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gah, my nearest apple store is over 40 miles away, in chicago. i might go anyway =)

At this time, we do not have confirmation from Apple that this will be the case with the Leopard launch.

Of course, but let me tell you this, why would Apple release 10.5 at so late in the day and on a Friday?

It's to limit how long the 10% discount will be in effect and to take advantage of newly cashed pay checks.

Believe me, the 10% will be there. Apple is hyping this version big time. This is to offset the "wait and see if stable" approach most buisneses take.

Only the most faithful will wait in line on Friday with a newly cashed check instead of going drinking with thier buddies or girlfriend instead.

So you got plenty of time to decide what you need for a new Mac for the holidays, just avoid the glossy machines, you'll thank me later on in life.

That is so nice to local resellers who don't even make 10% profit on Apple product...

Select Canadian dealers will also have the "special edition Leopard T-shirt" for our Leopard launch events as well as their own goodies.

It's not all about the dealer-killing Apple Stores.

That sucks, I preordered mine when it was announced yesterday... That should be worth a t-shirt too :-(

I have been seeing the push for external hard drives for Time Machine on Apple's site... Stupid question... Are you not able to use a second internal HD?

The reason I ask is it mentions nothing about internal HDs. I am assuming it is because it would not work for Laptop, Mac Mini, and iMac users... Only Mac Pro users.

@Tom:

I am 99% sure that you can use an internal HD, it just obviously can't be the system HD.

For the Tiger launch, Apple stores passed out scratch off cards to the first few hundred or so customers. Most were for 10% off, but a few were for software, iPods and laptops. Not everyone got 10% off. I had to use a friends card to get 10% off (we combined our purchase).

@Steve B.

"BBQ, BBQ, BBQ, BBQ, DEVELOPERS"

Apple UK are offering Leopard at £85, including tax and delivery. That's about $173.40. Ouch. Still, it won't do the kids any harm to go without food for a couple of days.

How does that compare with the total price you will pay in the US?

For reference, this price is about the same as you would pay for the Vista Home Basic upgrade over here. How do those two products compare on price in the States? (I already know how they compare on quality!)

Tom,

Time Machine can use any volume other than the boot volume for backups. Backups can also be sent to a separate host if you like.

-jcr

Oops, I meant to say it can use any *writable* volume that has enough free space for backups.

-jcr

@Real Apple Insider -
With all due respect, not everyone has a problem with the glossy screens. I'm typing this on my 24inch iMac which I love using. Speaking as a Mac Consultant, I would say that the glossy screen is a question of personal preference. Some people like it, some people love it, and some people hate it. I spend at least a handful of hours working on it each day with no problems whatsoever. Please stop giving advice as though you know everything about everybody's personal preference.

Well, hopefully the selected Canadian dealers will be aggressive marketing partners who invest in advertising and actually earn the business. I still haven't seen an ad/flyer/banner ad from our local dealers and Apple has four of the hottest properties in electronics.

My closest real Apple store is probably Spokane or Seattle.

Any Apple dealer looking for sympathy at a time like this, needs to be disciplined like a child. If your waiting for Apple to show you how to push a gas pedal (accelerate your business) they probably shouldn't give you $10 t-shirts for the grand opening of a superior OS. News Flash.. order some yourself!

Your in electronics. Thin margins. Is this news for you?

It's a shame that ChrissyOne/Steve Ballmer thread got deleted, it really had promise.

Censoring Jerks.

I too am writing this from a 24 inch glossy. I at first was also skeptical about the glossy but I couldn't say no to a free one from work. Since I've gotten it, I absolutely love it. Reflections are not an issue when it is turned on and running. You only see em when it is turned off. Color is so much more vibrant and impresses the heck out of anyone that sees it.

I agree with you man, now that "fatal" comment a few up doesn't really make any sense. But it's funny as hell if you know what it in reference to.

What is this site coming to?

Well, at least I found out the longest screen name allowed (50 characters).

To return to my previous whining, what will you actually pay for Leopard in the US? And does anybody in the UK know how to get it cheaper?

(Amazon UK don't seem to be selling it.)

-sigh- Everyone's always trying to get a deal. Humans aren't ready for technology.

"Speaking as a Mac Consultant, I would say that the glossy screen is a question of personal preference"


Sure, one gives you headaches and eyestrain from reflections in the screen and the matte one doesn't.

But Apple is slowely discontinuing the matte option, so leaving users with no preference. No choice what so ever.

With a limited amount of hardware running Mac OS X, I guess Mac users in geeral will eventually have more vision related problems than PC users which have a larger choice of hardware vendors,

The effects of reflections upon your eyesight are not immediatly noticeable, but accumulate over time.

And that's speaking as a Apple Consultant from Aprils Fool Day, January 3, 1977.

But don't believe me, believe the doctors

http://www.allaboutvision.com/cvs/irritated.htm#glare

Again don't believe me, believe the polls. Ars Tech, MacPolls and MacSlash. Google for matte vs glossy.

Why would I wear a t-shirt that basically says "Hi. I'm a gay snob who's too afraid to use a real computer for the real world"? Losers.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Awesome! I always wanted an AppleT-Shirt.

"I too am writing this from a 24 inch glossy. I at first was also skeptical about the glossy but I couldn't say no to a free one from work."

Sure with a glossy desktop machine the enviroment can be changed to reduce the reflections and the eyestrain it causes.

Like paining the walls dark, closing the drapes on the windows and living in a dark depressing hole

But try that with a laptop where one moves it around, place to place, outside and inside. In schools with different lighting, in the workplace where you can't change the enviroment to eliminate the reflections and eyestrain/headaches.

The problem with glossy screens, is that people will tend to use them less because it bothers them.

I use my matte screen MacBook Pro 10x more than my MacBook glossy I had.

I feel sorry for folks who can't afford a pleasant to the eye matte screen.

For those who love glossy and don't think it bothers them, I dare them to use a glossy for 8 hours straight, then switch to using a matte screen.

The softness of the matte screen is immediatly obvious.

@ Zune Tang

"Why would I wear a t-shirt that basically says "Hi. I'm a gay snob who's too afraid to use a real computer for the real world"?"

We don't know why you would want to wear a T-shirt like that Zune. You'll have to decide that on your own.

I can't be seen wearing a T-shirt outing me as a Gay Snob at my son's wedding rehearsal dinner! Oh, wait ... that's where I'll be at 6 PM on the 26th.
Never mind.

Party Joe, tell us how you really feel!

My wife and I own three computers: an iBook (ours, matte), a dual G5 (mine, matte) and an Al iMac (hers, glossy). She wants to know why I'm always poaching on her iMac ... it's that big, beautiful SCREEN, of course. And she doesn't even have the better graphics card!

I'm pretty sure you are regurgitating something you read somewhere and have little recent personal experience to draw on. I remember when CRTs were glossy, that was a different world entirely.

Dave M

I'm obviously in agreement with Dave thoughts.

My iMac sits in a well lit area, with lots of windows and light colored walls. Glare is just not an issue. Video and pictures look fantastic. I don't understand the complaints at all.

And having been computer shopping recently for the office, it appears the whole industry is going glossy. It's not just Apple.

I want a Leopard t-shirt! That would be worth the trip to KOP mall alone, even with the crappy traffic on the "Surekill" expressway!

You know it's not a worthwhile discussion until Zune Tang shows up

@Jackie O

If it's that much of an issue, buy some cheap sticky backed plastic coating and stick it on. Here in the UK we have some called Fablon, jeeez, do we always have to hark on about the screen again. Buy it, or don't buy it, just get over it.

I was trying to get excited about my iMac G5 speeding up when I upgrade to Leopard. Hmm, should probably about now get some more RAM too, the prices have dropped really nicely now for a 2Gb stick.

Hmm. Tricky call.

Do I stay in LA, where I can "conveniently" get to an Apple Store but so can 3 million other people? Or do I head down to quieter Orange County where I stand a better chance of being in the first 500 but have to leave work early?

Decisions, decisions...

"...an iBook (ours, matte), a dual G5 (mine, matte) and an Al iMac (hers, glossy). She wants to know why I'm always poaching on her iMac ... it's that big, beautiful SCREEN..."

Well we all know a iBook screen is tiny (and perhaps dated now so it looks old), you failed to mention the monitor on your G5 (I have a 30" myself and wouldn't trade it for a glossy no matter what). So since you said your wife's Al iMac was "big" we must assume your G5's screen is small and perhaps some third party crap.

So sure a nice big glossy Al iMac would look better than what you currently have.

I'm sure he's not arguing that the Al iMac screen looks like crap, it looks great. But that his argument is that glossy has it's penalties in longterm use in the wrong enviroment (which one always don't have control over). Problems that don't show up right away, but later on with continued use. Namely eyestrain, headaches and Computer Vision Syndrome.

"I'm pretty sure you are regurgitating something you read somewhere and have little recent personal experience to draw on. I remember when CRTs were glossy, that was a different world entirely."

Well I, like you. Have been using monitors from day one. Green ones too.

Matte screens was a dramatic and welcomed improvement. Going back to glossy, anti-glare screens and computer glasses is so idiotic it's not even funny.

"And having been computer shopping recently for the office, it appears the whole industry is going glossy. It's not just Apple."

Well if this is true, Apple could reap mega profits providing matte screens to over 80% of us who prefer it through this obviously stupid and cheap ass PC like move by the rest of the industry.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061018-8022.html

What is bad is Mac OS X only runs on Apple hardware.

If Apple goes all glossy, then there is no legal, secure and easy way to run Mac OS X on any other hardware. Especially from a PC vendor that realizes the rest of the industry are idiots and continues to produce matte screens most everyone wants.

And yes I have tried the new glossy MacBooks and Al iMacs, not for a few seconds, but for hours and days. My answer is no fucking way in hell will I buy a glossy screen computer.

It's just dumb and 86% of people out there agree with me.

I'm the biggest Apple fan, but there is no way to sugar coat this.

I feel sorry for the guys that spend hours copy and pasting the same blather about glossy screens into every FREAKING thread on this site these days.

They make anti-glare screens. Someone will make one for the iMac. Someone will make a film you can statically supply. If I gave one tenth of one percent that these losers did about it, I'd make and market it myself just to shut them up.

I've had two MacBook Pro's to use - one glossy, one matte. Like them both, bought the glossy one with my own money because I like it better. Took it all over Germany and had not one time, inside or out, that I said, damn this glossy screen is a pain.

GET OVER YOURSELVES.

MDN Magic Word nature - my glossy screen was fine out in the beautiful world of nature.

THIS IS TO MATT ABOUT HIS COMMENT, "GAH, MY NEAREST APPLE STORE IS 40 MILES AWAY." JUST TO LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE IT PRETTY GOOD BUD! MY NEAREST STORE IS OVER 225 MILES AWAY