks present a SATA (or ATA-100) interface to the host CPU, so why should the operating system know or care whether the internal drive mechanism is magnetic platters or solid state?

I'm speculating that SanDisk is blowing a little smoke here, blaming Vista for SanDisk's tardiness or design choices. To test whether SanDisk is blowing smoke or is on to something real, it would be interesting to know whether other SSD manufacturers are facing the same issues with Vista, and if so, what they did to prevent or avoid the problem.

Jul 22, 08 - 09:20 am Comment from: shen

Ampar: if vista is optimized for floppies, and a little googling shows that vista installs can reach 8 gigs, and comes compressed on one dvd.......

isn't that about 3000+ floppies?

did MS ship a gold master floppy stack?

Sorta funny - this article (when I read it) was displaying a large ad for the MacBook Air!!!

SOMEONE has gotten that right, huh?

Jul 22, 08 - 09:34 am Comment from: MrScrith

@shen

Yes, there is a stack of gold master floppies for Vista, this is Micro Soft we are talking about here...

I'm not convinced yet that SanDisk has a real complaint, but if it does, how do you know that the MacBook Air with SSD doesn't suffer from the same performance problems that SanDisk is mentioning?

All these SSDs -- whether used with Vista or Mac OS X -- are first generation products, and as with any 1.0 product, I would expect them to have performance, stability, manufacturing, and pricing issues.

"I'm speculating that SanDisk is blowing a little smoke here, blaming Vista for SanDisk's tardiness or design choices. To test whether SanDisk is blowing smoke or is on to something real, it would be interesting to know whether other SSD manufacturers are facing the same issues with Vista, and if so, what they did to prevent or avoid the problem."

Exactly. This is just bullshit because SanDisk's SSD products are inferior to their competition. You don't hear Samsung SSDs having any "Vista" issues. Hell, Macs are using the same damn Intel SATA drive controllers as everyone else.

Recent SSD drive performance vs. platter drive performance numbers under Vista x64: http://techreport.com/articles.x/15079/8

Scapegoat, anyone?

Apple MacBook Air and Toshiba Portege R500

The Lenvo Thinkpad beats the MacBook Air soundly, weighs the same and it has a DVD drive.

I just can imagine the horror of attempting to install Windows on a MacBook Air.

Jul 22, 08 - 09:56 am Comment from: CandTsmac

Mac OS X, or OS X is running iPod Touches and iPhones right now using SSD's. I would say we do not have this to worry about.

Jul 22, 08 - 10:01 am Comment from: smyhre

@Raving MacHead
Actually installing Windows on the MacBook Air is not that bad really. Its just a little more complicated as in plug in usb cd rom but other than that it wasn't bad.

Jul 22, 08 - 10:16 am Comment from: shen

"The Lenvo Thinkpad beats the MacBook Air soundly"

can you say "opinion" i knew you could......

if you go looking at spec sheets, turns out the thinkpad weighs more, is thicker, and the low end costs $1000 more than the entry MBA.

....so it does beat it soundly in price.

and, the final smack down, does the thinkpad run OS X? then it is just a pathetic paper weight.

It is not hard for Apple to stay ahead of the competition when the competition is so stupid. I tried to install a webcam on Vista the other day and could not get it to work because of the Vista Firewall. It worked instantly when I plugged the same camera into my Mac. You see my point?

Vista is one of those little gifts to Apple that just keeps giving... month after month... year after year!

Billy Gates should be proud...his former team has single handily turned a market over to their competitor, i.e Apple!

Jul 22, 08 - 11:05 am Comment from: HMCIV

@shen

Don't beat up on paperweights shen. Thank kind of rudeness is not accepted here.

Jul 22, 08 - 11:08 am Comment from: Ampar

"did MS ship a gold master floppy stack?"

Yes, and his name is Bill.

It's important that developers pickup Microsoft's slack. Perpetuating poor coding is essential to the relationship between an enabler and a company with a codependency problem.

"his former team has single handily turned a market over to their competitor"

Yes, and Apple just took advantage of it and raced up to 3% share worldwide leaving Microsoft with only about 92%! It's a bloodbath!

Excellent take, MDN. I agree. Now that Macs can run Windows natively, buying anything else is like buying half a computer.

Did I just read someone stating that the Lenovo Thinkpad soundly beats the MacBook Air? WTF?? In what sense could this be true? Cheap plastic construction? Loose keys? Ugly, soviet-issue design? Windows Vista suckage? Yeah, the Lenovo Thinkpad is tops in those departments for sure.

In other news, Kia Motor Company "soundly beats" Mercedes.

Jul 22, 08 - 12:37 pm Comment from: 84 Mac Guy

I'm shocked. Just shocked!

Jul 22, 08 - 12:46 pm Comment from: Harvey

Vista isn't optimized.

I told a Windows expert that Vista was slow. He smiled and said it was written for faster hardware, so as the hardware got faster, the improvement would increase. I said, that's exactly what we would see with badly written code. So how can we tell the difference?

His smile evaporated.

Vista was designed for Microsoft's partners, not its customers. The idea was to motivate people to buy new computers to get Vista's wondrous new features, causing an increase in sales that benefited Microsoft's partners. The hardware would deliver the performance, so optimization wasn't terribly necessary.

It didn't work.

The best thing that ever happened to Apple was the Microsoft Partner program.

Jul 22, 08 - 01:25 pm Comment from: Cubert

So Sandisk is spending all kinds of money because Shitsa sucks AND will redesign their drives (probably making them slower in the process) in an attempt to work better with Shitsa?

Great strategy, Dandisk!

Jul 22, 08 - 01:26 pm Comment from: Cubert

@hoovercar,
You're giving the PC guys too much credit. More like 10% in my book.

DailyTech calls SanDisk on their scapegoating...

http://www.dailytech.com/SanDisk+CEO+Vista+is+Not+a+Friend+to+Our+SSDs/article12458.htm

It's not that our product sucks, it's that Vista r t3h d3pH1L!

Whatever...

Jul 22, 08 - 05:07 pm Comment from: MacLovin

7 Deadly Sins of Windows:

1.Lust-Allows lots of porn malwares
2.Gluttony-consumes too much hardware resources
3.Greed-is full of DRM to appease greedy RIAA and MPAA
4.SLoth-is just barely good enouhg for undemanding users
5.Wrath-Punishes users by forcing them to use windows
6.Envy-Wants what Mac OS X has
7.Pride-thinks itself as pretty and “innovative”

Thanks to ../. for this.

Jul 22, 08 - 05:22 pm Comment from: Tommyr

The ONLY thing Vista is optimized for is SUCKING.

Jul 22, 08 - 07:48 pm Comment from: NCIceman

Vista sucks, everyone knows it, yet instead of fixing the issues, or even trying to fix them, the rest of the world is expected to rotate around it?? Wake up!

Jul 23, 08 - 10:09 am Comment from: Bluefin

Vista's optimized for 5 1/4 floppies... not those newfangled 3 1/2 thingies...